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  67. # [05:11] <Domenic> <3 cvrebert
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  79. # [06:16] <MikeSmith> The Prolific Mr. Rebert
  80. # [06:17] <MikeSmith> I'm sad in part because I first came to know cvrebert from PRs and issues he raised against the HTML Checker
  81. # [06:17] <MikeSmith> from his work on his extremely-clever https://github.com/cvrebert/lmvtfy tool
  82. # [06:18] <MikeSmith> but he raiseth no HTML Checker PRs or issues lately
  83. # [06:18] <MikeSmith> so I feel a bit neglected 😢
  84. # [06:19] <MikeSmith> s/raiseth no/raiseth nigh a/
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  91. # [06:57] <Domenic> one of the best s//s I've seen in recent memory
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  95. # [07:00] <annevk> So my thinking with https://html5.org/tools/web-apps-tracker is that we redirect if the URL is exactly that to https://github.com/whatwg/html/commits
  96. # [07:00] <annevk> Coupled with the Twitter account also pointing there I think that's sufficient
  97. # [07:00] <annevk> If anyone wants to write a script that redirects links such as https://html5.org/r/8891 as well be my guest
  98. # [07:01] <annevk> Domenic: so one concern with our commit conventions is that the tweets end up rather big
  99. # [07:01] <Domenic> annevk: they seem fine to me?
  100. # [07:01] <annevk> Domenic: you don't mind the double newline?
  101. # [07:01] <annevk> Takes up so much space
  102. # [07:02] <Domenic> Not at all... great to separate "this is definitely worth reading" from "the rest of this is details that will probably be cut off anyway"
  103. # [07:02] <Domenic> We could try to (get someone with knowledge of Ruby to) add an option to the twitter thingy to cut off anything after the double-newline if you want
  104. # [07:03] <annevk> That might be of interest, usually the links placed there are wrong anyway
  105. # [07:03] <annevk> I would prefer the tweets to be a bit less obtrusive
  106. # [07:04] <annevk> And that would certainly make them so
  107. # [07:05] <Domenic> The double newlines are actually because of a recent instance of me getting someone to fix a bug that omitted them
  108. # [07:05] <Domenic> https://github.com/github/github-services/issues/959 https://github.com/github/github-services/pull/1075
  109. # [07:05] <Domenic> I wanted the separation for streams where I do the same thing
  110. # [07:06] <Domenic> Through the latter link you can also learn about a bizarre behavior of Ruby's string.split(" ")
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  115. # [07:24] <MikeSmith> about the idea of redirecting links such as https://html5.org/r/8891 it seems not worth the hassle
  116. # [07:24] <MikeSmith> because "ain't broke don't fix it"
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  118. # [07:27] <MikeSmith> in other news by my count, 50 of the open W3C bugzilla bugs were closed out yesterday (out of the 428 open bugs the day started out with)
  119. # [07:27] <MikeSmith> but unfortunately it seems pretty much all the low-hanging fruit has now been picked there
  120. # [07:28] <MikeSmith> and the remaining open bugs are all mostly things that will actually require some work
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  122. # [07:31] <MikeSmith> I guess I could try to start a TODO list of stuff that needs to be done, if that would be worthwhile
  123. # [07:32] <MikeSmith> my own personal TODO list is to actually finish getting my build environment set up and working
  124. # [07:33] <MikeSmith> but first, time to take a walk to Shinjuku station and eat a hamburger
  125. # [07:36] <annevk> Domenic: hah, it sounds like you're my Twitter hook enemy :-P
  126. # [07:37] <annevk> MikeSmith: jaleous
  127. # [07:38] <annevk> MikeSmith: I think a high-level TODO thing might be worthwhile since a lot of bugs are related
  128. # [07:38] <annevk> MikeSmith: also, there's a bunch of easy bugs left but they're all filed by philipj so I don't want to start fixing them for him
  129. # [07:53] <annevk> TabAtkins: is https://drafts.csswg.org/mediaqueries/#scripting being implemented?
  130. # [07:54] <TabAtkins> annevk: It will be, yes. Approved as part of Houdini.
  131. # [07:56] <annevk> TabAtkins: so https://github.com/whatwg/html/pull/25/files makes sense?
  132. # [07:56] <TabAtkins> Oh, wrong feature, that's not a Houdini thing. Still yeah, should be implemented, and yes, makes sense at first glance.
  133. # [07:57] <TabAtkins> You can simplify that to just (scripting) btw
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  135. # [07:59] <annevk> Ah shit
  136. # [08:03] <annevk> Okay, addressed in a follow up commit
  137. # [08:03] <annevk> Thank you
  138. # [08:03] <annevk> MikeSmith: Domenic: btw, I'm not exactly locally building the specification
  139. # [08:03] <annevk> MikeSmith: Domenic: currently relying on making simple changes, but I guess I should change that...
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  141. # [08:08] <annevk> Loading https://github.com/whatwg/html/graphs/contributors seems impossible
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  148. # [08:27] <cvrebert> MikeSmith: Perhaps all the issues+PRs on https://github.com/w3c/css-validator-fork should be closed since it's dead?
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  153. # [08:42] <MikeSmith> cvrebert: Yeah, will do so later
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  157. # [08:46] <MikeSmith> actually I think I may just transfer ownership of it to Alex. Because it's his fork really (never actually been a w3c thing), and nobody other than him actually cares at all about it
  158. # [08:46] <MikeSmith> fuglied up as it is with scala/sbt junk
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  171. # [09:23] <cvrebert> Am I missing any straightforward reason why these two "tables" shouldn't render the same?: http://jsfiddle.net/cvrebert/2xk62L2x/
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  173. # [09:25] <TabAtkins> cvrebert: <fieldset> has magical rendering behavior.
  174. # [09:27] <cvrebert> TabAtkins: Aside from <legend>-related stuff, https://html.spec.whatwg.org/multipage/rendering.html#the-fieldset-and-legend-elements does not seem to mention anything magical.
  175. # [09:33] <annevk> cvrebert: regarding https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=28954 I'm not sure it's worth clarifying since browsers haven't implemented their current set of rendering rules based on that section
  176. # [09:34] <annevk> cvrebert: the Rendering section is mostly reflecting what is implemented, sometimes tightening up things that were not defined
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  178. # [09:34] <annevk> cvrebert: so it's kind of reasonable that there's a couple of mismatches
  179. # [09:36] <annevk> mkwst: woohoo, I think you added the first feature since GitHub
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  183. # [09:50] <zcorpan_> is https://html5.org/tools/web-apps-tracker supposed to work? (broken because of the rename?)
  184. # [09:51] <annevk> zcorpan_: no, I want to redirect it, see logs
  185. # [09:52] <zcorpan_> oh, ok
  186. # [09:52] <annevk> zcorpan_: Twitter account no longer uses it
  187. # [09:52] <annevk> zcorpan_: if you're willing to provide patches :-)
  188. # [09:54] <zcorpan_> is the green button OK if there's just one commit in a PR?
  189. # [09:56] <Ms2ger> No
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  191. # [09:59] <MikeSmith> The green button still causes multiple commits
  192. # [10:01] <zcorpan_> ok
  193. # [10:01] <cvrebert> See https://github.com/isaacs/github/issues/2 , https://github.com/isaacs/github/issues/5
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  196. # [10:08] <cvrebert> TabAtkins: Is the "is expected to establish a new BFC" sentence sufficient to explain that, or is there further magic?
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  198. # [10:16] <zcorpan_> should i do what github's "command line instructions" says or something else, to merge a pr?
  199. # [10:17] <Ms2ger> rebase the branch, confirm with git log, and push
  200. # [10:17] <cvrebert> drop the "--no-ff". my particular PR is already freshly rebased.
  201. # [10:24] <MikeSmith> zcorpan_: unfortunately the github "command line instructions" also cause multiple commits, I think
  202. # [10:24] <zcorpan_> MikeSmith: yeah i noticed
  203. # [10:26] <MikeSmith> an alternative to what Ms2ger suggested is, just cherrypick the commit from that branch
  204. # [10:26] <MikeSmith> to me, that's the easiest
  205. # [10:27] <Ms2ger> Yeah, I guess that would work
  206. # [10:28] <MikeSmith> it doesn't have any downside that I can think of
  207. # [10:31] <cvrebert> well, the PR won't show as merged even though it's already been rebased atop master, but whatever
  208. # [10:31] <MikeSmith> cvrebert: that's true I guess, yeah
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  210. # [10:33] <MikeSmith> But I think for this repo/project, that's not a problem
  211. # [10:33] <MikeSmith> Anyway it's idiotic that we have to repeatedly have these discussions
  212. # [10:33] <MikeSmith> git is the complete opposite of elegance
  213. # [10:33] <MikeSmith> it gets in your way constantly
  214. # [10:35] <zcorpan_> i did what cvrebert said
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  216. # [10:38] <TabAtkins> MikeSmith: It's not git's fault, it's github's. Rebase is the better option most of the time, but GH strongly favors merge, and makes it hard to do anything else.
  217. # [10:39] <MikeSmith> true yeah
  218. # [10:39] <MikeSmith> github is very slow about fixing broken stuff like this, too
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  243. # [13:28] <roc> every single project I work on rebases commits to master
  244. # [13:28] <roc> so github PRs basically never show as merged
  245. # [13:29] <roc> yet github wins
  246. # [13:29] <roc> another triumph of network effects over common sense
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  248. # [13:33] <Ms2ger> See also: git
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  250. # [13:46] <TabAtkins> roc: One downside doesn't necessarily wreck a solution. ^_^
  251. # [13:47] <TabAtkins> Also, I'm lazy, and just merge things into Bikeshed.
  252. # [13:47] <Ms2ger> Exactly
  253. # [13:51] <Ms2ger> annevk, fixed https://github.com/whatwg/html/pull/21
  254. # [13:53] <roc> TabAtkins: sure, github's not completely useless, or network effects wouldn't be enough to overcome its defects
  255. # [13:55] <Ms2ger> Sadly
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  312. # [17:51] <annevk> Ms2ger: you should check that parsedURL is not failure, no?
  313. # [17:51] <annevk> Ms2ger: "is not successful" seems wrong
  314. # [17:54] <Ms2ger> resolve-a-url says "abort these steps with an error"
  315. # [17:54] <Ms2ger> Might be better to make that "return failure" or something
  316. # [17:55] <annevk> oh okay, it's the wrapper
  317. # [17:55] <annevk> hopefully we can remove that at some point
  318. # [17:55] <annevk> I guess for now this is okayish then
  319. # [17:55] <Ms2ger> Yeah, wasn't too happy about that part either
  320. # [17:57] <annevk> I like how the HTML commit log has lots of different icons
  321. # [17:57] <annevk> Hopefully that'll go on like that
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