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  73. # [04:04] <MikeSmith> does anybody know what the proper mechanism is for reporting bugs in https://developers.google.com content
  74. # [04:05] <MikeSmith> https://developers.google.com/structured-data/site-name has an example that suggests using <link rel="canonical" href="https://example.com/" itemprop="url"> which violates the "A link element must have either a rel attribute or an itemprop attribute, but not both." requirement in the HTML spec https://html.spec.whatwg.org/multipage/semantics.html#the-link-element
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  88. # [04:37] <JonathanNeal> Is this on track for spec? https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2014Jul/0315.html
  89. # [04:37] <JonathanNeal> translate, rotate, and scale properties.
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  92. # [04:46] <astearns> JonathanNeal: yes, we're planning on adding that to the next level of CSS Transforms
  93. # [04:47] <astearns> http://drafts.csswg.org/css-transforms-2/
  94. # [04:48] <JonathanNeal> astearns: That’s what I wanted. I’m working on a PostCSS plugin for it.
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  96. # [04:49] <JonathanNeal> Here is the work I have started https://github.com/jonathantneal/postcss-transform-shortcut
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  101. # [05:01] <JonathanNeal> astearns: so `translate: 10px 10px;` is the same as `transform: translate3d(10px, 10px, 0px)` ?
  102. # [05:02] <JonathanNeal> I’m basing this off “The translate property accepts 1-3 values, each specifying a translation against one axis, in the order X, Y, then Z. Unspecified translations default to 0px.” I presume this means all three axis are automatically declared, defaulting to `0px`.
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  106. # [05:15] <astearns> JonathanNeal: that sounds correct to me, but I'd defer to more transform-oriented people
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  197. # [11:09] <annevk> philipj: if you find new issues, could you please file new GitHub issues?
  198. # [11:09] <annevk> philipj: having to deal with Bugzilla less is starting to feel like a plus
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  270. # [15:47] <mikec> What functionality is replacing DocumentType.entities these days? i.e. where is the list of entities recognized by a parser "stored"? Is it just the fixed list at http://dev.w3.org/html5/html-author/charref ?
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  275. # [16:04] <gsnedders> mikec: in HTML, there's been a fixed list for years (okay, it occasionally get ammended, but there's no point in exposing the list anyway)
  276. # [16:04] <gsnedders> mikec: in XML, no UA to my knowledge loads external entities, so there's no that much use to the API either
  277. # [16:05] <MikeSmith> mikec: yeah the list of character references that HTML parsers must support is in the HTML spec
  278. # [16:08] <mikec> MikeSmith: thanks
  279. # [16:10] <MikeSmith> gsnedders: did you see https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/issues/1999
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  281. # [16:12] <MikeSmith> apparently the use of data: URIs in wpt tests is blocking somewhat the Blink team's efforts to integrate the wpt test suite into their CI
  282. # [16:13] <MikeSmith> and the html5lib tests are one place where they're used a lot
  283. # [16:13] <gsnedders> MikeSmith: that's jgraham's doing
  284. # [16:13] <MikeSmith> ok
  285. # [16:14] <gsnedders> MikeSmith: pretty sure I did the internal review of tham when he wrote them, but that was Opera 11 days.
  286. # [16:14] <MikeSmith> well I been wondering if the data URI instances in the wpt html5lib tests could be replaced with <img srcdoc>
  287. # [16:14] <MikeSmith> yeah I guess it's been a while
  288. # [16:14] <gsnedders> from memory there were data URI versions and document.open/write/close versions?
  289. # [16:14] <MikeSmith> oh
  290. # [16:14] <gsnedders> the latter should work at least
  291. # [16:15] <gsnedders> also I should find out what gate I'm meant to be going to
  292. # [16:15] <MikeSmith> well jgraham says at https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/issues/1999#issuecomment-121080384 "I welcome PRs to change these tests to not use data: URIs (but in at least some cases I expect that to be difficult e.g. the html5lib tests are based around loading a document generated in content using the regular HTML parser; I'm not sure how else to do that)"
  293. # [16:15] <gsnedders> idk!
  294. # [16:15] <gsnedders> I certainly remember seeing some conversion of them to use document.open/write/close
  295. # [16:16] <gsnedders> But yeah, I only maintain the actual tests in our weird test format. I've not handled any browser runner in years.
  296. # [16:16] <gsnedders> Anyhow, yes, gate hunting.
  297. # [16:16] <gsnedders> Things to do, places to fly, etc.
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  300. # [16:18] <MikeSmith> hai
  301. # [16:18] <MikeSmith> have fun
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  304. # [16:22] <gsnedders> "Please wait", apparently. Oh well.
  305. # [16:23] <gsnedders> (Gate due to be announced in -7 minutes.)
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  308. # [16:30] <MikeSmith> if you're at Heathrow the thing they do there of not announcing gates ahead of time and making you wait in the human-corral area is real innovation in making the most hostile user experience possible
  309. # [16:31] <MikeSmith> "Just when you thought the airport experience couldn't be anyway worse, we're still busy figuring out new ways!"
  310. # [16:31] <gsnedders> This is T3. So this is even worse.
  311. # [16:32] <gsnedders> For some reason I doubt we're leaving in 13 minutes.
  312. # [16:32] <MikeSmith> it's like a microcosm of all the worst aspects of British culture
  313. # [16:33] <MikeSmith> enjoy the ambience in the mean time
  314. # [16:33] <MikeSmith> soak in the full experience
  315. # [16:34] <gsnedders> yay, a gate!
  316. # [16:34] * gsnedders scurries off
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  327. # [16:40] <gsnedders> still another twenty minutes…
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  344. # [18:22] <jgraham> s
  345. # [18:23] <jgraham> <iframe srcdoc> might be acceptable if that's same origin
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  379. # [20:33] <wanderview> Ms2ger: if you have time, could you make me an account on wiki.whatwg.org with the username wanderview? I want to collaborate on the SW related pages... thanks!
  380. # [20:40] <gsnedders> jgraham: it should be the same codepath in the parser, no? or is it that different because of the re-entrant stuff?
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  399. # [21:53] <jgraham> gsnedders: Certainly I have managed to find bugs using document.write that the other approach didn't. That's why they're seperate tests.
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  402. # [21:59] <smaug____> writing tests for document.write? including also document.open()/close() behavior?
  403. # [21:59] * smaug____ assumes tons of differences between browser engines
  404. # [22:02] <gsnedders> smaug____: I'm talking about just using open/write/close triplets to test the parser, really without any of the re-entrant fun
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  408. # [22:15] <smaug____> oh, I wasn't even thinking re-entrancy
  409. # [22:15] <smaug____> but all the handling with session history and global scope and what not, when document.open/write is used after load event dispatch
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  411. # [22:42] <jgraham> Yeah, that stuff is an interop wasteland
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  423. # [23:04] <gsnedders> oh, that sort of stuff
  424. # [23:04] <gsnedders> well yeah, the html5lib test conversions only really test what the parser does, not that nightmare
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