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  350. # [13:18] <howdoi> howdy?
  351. # [13:18] <howdoi> I made a node module for TC39 members list -> http://git.io/tc39-members seeking help to verify the list and added the twitter handles as well, thanks.
  352. # [13:18] <howdoi>
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  355. # [13:19] <howdoi> /cc @Domenic @arv
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  386. # [14:42] <Domenic> howdoi: TC39 members are companies. There is no fixed list of who those companies send to represent them at each meeting.
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  388. # [14:43] <Domenic> howdoi: your list looks several years out of date in terms of who attends meetings these days.
  389. # [14:43] <Domenic> check the meeting notes if that's what you're interested in.
  390. # [14:45] <howdoi> Domenic: yup, I'm aware that it's outdated, so seeking help :) Didn't find Jafar Husain from Netfilx in the list either, any other way then checking the notes, I went through the github org and there are only 8 members there.
  391. # [14:45] <Domenic> that's what i'm saying, there is no list
  392. # [14:45] <Domenic> there is just a list of companies
  393. # [14:46] <Domenic> if your repo is called tc39-members it should be a list of companies
  394. # [14:46] <Domenic> if it is called tc39-attendees-of-last-meeting it can be people
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  399. # [14:49] <howdoi> Domenic: oh, hmm, so people are invited? I saw an invite that was at Redmond Microsoft
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  402. # [14:53] <howdoi> Domenic: I shall divide the json to attendess and companies, makes sense?
  403. # [14:53] <Ms2ger> So why are you creating this list?
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  405. # [14:58] <howdoi> Data!
  406. # [14:58] <howdoi> Raw Data!
  407. # [14:58] <Ms2ger> So why are you creating this list?
  408. # [15:01] <annevk> Domenic: can't just be companies though
  409. # [15:01] <annevk> Domenic: say, Brendan Eich
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  411. # [15:04] <howdoi> ^_^
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  419. # [15:18] <annevk> MikeSmith: should have some kind of style guide for specs
  420. # [15:18] <annevk> MikeSmith: I think the W3C has one, but it's not a wiki page
  421. # [15:18] <annevk> MikeSmith: so kinda blows
  422. # [15:21] <MikeSmith> annevk: yeahwe need one. So I'll work on making one that doesn't blow.
  423. # [15:21] <Domenic> howdoi: I don't really care what you do with this list, since it's useless and doesn't reflect reality
  424. # [15:22] <MikeSmith> annevk: should we make a github repo for it, or you think a wiki is better?
  425. # [15:22] <annevk> MikeSmith: I guess that's up to you, whatever you like better
  426. # [15:22] <MikeSmith> ok
  427. # [15:23] <MikeSmith> I don't like wikis so the answer to that is easy
  428. # [15:23] <annevk> MikeSmith: heh, I suggest "style" as a shortname
  429. # [15:23] <annevk> but I shouldn't be bikeshedding about this
  430. # [15:24] <MikeSmith> will create a "style" repo today
  431. # [15:24] <MikeSmith> shorter short names are better
  432. # [15:27] <howdoi> Domenic: heh heh, thanks :)
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  434. # [15:34] <izhak> Hi, guys! I have a very complex bad written code, a mess of html, javascript and svg (d3). When svg gets redrawn a page gets scrolled. How can I debug this, I just can't figure out how to learn why it gets scrolled.
  435. # [15:35] <howdoi> izhak: you must ask at #javascript
  436. # [15:37] <izhak> howdoi: oh, right. forgot about it :) whatwg is great anyways)
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  438. # [15:38] <howdoi> :}
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  442. # [15:50] <gsnedders> annevk, howdoi: http://www.ecma-international.org/memento/members.htm
  443. # [15:51] <gsnedders> in principle all ECMA members are companies or NPOs
  444. # [15:51] <gsnedders> Quite in what capacity Brendan is there… well… :)
  445. # [15:51] <Domenic> He was voted as like permanent guest or something
  446. # [15:51] <annevk> gsnedders: I guess TC39 gets to make special cases since Ecma (not ECMA) exists mostly due to it
  447. # [15:52] <annevk> Ecma, but ECMAScript, never gets old
  448. # [15:52] <howdoi> gsnedders: nice!
  449. # [15:52] <annevk> continues to exist*
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  451. # [15:53] <Domenic> https://github.com/rwaldron/tc39-notes/blob/6d91c21077ea8b0eb0e9eb7e262572c23374f8c7/es6/2014-04/apr-9.md#rftg-item
  452. # [15:53] <howdoi> gsnedders: https://github.com/hemanth/tc39-members/issues/1 will be taken care of.
  453. # [15:54] <annevk> Which I think is somewhat stupid. I don't really see a good reason why'd we pay 10k a year to yet another SDO when there's already quite a few to pick from
  454. # [15:54] <howdoi> Domenic: yeah, went through the notes, as well as https://github.com/tc39
  455. # [15:55] <Ms2ger> How about we move JS to Khronos
  456. # [15:55] <MikeSmith> I second that motion
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  460. # [15:58] <MikeSmith> annevk: speaking of fun, I find https://www.w3.org/2001/06/manual/ and see that it's under ye olde W3C Document License so if I start from that I'll get to deal with the Good Times of needing to talk with others about re-licensing or whatever
  461. # [15:59] <MikeSmith> might be easier to just start from scratch
  462. # [15:59] <Ms2ger> Might get better quality too
  463. # [15:59] <MikeSmith> heh
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  465. # [16:00] <MikeSmith> well if I do that then I'll probably get "Y U NO USE WE ALREADY MADE ONE??!!"
  466. # [16:00] <MikeSmith> fun world to work in where trying to do even the simplest things are fraught
  467. # [16:00] <MikeSmith> and I do mean fraught
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  469. # [16:01] <annevk> Nothing quite compares to public benefit organizations locking everything away from the public. Though a public benefit organizations whose agenda is set by corporations is bound to be somewhat fraud.
  470. # [16:02] <annevk> I guess fraught is a better term.
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  472. # [16:05] <MikeSmith> annevk: I get your message. I hear you saying, "Let's go full fraught [fraud] with this and author the source in MS Word and publish it as PDF and ask jorendorff convert it to HTML."
  473. # [16:05] <MikeSmith> and I like your thinking
  474. # [16:06] <gsnedders> Ms2ger: and then call it KhronosScript?
  475. # [16:06] <gsnedders> Or maybe KHRONOScript?
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  477. # [16:06] <MikeSmith> gsnedders: solid gold
  478. # [16:06] <gsnedders> annevk: bah, until 1994 is was ECMA!
  479. # [16:06] * gsnedders ignores the fact he was two then
  480. # [16:06] <MikeSmith> magic brainstorming happening here
  481. # [16:06] <jgraham> Oh. It took me like 10 years to realise that ISO is a pun
  482. # [16:07] <jgraham> I guess there's just nothing funny about ISO that suggests someone had a sense of humor
  483. # [16:07] <Ms2ger> It is?
  484. # [16:07] <MikeSmith> jgraham: dramatic irony
  485. # [16:07] <annevk> slowclaps for MikeSmith & gsnedders
  486. # [16:07] <jgraham> Well I assume it comes from the Greek, as in isobar
  487. # [16:08] * annevk had to look at https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/isobar for that
  488. # [16:10] <jgraham> https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Category:English_words_prefixed_with_iso-
  489. # [16:12] <annevk> Maybe KHRONOSScript can introduce Object.iso() to finally settle object comparison once and for all
  490. # [16:12] <MikeSmith> haha
  491. # [16:13] <gsnedders> But then we'll need an Object.khronos() when the iso decide to (mostly) republish it
  492. # [16:14] <MikeSmith> nice
  493. # [16:14] <MikeSmith> this channel achieves
  494. # [16:14] <MikeSmith> intransitively
  495. # [16:15] <gsnedders> and the WHATWG rewrite will just get rid of all of them because none of them are interoperable or relied on by web content
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  592. # [16:48] <annevk> philipj: yeah
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  594. # [16:48] <annevk> philipj: all specs
  595. # [16:48] <annevk> philipj: but I don't really want to move Bugzilla all at once since that creates way too much noise and is not really beneficial, so instead I just encourage creating new issues in GitHub
  596. # [16:49] <philipj> annevk: yep, mass moves aren't much fun
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  613. # [17:28] <gsnedders> jgraham: https://pypi.python.org/pypi/pytest-expect/0.9 now exists, which should in future make it easy to have test expectations for html5lib
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  621. # [17:46] <gsnedders> jgraham: https://pypi.python.org/pypi/pytest-expect/0.9 now exists, which should in future make it easy to have test expectations for html5lib
  622. # [17:46] <Ms2ger> You said that
  623. # [17:47] <gsnedders> yeah, something weird with irssi and ssh connections dying
  624. # [17:47] <gsnedders> :(
  625. # [17:47] <gsnedders> miketaylr: I'd totally missed you moving to Mozilla! :)
  626. # [17:47] <Ms2ger> He did?
  627. # [17:48] <miketaylr> ha
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  629. # [17:48] <miketaylr> it's only been ~2 years
  630. # [17:51] <jgraham> Change your name to mike-wait-what-he-works-for-Mozilla-now-why-did-no-one-tell-me-taylr
  631. # [17:52] <miketaylr> mike-woulda-been-fired-from-opera-eventually-probably-taylr
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  641. # [18:05] <espadrine> wait, opera still exists?
  642. # [18:05] <espadrine> </joke>
  643. # [18:07] <gsnedders> how-many-web-evanglists-are-left-anyway
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  645. # [18:08] <annevk> don't let JakeA hear you say evengalist
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  650. # [18:10] <mounir> tobie: yt?
  651. # [18:10] <tobie> yes
  652. # [18:10] <tobie> (surprisingly given the heat)
  653. # [18:10] <mounir> tobie: you know about respec, don't you?
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  655. # [18:11] <tobie> mounir: that sounds like a trick question
  656. # [18:11] <mounir> tobie: I'm wondering how I can linkify a constructor for an interface
  657. # [18:11] <tobie> mounir: to which I should probably answer: "no."
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  659. # [18:11] <mounir> tobie: you must know :)
  660. # [18:11] <tobie> mmm.
  661. # [18:13] <tobie> let me check
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  664. # [18:15] <Ms2ger> Use bikeshed
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  666. # [18:15] <mounir> Ms2ger: thanks for the help
  667. # [18:16] <mounir> :)
  668. # [18:16] <Ms2ger> I'm very helpful :)
  669. # [18:16] <Ms2ger> Just not in the short term
  670. # [18:16] <mounir> Ms2ger: that spec just moved away from anolis to respec
  671. # [18:17] <mounir> I don't think moving to bikeshed is an option :)
  672. # [18:17] <Ms2ger> Why in the world would you do that
  673. # [18:17] <tobie> mounir: doc is here: https://www.w3.org/respec/examples/webidl-contiguous.html#unsupported
  674. # [18:17] <tobie> https://www.w3.org/respec/examples/webidl-contiguous.html
  675. # [18:18] <mounir> tobie: I can't find how to link to the constructor
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  677. # [18:19] <tobie> mounir: I'm checking for you.
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  679. # [18:19] <mounir> I tried usind "Interface" and "Constructor"
  680. # [18:20] <mounir> tobie: don't waste your time on that, I'm sure I can live without the linkification
  681. # [18:23] <tobie> mounir: ping jyasskin
  682. # [18:24] <annevk> you moved from anolis to respec o_O
  683. # [18:24] <mounir> annevk: not me, that spec
  684. # [18:24] <jyasskin> tobie: I'll be available in ~10 min
  685. # [18:25] <annevk> that spec is pretty silly
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  687. # [18:25] <mounir> you don't even know which spec it is yet :D
  688. # [18:25] <annevk> not sure that matters :-P
  689. # [18:26] <tobie> jyasskin: cool. mounir is asking about linking constructors to their definition with Respec.
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  691. # [18:32] <jyasskin> mounir: That's not done yet: https://github.com/w3c/respec/issues/394
  692. # [18:33] <mounir> jyasskin: thanks :)
  693. # [18:33] <jyasskin> Patches welcome? ;-)
  694. # [18:33] <jyasskin> Sorry :)
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  717. # [19:03] <Domenic> annevk: https://github.com/whatwg/url/issues/49 seems kind of lame; there should be tests for host/hostname too
  718. # [19:05] <annevk> yeah, it's not clear they need to be part of the parsing tests though
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  720. # [19:11] <annevk> MikeSmith: when I load https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?component=Fullscreen&product=WebAppsWG&;resolution=--- I get "There was an error sending mail from 'bugzilla' to 'arun@mozilla.com': no sender"
  721. # [19:11] <annevk> MikeSmith: with a traceback too...
  722. # [19:11] <Domenic> annevk: seems convenient if they were; there's columns and everything for the components :P
  723. # [19:12] <annevk> Domenic: yeah, could be patched pretty trivially if someone was up to it
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  725. # [19:12] <Domenic> Sebmaster ^
  726. # [19:12] <Domenic> :P
  727. # [19:13] <Domenic> #serviceworker is not the conversational utopia i was promised on twitter. just saying.
  728. # [19:13] <Sebmaster> :<
  729. # [19:13] <MikeSmith> annevk: looking now
  730. # [19:13] <MikeSmith> annevk: yeah same here
  731. # [19:14] <Sebmaster> I have a much bigger problem with the testability of tr46
  732. # [19:14] <Sebmaster> :/
  733. # [19:14] <Domenic> right that -_-
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  738. # [19:18] <MikeSmith> annevk: pinged glob on #qa-bugzilla
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  746. # [19:31] <annevk> Domenic: heh
  747. # [19:31] <annevk> Sebmaster: what's the problem?
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  749. # [19:31] <annevk> Sebmaster: we can talk to Mark if we need something changed
  750. # [19:32] <annevk> Sebmaster: feel free to file TR46 issues against whatwg/url
  751. # [19:32] <annevk> Sebmaster: so we can track them somewhat more visibly
  752. # [19:32] <Sebmaster> annevk: the available test data is weird
  753. # [19:33] <Sebmaster> I have no idea if it's idna2003, idna2008 or tr46 data...
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  757. # [19:34] <annevk> hmm
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  759. # [19:34] <annevk> could also file a bug against web-platform-tests to get those tests integrated into the URL tests somehow
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  762. # [19:35] <Sebmaster> That'd be sweet
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  764. # [19:35] <Sebmaster> Like... I pass a lot of them, but some just reference stuff which is only checked in idna2008 as far as I know
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  773. # [19:50] <annevk> Do it and copy me I guess, hopefully I'll get to it one day
  774. # [19:53] <MikeSmith> annevk: bugzilla problem seems to have become worse
  775. # [19:53] <MikeSmith> I've alerted the systems team
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  779. # [19:57] <TabAtkins> mounir: Which spec is it? I can be induced to do Bikeshed conversions as long as the spec isn't too long.
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  781. # [19:58] <mounir> TabAtkins: the editors just picked respec
  782. # [19:58] <mounir> I doubt they will be willing to switch to bikeshed
  783. # [19:58] <TabAtkins> mounir: You didn't answer my question. ^_^
  784. # [19:59] <mounir> TabAtkins: presentation api
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  786. # [19:59] <TabAtkins> kk, thx
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  792. # [20:02] <webzen> hi
  793. # [20:02] <webzen> es6 module question please http://laravel.io/bin/321N2
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  819. # [20:44] <webzen> es6 help please ? http://laravel.io/bin/d9L1w
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  825. # [20:56] <caitp> i don't understand the question
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