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  66. # [02:48] <TabAtkins> annevk: By the by, this Bikeshed bug is harder than I thought. The code in question *never* worked, and I have no idea how it passed this whole time; clearly I changed something vaguely related that previously let it hide.
  67. # [02:48] <TabAtkins> Trying to rewrite it all *properly* now.
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  71. # [02:50] <Domenic> TabAtkins: aww, I was hoping it was my opaque elements bug that gave you the epiphany
  72. # [02:51] <TabAtkins> No, that one was a super-easy "same code in two places, only updated one" bug.
  73. # [02:51] <TabAtkins> I just agonized on how to merge the two bits some.
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  97. # [04:11] <gsnedders> Ms2ger: (on the assumption you're still reading logs, hi!) Servo #6564 is surely going to be too expensive to add telemetry for in Gecko?
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  183. # [08:35] <SimonSapin> gsnedders: would it be significant to only measure in, say, 1% of calls?
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  274. # [11:14] <annevk> TabAtkins: aww shit
  275. # [11:14] <annevk> TabAtkins: I guess I might have to try this -f flag then
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  277. # [11:16] <TabAtkins> annevk: I'll work on it more tomorrow, but I also have a talk to deliver that'll eat up a bunch of my day.
  278. # [11:17] <annevk> TabAtkins: if it helps, notifications.bs hits this too
  279. # [11:17] <annevk> TabAtkins: seems to be something about optional arguments
  280. # [11:17] <TabAtkins> But yeah, I force generate all the time when Bikeshed is baking and I don't have time to fix it.
  281. # [11:17] <TabAtkins> Balking
  282. # [11:17] <TabAtkins> Yeah, some code about arguments is fucked.
  283. # [11:18] <annevk> At some point when we're somewhat closer time-wise I should also work on some warning stuff with you I guess
  284. # [11:18] <annevk> Gotta go too now for a bit
  285. # [11:18] <TabAtkins> Sure
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  330. # [13:23] <Ms2ger> philipj, so Chromium is writing wpt tests for ChildNode#before and friends, right?
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  332. # [13:25] <philipj> Ms2ger: yes, in https://codereview.chromium.org/1085843002/
  333. # [13:26] <Ms2ger> \o/
  334. # [13:26] <Ms2ger> And submitting them upstream?
  335. # [13:26] <philipj> Ms2ger: If someone creates a wpt review, will you review them?
  336. # [13:26] <Ms2ger> Yes
  337. # [13:27] <philipj> I've just asked the patch author to join this channel, will see if he wants to do it or not
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  339. # [13:27] <Ms2ger> Hi paritosh-in_
  340. # [13:27] <paritosh-in_> Hi
  341. # [13:30] <philipj> paritosh-in_: would you like to create a pull request for https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests with your tests?
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  343. # [13:31] <paritosh-in_> philipj: Yeah I'll create it
  344. # [13:32] <philipj> Yay, and Ms2ger has promised to review :)
  345. # [13:33] <Ms2ger> I'll even review quickly, because I want them in Servo :)
  346. # [13:33] <philipj> Ms2ger: Do you have a system in Mozilla for streamlining the process? It's a bit tedious to create local tests, commit, upstream, wait for them to trickle down, then delete the local tests
  347. # [13:34] <Ms2ger> Yeah, we can just commit straight into the local copy, and they get landed upstream automatically on the next sync
  348. # [13:34] <philipj> Ms2ger: Oh, so you automatically copy local changes into the upstream?
  349. # [13:34] <Ms2ger> Yep
  350. # [13:34] <philipj> That's pretty neat, and novel
  351. # [13:36] <Ms2ger> It's amazing :)
  352. # [13:37] <jgraham> \o/
  353. # [13:40] <Ms2ger> All thanks to jgraham, of course
  354. # [13:42] <paritosh-in_> Ms2ger & philpj: When I'll create pull request, Is it btter to separate js file from .html as done for remove tests, or will leave as it is in https://codereview.chromium.org/1085843002/
  355. # [13:42] <paritosh-in_> ?
  356. # [13:44] <Ms2ger> I would have separated them myself, but I won't complain about it
  357. # [13:44] <Ms2ger> One thing is that it seems nicer to pass child/innerHTML to the function as arguments, rather than define them based on the nodeName
  358. # [13:46] <smaug____> Ms2ger: I'm still a tad worried about getting proper reviews for wpt tests
  359. # [13:46] <smaug____> but I guess we'll see how this all goes
  360. # [13:46] <smaug____> probably just fine
  361. # [13:47] * smaug____ should be more optimistic
  362. # [13:47] <Ms2ger> Me too, but I'm more worried about getting no tests :)
  363. # [13:48] <Ms2ger> People are a lot more willing to point out something is wrong on the internet than writing tests themselves :)
  364. # [13:48] <paritosh-in_> Ms2ger: ok I'll take this
  365. # [13:48] <Ms2ger> Thank you!
  366. # [13:49] <jgraham> The theory is that if lots of people would run the tests we will either notice each other's mistakes eventually, or bake the mistake into the platform in a consistent way, in which case we have to change the spec.
  367. # [13:50] <jgraham> This does depend on more than just gecko + servo running the tests ofc, but it seems like Blink is making some progress again
  368. # [13:51] <smaug____> yeah, if Gecko and Blink run the tests all the time, this should be rather safe setup
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  394. # [15:25] <gsnedders> SimonSapin: I thought you guys mostly didn't sample, but yeah, that owuld likely suffice, though possibly still a surprising performance penalty, tbh
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  399. # [15:41] <philipj> paritosh-in_: did you send a pull request already? I'd like to follow the review even if Ms2ger does the work
  400. # [15:44] <paritosh-in_> philipj: no, till now I have'nt sent it.
  401. # [15:46] <philipj> paritosh-in_: what do you mean, weren't you going to create it?
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  404. # [15:51] <paritosh-in_> philipj: yeah, I'll create it
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  409. # [16:04] <Ms2ger> paritosh-in_, ping me when you do?
  410. # [16:04] <annevk> philipj: so technically if it already passed Blink review, that might be enough so it doesn't also need wpt review
  411. # [16:04] <annevk> philipj: that's at least what we do for Gecko wpt stuff I think
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  413. # [16:07] <philipj> annevk: yeah, linking to the original review would be a good start at least
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  415. # [16:07] <philipj> in this case, I did the original review, so someone competent should take a second look :P
  416. # [16:07] <Ms2ger> philipj, I'd like to see it first :)
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  418. # [16:08] <annevk> Nobody knows why Opera pays philipj, not even philipj.
  419. # [16:09] <philipj> annevk: I get payed to point out misplaced commas and whitespace, just like you :)
  420. # [16:09] <Ms2ger> Glitch in the payroll, probably
  421. # [16:09] <philipj> I won't survive the AI revolution
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  426. # [16:32] <Ms2ger> Does "frozen" mean anything special in https://html.spec.whatwg.org/multipage/semantics.html#frozen-base-url ?
  427. # [16:38] <darobin> it means you have to let it go
  428. # [16:39] <Ms2ger> Sounds like someone in this room has a kid
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  431. # [16:50] <annevk> Ms2ger: I don't think so
  432. # [16:50] <annevk> Ms2ger: that probably needs to be reworded once we define base URL as a concept of Document
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  440. # [17:09] <annevk> MikeSmith: can I get editbugs for w3c/webappsec on GitHub?
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  482. # [18:22] <MikeSmith> botie, inform annevk don.
  483. # [18:22] <botie> will do
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  490. # [18:44] <botie> annevk, at 2015-07-07 16:22 UTC, MikeSmith said: don.
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  586. # [21:21] <tdhsmith> Hi all! I've got a minor DOM spec question -
  587. # [21:21] <tdhsmith> Is there a particular reason EventTargets don't have a getEventListeners method? Are event listeners consider a (somewhat) private list?
  588. # [21:22] <tdhsmith> I see that Firebug and Chrome dev tools have a method for it...
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  595. # [21:31] <Ms2ger> tdhsmith, "you shouldn't need to"? :)
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  600. # [21:34] <jgraham> tdhsmith: Being able to inspect that kind of thing is the enemy of modularity
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  662. # [23:06] <terinjokes> i've forgotten again, what's the difference between prefetch (from resource hints) and preload?
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  664. # [23:11] <tdhsmith> Well my use case is that I'm building a library to collect statistics on how different sites use events.
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  666. # [23:11] <tdhsmith> I'll admit it's quite a nonstandard use case, but right now the preferred approach is to override addEventListener before the other libraries run, which feels terribly unclean :/
  667. # [23:12] <tdhsmith> I'll go read the past discussions about EventListenerList when I get a chance. I can definitely respect that it might not be something for the spec to address.
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  680. # [23:28] <TabAtkins> tdhsmith: That is indeed the right way to do this. As Ms2ger and jgraham said, you generally don't need to, and most attempts at doing so are really terrible ideas that are good to prevent. Making it a bit harder by requiring you to install an interceptor is a good thing.
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