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  132. # [07:18] <annevk> igrigorik: GitHub was not interested in fixing the redirect issue because HTTPS support is not supported
  133. # [07:18] <annevk> igrigorik: I pointed out it clearly works, just not the redirects, no reply yet...
  134. # [07:22] <annevk> igrigorik: you might be right about CSP, I guess once the processing model is clear that should be easy enough to evaluate
  135. # [07:23] <annevk> igrigorik: I'm still worried that you can download something using img-src and if the cache doesn't store that you can then use it for script-src, but who knows
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  138. # [07:35] <MikeSmith> annevk: did you take a look at https://github.com/zaach/jsonlint
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  141. # [07:36] <annevk> MikeSmith: briefly
  142. # [07:36] <annevk> MikeSmith: did you listen to http://mozaic.fm/post/108439721723/14-whatwg?
  143. # [07:36] <MikeSmith> eh
  144. # [07:36] <MikeSmith> what is this
  145. # [07:36] <annevk> MikeSmith: I don't have npm I think
  146. # [07:36] <MikeSmith> oh it's Yakura-san, and Hiro
  147. # [07:37] <MikeSmith> annevk: well you should have npm...
  148. # [07:37] <MikeSmith> this seems like a good use case for setting it up
  149. # [07:38] <annevk> I really dislike software with tons of dependencies that infects all kinds of directories and I can never be sure whether it's gone from the OS or how it actually works
  150. # [07:38] <annevk> But I guess...
  151. # [07:39] <MikeSmith> yeah sadly that sorta describes npm pretty well
  152. # [07:39] <MikeSmith> but if you have to work with python you probably have had to use pip or whatever
  153. # [07:39] <MikeSmith> anyway
  154. # [07:40] <MikeSmith> wow this podcast is pretty interesting, even just from looking at the agenda, and listening to the first few minutes
  155. # [07:40] <annevk> MikeSmith: yes, I have the same problem with Python :-)
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  234. # [11:48] <annevk> Yay, down to two open issues for https://encoding.spec.whatwg.org/
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  239. # [11:48] <annevk> And neither is something I can address
  240. # [11:50] <MikeSmith> "Filing this issue so hopefully one day a browser can experiment and figure out if this is doable."
  241. # [11:50] <MikeSmith> kind like putting a message in a bottle and throwing it into the ocean
  242. # [11:52] <annevk> hah
  243. # [11:52] <annevk> So hsivonen expressed interest in doing it at some point, that's why it's not completely dead
  244. # [11:52] <annevk> But it wasn't worth keeping the original bug open for that and therefore keep having the "legacy open bugs" link at the top of the Standard
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  247. # [11:55] <MikeSmith> what blocks the other bug?
  248. # [11:55] <MikeSmith> needs further implementor feedback?
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  253. # [12:09] <annevk> MikeSmith: yeah, need to figure out if it's actually feasible
  254. # [12:09] <annevk> I'm pretty happy to have resolved all bugs around encoders/decoders though
  255. # [12:09] <annevk> Was less work than expected
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  272. # [13:17] <annevk> JakeA: how is progress on promise.abort() going?
  273. # [13:18] <JakeA> annevk: halted :( been given tight deadlines for other things, and I think Domenic is busy too
  274. # [13:18] <JakeA> Domenic: you got any spare time coming up?
  275. # [13:18] <annevk> If he does, perhaps IDL can finally get some love
  276. # [13:22] <annevk> JakeA: do you know balfanz from https://github.com/whatwg/fetch/issues/30?
  277. # [13:22] <annevk> JakeA: I'd like to help them out, but communication seems to be going rather poorly
  278. # [13:24] <JakeA> annevk: I don't know them. Not familiar with token binding at all, but will try to go through that doc
  279. # [13:31] <annevk> JakeA: don't worry about it if you have deadlines, this has been going on for a while now
  280. # [13:32] <JakeA> Maybe in a couple of weeks I'll feel more in control and wonder what I was panicking about. That's usually how it goes.
  281. # [13:34] <annevk> wanderview: where did the fetch() tests go from Chrome?
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  297. # [14:32] <annevk> MikeSmith: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_activity.cgi?id=27502 last activity looks suspect
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  310. # [15:20] <wanderview> annevk: we have not imported them yet https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1186106
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  314. # [15:28] <Huvet> can I ask questions about html5lib here?
  315. # [15:29] <Huvet> (python implementation)
  316. # [15:29] <Ms2ger> Sure
  317. # [15:30] <Huvet> I would like to write a small script that parses a html snippet, removes all style and script tags, and then serializes it out as a string with HTML again. This is how far I've come: http://dpaste.com/3CD5V55
  318. # [15:31] <Huvet> but when serializing I get the error: AttributeError: 'TreeWalker' object has no attribute 'getroot'"
  319. # [15:31] <Ms2ger> Ah, the mess of python tree apis :/
  320. # [15:32] <Huvet> yeah, if anyone has better ideas of how to get this done I'm all ears
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  322. # [15:33] <Ms2ger> I wish
  323. # [15:34] <Huvet> the question becomes: how do i serialize a lxml tree?
  324. # [15:35] <Ms2ger> I wish I could say something useful, but I always have similar issues
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  326. # [15:37] <MikeSmith> annevk: Thanks, disabled that bugzilla account
  327. # [15:38] <Huvet> I did it! http://dpaste.com/0PN6E5F
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  356. # [16:51] <wanderview> annevk: is there any way for the body of an opaqueredirect to be actually used? its not exposed to script and it seems the UA won't look at it
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  365. # [17:18] <Domenic> JakeA: no real spare time, but I've been trying to figure out Q4 goals and wondering if cancelable promises should be one of them...
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  376. # [17:51] <annevk> wanderview: nope
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  379. # [18:04] <igrigorik> annevk: re, Github.. wow, really? That's not like them. I might have to resort to public shaming.
  380. # [18:06] <annevk> igrigorik: I got another follow up
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  382. # [18:06] <annevk> igrigorik: the problem is their CDN
  383. # [18:07] <annevk> igrigorik: which they have said before, so basically HTTPS is only partially supported...
  384. # [18:07] <igrigorik> when in doubt, always blame the CDN! Fastly? We can bug them too :)
  385. # [18:07] <annevk> igrigorik: but yeah, shaming might work, at some point they have to start offering HSTS et al
  386. # [18:07] <annevk> igrigorik: they didn't mention which CDN, could be
  387. # [18:08] <igrigorik> github.io maps to github.map.fastly.net, so it is Fastly. did they say what the issue actually is?
  388. # [18:09] <JakeA> Domenic: might be an idea, my end of year is looking messy :(
  389. # [18:09] <annevk> igrigorik: just that they're not in control
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  391. # [18:09] <annevk> igrigorik: could shame Fastly asking when they'll finally properly support github.io
  392. # [18:10] <igrigorik> who are you talking to at Github? Any chance you can cc me and I can loop in the fastly crew?
  393. # [18:10] <annevk> was an exchange with someone from support
  394. # [18:10] <igrigorik> hmm, ok, I'll kick off a separate thread then
  395. # [18:11] <annevk> I forwarded you an email
  396. # [18:11] <igrigorik> cool, thanks.
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  411. # [18:41] <terinjokes> anyone know whom i should talk to at w3 about upgrading the OpenSSL version used for their Feed Validation Service?
  412. # [18:42] <Ms2ger> systeam@?
  413. # [18:43] <annevk> and MikeSmith most likely
  414. # [18:43] <terinjokes> people have been reporting the bug to the list since at least last October
  415. # [18:43] <annevk> there's also #sysreq on irc.w3.org
  416. # [18:44] <ccardona-work> Good morning and happy friday WHATWG crew 😎✌🏽
  417. # [18:44] <terinjokes> ccardona-work: morning
  418. # [18:44] <terinjokes> annevk: thanks, i'll try there
  419. # [18:45] <annevk> ccardona-work: good evening!
  420. # [18:45] <ccardona-work> annevk: :) Did I at least get the Friday bit correct?
  421. # [18:45] <annevk> ccardona-work: yes!
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  423. # [18:45] <ccardona-work> score
  424. # [18:46] <Ms2ger> Not in Tokyo ;)
  425. # [18:46] <annevk> Yeah, seems MikeSmith is ahead of us
  426. # [18:46] <ccardona-work> :)
  427. # [18:46] <annevk> and hopefully asleep
  428. # [18:46] <ccardona-work> MikeSmith: is always ahead of us :)
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  431. # [18:46] <igrigorik> annevk: based on our chat yesterday: https://rawgit.com/w3c/preload/processing/index.html#processing - see 'obtain' section.. wdyt?
  432. # [18:48] <annevk> igrigorik: seems to be heading in the right direction
  433. # [18:48] <igrigorik> there are other details to work out there, but first want to resolve the as -> type mapping..
  434. # [18:50] <igrigorik> as written, <link rel=preload as=image href=thing.jpg> would be initialized with Request.type=image and will be subject to image-src.
  435. # [18:51] <annevk> igrigorik: so... say I have CSP img-src: example.com elsewhere.com; script-src: elsewhere.com
  436. # [18:51] <annevk> igrigorik: <link rel=preload as=image href=example.com>
  437. # [18:51] <annevk> example.com redirects to elsewhere.com
  438. # [18:51] <annevk> I then do <script src=elsewhere.com>, does it get the preloaded resource?
  439. # [18:52] <igrigorik> annevk: no, it shouldn't.. when you request it via <script> the request.type won't match, since that was set to image.
  440. # [18:53] <annevk> igrigorik: so you store the type in the preload cache?
  441. # [18:54] <igrigorik> annevk: yeah, we'll need that to get the plumbing right.. afaik, SW caches api does that already?
  442. # [18:55] <annevk> the Cache API stores the Request, but it doesn't use everything when matching
  443. # [18:55] <annevk> it won't use type for instance
  444. # [18:56] <igrigorik> I see, then yeah we might need to sort out that plumbing and include that check. As I noted later in that doc the 'preload/fetch cache' is a bit of a magical thing in the browsers today.. we need to figure out how to spec-explain it :)
  445. # [18:57] <annevk> Perhaps you can reuse some stuff from the CORS cache
  446. # [18:57] <annevk> It's not that hard to define a cache in prose, you just need to be clear about when writing and reading happens and what happens for misses and such
  447. # [18:58] <annevk> And the conditions of course, such as whether type needs to match :-)
  448. # [19:00] <annevk> https://twitter.com/jacobrossi/status/634768416088424448 this is great
  449. # [19:00] <annevk> igrigorik: why do you have nigiri as favicon? :-)
  450. # [19:01] <igrigorik> thanks for the tip, I'll take a look.. On that note though, seems like the lookup logic should live in Fetch? Since, implicitly what we have today is: prefetch cache -> HTTP cache -> network
  451. # [19:01] <annevk> ooh, that's from rawgit.com
  452. # [19:01] <igrigorik> yeah :)
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  454. # [19:01] <annevk> igrigorik: yeah, the lookup needs to happen in Fetch someplace
  455. # [19:02] <igrigorik> you're looking at a branch.. I haven't landed those updates yet. wanted to get a sanity check first.
  456. # [19:02] <annevk> igrigorik: ideally just a simple hook where I invoke something in preload
  457. # [19:02] <annevk> igrigorik: and preload returns me a response, and if I have a response I simply don't go to the network (or the service worker?)
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  460. # [19:03] <igrigorik> annevk: yep, makes sense.. since SW could have served the prefetch response ^_^
  461. # [19:03] <annevk> right
  462. # [19:05] <igrigorik> annevk: Ok, well, sounds like the 'as' bits are in a reasonably good place. I'll land that as a start and we can iterate on the cache bits to define all the matching + hooks semantics.
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  505. # [21:03] <annevk> nox: is https://twitter.com/nokusu/status/634686055548100608 your work?
  506. # [21:03] <annevk> nox: sounds pretty cool
  507. # [21:03] <nox> annevk: That's me yes.
  508. # [21:03] <nox> @RustLang RT'd it, I keep getting notifications now, hah.
  509. # [21:09] <annevk> nox: it's kind of cool that even encoding/decoding can use this stuff
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  545. # [23:24] <jamesr___> convert ASCII to UTF-8
  546. # [23:24] <jamesr___> ?
  547. # [23:24] <jamesr___> is that not memcpy() ?
  548. # [23:26] <jamesr___> oh, the input bytes are maybe ASCII but you still have to check?
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