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  1. # Session Start: Tue Jul 21 00:00:00 2015
  2. # Session Ident: #whatwg
  3. # [00:01] <gsnedders> oh blargh, test generation order in html5lib in non-deterministic, and because expected values depend on node id which for generators is just iteration number… ;_;
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  8. # [00:17] <roc> hmm
  9. # [00:17] <roc> Chrome really doesn't support 'background-image' on <img>?
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  19. # [00:41] <Yay295> Are JS events like window.onload considered part of the HTML standard?
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  26. # [00:54] <annevk> Yay295: yes
  27. # [00:54] <annevk> Yay295: though onload is an event handler, load is the event
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  30. # [01:03] <Yay295> annevk: thanks
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  77. # [03:38] <MikeSmith> w3c bugzilla has been updated to v5.0
  78. # [03:38] <MikeSmith> if anybody notices problems with it please lemme know
  79. # [03:39] <MikeSmith> biggest new feature appears to be ability to tag comments https://www.bugzilla.org/releases/5.0/release-notes.html#feat_comment_tags
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  81. # [03:42] <MikeSmith> plus the "never email me about this bug" option
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  94. # [04:36] <jakesyl> Hello, I'm working on a website and would like to make a login like this: https://accounts.google.com/ServiceLogin?hl=en&continue=https://www.google.com/#identifier (with the box) any idea how to do this?
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  97. # [04:47] <Yay295> jakesyl: Do you mean you want to use a Google log-in, or do you want to log-in with your own accounts, but make it look like Google's?
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  104. # [04:51] <jakesyl> make it look like googles
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  106. # [04:52] <Yay295> What do you need help with? It's pretty much just a white box.
  107. # [04:53] <jakesyl> here's what I have so far: https://gist.github.com/jakesyl/7c81dc31640068068775 I'm working on this right now: https://jsfiddle.net/f780xcs3/ but nothings showing up
  108. # [04:53] <jakesyl> The canvas face thing
  109. # [04:55] <Yay295> Why are you using a canvas?
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  111. # [04:56] <jakesyl> to make that face thing
  112. # [04:57] <Yay295> You don't need a canvas for that.
  113. # [04:57] <jakesyl> hmm, how do i do it then
  114. # [04:57] <Yay295> Try doing what Google did. "border-radius: 50%;"
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  116. # [04:59] <jakesyl> for the....
  117. # [05:00] <jakesyl> oh cool!
  118. # [05:01] <jakesyl> so how do I make one overlay the other
  119. # [05:02] <Yay295> HTML is read top to bottom. Things declared after other things get put on top.
  120. # [05:03] <Yay295> You could also use the CSS 'z-index' property.
  121. # [05:05] <jakesyl> wait so on googles page what is this for: <canvas id="canvas" class="circle" width="96" height="96"></canvas>
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  123. # [05:07] <Yay295> I don't see a canvas element when I visit that page. Google must be sending us slightly different pages for some reason.
  124. # [05:09] <jakesyl> hmm
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  140. # [06:27] <MikeSmith> astearns: FYI https://twitter.com/sideshowbarker/status/623347810457358336
  141. # [06:27] <MikeSmith> astearns: I realize this isn't your department at all but any guidance or suggestions for who to talk with would be appreciated.
  142. # [06:28] <astearns> MikeSmith: I have a couple DW contacts, I'll see who I can send your way
  143. # [06:28] <MikeSmith> astearns: thanks, much appreciated
  144. # [06:29] <MikeSmith> astearns: Dunno if you know this feature but apparently Dreamweaver (CS6 at least; I don't user Dreamweaver and don't know about versions) has some feature where it will send a document to the (legacy) W3C Validator and some UI for displaying the results
  145. # [06:30] <astearns> ah, I didn't know. I've never been a DW user :)
  146. # [06:30] <MikeSmith> heh
  147. # [06:31] <MikeSmith> well what happened is, since last week, basically I'm taking all requests for HTML5 documents sent to the legacy validator and auto-redirecting them to the Nu HTML Checker https://validator.w3.org/nu/
  148. # [06:32] <MikeSmith> if DW is expecting the results in some format that's different from what I'm sending back now, I can try to have the Nu checker send it in that expected format
  149. # [06:32] <astearns> or we could update to the new address and format
  150. # [06:33] <MikeSmith> yeah I would prefer that
  151. # [06:34] <astearns> the 'creative cloud' aspect is supposed to make it easy to update things like this, but I expect there will be a legacy tail where we'd like the old format :)
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  153. # [06:37] <MikeSmith> yeah
  154. # [06:37] <MikeSmith> I don't like breaking things that people depend on
  155. # [06:38] <MikeSmith> but on the other hand sometimes you can't know what will break until you break it
  156. # [06:45] <astearns> MikeSmith: I've blasted everyone I know on the DW team with your contact info and summary of the issue above
  157. # [06:46] <MikeSmith> astearns: coolーthanks much
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  168. # [07:21] <jakesyl> is this a common error: http://imgur.com/G8THmEG and how do i fix it?
  169. # [07:37] <Domenic> Anyone have the email where Boris and annevk work out the custom elements callbacks attached/detached thing?
  170. # [07:37] <Domenic> Found it https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2015AprJun/0517.html
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  219. # [10:19] <howdoi_> gsnedders: Fixed it, so it lists out only the companies for now https://github.com/hemanth/tc39-members
  220. # [10:19] <howdoi_> thanks.
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  233. # [11:10] <Ms2ger> bring back to life:
  234. # [11:10] <Ms2ger> XForms Working Group
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  238. # [11:20] <MikeSmith> Ms2ger: yeah I encourage y'all to comment on that please
  239. # [11:20] <MikeSmith> as in, say No
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  242. # [11:21] <MikeSmith> there was an XForms WG in plh's domain for years that was doing nothing and he tried to shut it down for a long time and finally succeeded
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  244. # [11:22] <Ms2ger> I would suggest that, but it'll happen anyway, and most likely people will start wasting dbaron's time trying to get him to change his vote
  245. # [11:22] <MikeSmith> ok
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  247. # [11:23] <Ms2ger> I have basically zero confidence in feedback like that being paid attention to
  248. # [11:23] <MikeSmith> oh it's paid attention to
  249. # [11:23] <MikeSmith> especially when I amplify it
  250. # [11:24] <MikeSmith> but if no AC reps speak up I have nothing to amplify
  251. # [11:25] <MikeSmith> I already stalled those charters from going out to the AC to begin with because I insisted that none of those groups be rechartered as Member-only
  252. # [11:25] <jgraham> Ms2ger: Oh, you mean outside people?
  253. # [11:25] <MikeSmith> originally at least
  254. # [11:25] <jgraham> MikeSmith: What is this, 1998?
  255. # [11:25] <MikeSmith> yeah, seriously
  256. # [11:25] <Ms2ger> jgraham, XML people
  257. # [11:26] <MikeSmith> at least make I do think it's worth making the comment "none of this should be going into
  258. # [11:27] <MikeSmith> * "none of this work should be getting done under any assumption that it will get implemented in browsers"
  259. # [11:27] <jgraham> I'm struggling to imagine anyone who works on Gecko arguing with "we have no intention of implementing XForms, and feel it's a distraction from the real and urgent needs of the web"
  260. # [11:27] <MikeSmith> which kinda should make anybody then ask why it's being done at the W3C at all, and that would be a very good question
  261. # [11:27] <Ms2ger> Yeah, dbaron already said that
  262. # [11:28] <jgraham> Ms2ger: Pointer?
  263. # [11:28] <Ms2ger> MikeSmith, last I checked, there was an oil industry group at w3c, so I doubt that says much :)
  264. # [11:28] <Ms2ger> "(My inclination is at minimum to explicitly abstain, with comments
  265. # [11:28] <Ms2ger> that they shouldn't expect browser implementation.)"
  266. # [11:28] <Ms2ger> On m.d.platform
  267. # [11:29] <jgraham> Oh, I ignored that because it said "XML Group activity", it seems
  268. # [11:31] <MikeSmith> these groups are basically just a kind of pollution at this point
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  270. # [11:32] <MikeSmith> I wish more AC reps would say stuff like that rather than just not commenting at all or abstaining
  271. # [11:32] <smaug____> what is the reason to try to bring XForms back to life?
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  273. # [11:33] <MikeSmith> smaug____: beacuse there are some diehards that want to keep working on it
  274. # [11:33] <MikeSmith> I think it's fine if they do, but that's what we have Community Groups for
  275. # [11:33] <smaug____> Pemberton + insurance companies ?
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  277. # [11:33] <Ms2ger> Why not ECMA?
  278. # [11:33] <MikeSmith> I would love to gift the XForms stuff to ECMA
  279. # [11:33] <MikeSmith> or Oasis or somewhere
  280. # [11:34] <Ms2ger> How about xml core? :)
  281. # [11:34] <MikeSmith> zcorpan still gets some productive stuff done in xml core or somewhere
  282. # [11:34] <MikeSmith> but I don't know if he plans to keep doing that
  283. # [11:34] <Ms2ger> Really?
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  285. # [11:35] <MikeSmith> he worked on the spec for the XML stylesheet processing instruction at least
  286. # [11:36] <Ms2ger> Yeah, but that was years ago, and they made him cut out half the spec, no?
  287. # [11:36] <smaug____> MikeSmith: does having a WG use more W3C's resources than a CG?
  288. # [11:37] <jgraham> smaug____: Seems like it must since they get f2f meetings including TPAC and so on
  289. # [11:37] <jgraham> and a contact?
  290. # [11:37] <Ms2ger> The proposed charters are requesting 85% fte altogether
  291. # [11:38] <jgraham> I guess if you're going to argue it like that though; it's possible that there are people that only join W3C to participate in XForms (I don't know if that's true)
  292. # [11:40] <jgraham> So I am going to suggest the problem is one of focus; the W3C should dedicate it's resources to leading the web to its full potential, and not work on things that are unrelated to that
  293. # [11:40] <jgraham> s/'//
  294. # [11:40] <Ms2ger> "The Working Group may, if needed, update XML Events 2 if needed"
  295. # [11:41] <jgraham> Ms2ger: Best to hedge your bets
  296. # [11:41] <Ms2ger> "the primary risk factor will be external attention and increased adoption leading to a longer review cycle than expected."
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  298. # [11:43] <Ms2ger> The Working Group has current plans to:
  299. # [11:43] <Ms2ger> Publish a sixth edition of XML 1.0 as an Edited Recommendation, to include the changes for the LEIRI specification, at such time as IRI-bis is final.
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  301. # [11:48] <smaug____> hmm, XML Events implementation was IIRC my first larger contribution to Gecko :p (I then removed it couple of years later)
  302. # [11:51] <smaug____> "couple" == 8
  303. # [11:51] <MikeSmith> smaug____: having a WG definitely consumes more of W3C resources than having a CG
  304. # [11:52] <MikeSmith> in theory if all of our staff were capable of moving into work in other areas, then shutting down work in non-priority WGs would free up staff to help with WGs that actually matter
  305. # [11:53] <MikeSmith> Ms2ger: "to include the changes for the LEIRI specification, at such time as IRI-bis is final" pretty much says it all
  306. # [11:54] <MikeSmith> writing their own parody there
  307. # [11:55] <Ms2ger> This is almost as bad as Obama implementing an article from the Onion
  308. # [11:58] <MikeSmith> it's not quite as bad as the "Golden Key for Governments to Unlock Any Encryption" WG charter we'll sending out for AC review soon
  309. # [12:00] <Ms2ger> What's next, the "solve the halting problem" CG?
  310. # [12:03] <MikeSmith> that's the spirit
  311. # [12:03] <MikeSmith> optimism
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  354. # [14:35] <gsnedders> jgraham: https://github.com/html5lib/html5lib-python/pull/198 would be nice to land sooner rather than later, FWIW
  355. # [14:36] <gsnedders> jgraham: as it allows us to keep up-to-date with tests without having unexpected failures
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  357. # [14:37] <gsnedders> except it looks increasingly like there's more needed to get it to work, bah
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  363. # [14:52] <jgraham> gsnedders: No critic review?
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  366. # [15:07] <gsnedders> jgraham: no, doesn't appear to have picked it up
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  368. # [15:11] <gsnedders> (FWIW, the remaining Travis failures are bugs in pytest-expect)
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  370. # [15:23] <gsnedders> Basically need some way to serialise a set of a mixture of bytes and unicode, across both Py2 and Py3
  371. # [15:25] <gsnedders> (pickle on Py2 doesn't support the more recent protocols which sanely cope)
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  387. # [16:28] <webzen> Should my imports also end up in document ready ? http://laravel.io/bin/9v6rM
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