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  112. # [07:02] <kalimann> brothers. how would you make a list like this? http://snag.gy/U0c5P.jpg
  113. # [07:03] <kalimann> with year numbers as bulletins, and then two different lines of info for each year
  114. # [07:03] <kalimann> i tried some nested lists but cant make it work
  115. # [07:04] <kalimann> should i just break it into different <p> or is there a systemical way to do this?
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  143. # [08:05] <renlinx> hi..
  144. # [08:06] <renlinx> my github account is
  145. # [08:06] <renlinx> github.com/sideffect0
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  148. # [08:10] <annevk> caitp: heh
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  170. # [09:23] <nox> annevk: Made a PR for the issue I mentioned yesterday.
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  184. # [10:25] <MikeSmith> mkwst: about the HTML CSP PR, gimme a second to rebuild from it and look at the rendered output
  185. # [10:25] <mkwst> MikeSmith: No rush. :)
  186. # [10:25] <mkwst> I'm sure it's broken. I'm still not building locally. :/
  187. # [10:25] <mkwst> Maybe I'll take some time to play with the new scripts y'all have put together.
  188. # [10:28] <MikeSmith> mkwst: yeah please do try out the script update and help test it
  189. # [10:30] <MikeSmith> mkwst: it's in the pr/20 branch there (aka sideshowbarker/redesign-output-input-split)
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  191. # [10:31] <MikeSmith> mkwst: so yeah I "Parse Error: (14573,170) unexpected end tag" when building
  192. # [10:32] <MikeSmith> isn't that the line I sent you a PR for?
  193. # [10:32] <mkwst> Does it not like splitting the `span`'s attribute across lines?
  194. # [10:32] <MikeSmith> no, hang on
  195. # [10:32] <mkwst> Did you send me a PR?
  196. # [10:33] <MikeSmith> yeah https://github.com/mikewest/html/pulls
  197. # [10:33] <MikeSmith> https://github.com/validator/html/commit/3a47bf6209f3b7cee9773dec6b89142eae5cad22
  198. # [10:33] <MikeSmith> the fix is to remove "</dfn></dt>" from the end of that line
  199. # [10:34] <MikeSmith> you don't need to use my PR as such
  200. # [10:34] <MikeSmith> I just made that because I wanted to see if it was possible to make a PR against somebody else's PR branch
  201. # [10:35] <mkwst> Ok, the `</dfn>` is certainly wrong, thanks! I guess the rest of the file drops the `</dt>` as well, even though that style choice is objectively incorrect. :)
  202. # [10:36] <MikeSmith> right yeah, the "</dt>" is not wrong but Hixie style is to omit it
  203. # [10:36] <MikeSmith> (personally I like that style too)
  204. # [10:36] <MikeSmith> "objectively incorrect" :)
  205. # [10:37] <mkwst> Eh. It feels wrong not to close tags that are closable. That said, out of all the things in this file that annoy me, lack of some closing tags is hardly at the top of the list.
  206. # [10:37] <MikeSmith> but it's not a big deal to have it
  207. # [10:37] <mkwst> Dropped it from the latest commit.
  208. # [10:37] <MikeSmith> k
  209. # [10:37] <Ms2ger> Annoyingly, he doesn't drop </li>, though
  210. # [10:38] * MikeSmith pulls
  211. # [10:39] <MikeSmith> Ms2ger: yeah but Hixie does that specifically you personally ;-)
  212. # [10:39] <MikeSmith> Ms2ger: yeah but Hixie does that specifically to annoy you personally ;-)
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  214. # [10:39] <Ms2ger> I knew it
  215. # [10:40] <annevk> Ms2ger: it depends, </li> is sometimes dropped
  216. # [10:40] <MikeSmith> mkwst: build success but got some non-build errors
  217. # [10:40] <hsivonen> aargh. I can't reuse the Web Platform Tests gbk encoder test for Gecko, because the test assumes that the browser has a URL Standard-compliant URL parser, which Gecko doesn't have
  218. # [10:40] <MikeSmith> mkwst:
  219. # [10:40] <MikeSmith> Error: missing <dfn> for topic "reflected-xss" explicitly from <code> element containing "reflected-xss"; previous heading contents are "4.2.5.3 Pragma directives"
  220. # [10:40] <MikeSmith> Error: missing <dfn> for topic "report-uri" explicitly from <code> element containing "report-uri"; previous heading contents are "4.2.5.3 Pragma directives"
  221. # [10:40] <MikeSmith> Error: missing <dfn> for topic "frame-ancestors" explicitly from <code> element containing "frame-ancestors"; previous heading contents are "4.2.5.3 Pragma directives"
  222. # [10:40] <MikeSmith> Error: missing <dfn> for topic "sandbox" explicitly from <code> element containing "sandbox"; previous heading contents are "4.2.5.3 Pragma directives"
  223. # [10:41] <mkwst> can I not just have `code` elements? Do they need to reference something?
  224. # [10:41] <MikeSmith> annevk: ↑
  225. # [10:41] <MikeSmith> mkwst: empty
  226. # [10:41] <MikeSmith> oofs
  227. # [10:42] <MikeSmith> mkwst: <code data-x="">
  228. # [10:42] <MikeSmith> I think
  229. # [10:43] <MikeSmith> or something like that
  230. # [10:43] <MikeSmith> right annevk ?
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  232. # [10:43] <mkwst> this document's conventions are so strange. :(
  233. # [10:43] <annevk> MikeSmith: yes
  234. # [10:44] <annevk> MikeSmith: though perhaps we should just add references for those since they're all terms defined by CSP
  235. # [10:44] <mkwst> yeah, i'm adding references.
  236. # [10:44] <MikeSmith> mkwst: you will learn to love it eventually (stockholm syndrome)
  237. # [10:44] <MikeSmith> k
  238. # [10:44] <Ms2ger> MikeSmith, not before it's been bikeshedded, I hope :)
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  241. # [10:45] <mkwst> Are we bikeshedding? That would be nice!
  242. # [10:45] <Ms2ger> I hope we will
  243. # [10:46] <mkwst> How will you deal with the multipage version? That logic seems somewhat custom.
  244. # [10:46] <MikeSmith> mkwst: you don't need to necessarily
  245. # [10:47] <MikeSmith> except for your local testing
  246. # [10:47] <MikeSmith> ah you mean the xrefs
  247. # [10:47] <MikeSmith> I guess?
  248. # [10:47] <mkwst> and the generation.
  249. # [10:47] <nox> Why would he have written wattsi if it's for the spec to be bikeshedded afterwards, though?
  250. # [10:50] <mkwst> MikeSmith: So what do I need to build locally at the moment? Do I still need to build wattsi locally?
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  253. # [10:53] <MikeSmith> mkwst: no you do not need a local wattsi at all
  254. # [10:53] <MikeSmith> Domenic put together a service that the build script now calls
  255. # [10:53] <mkwst> do I need to patch anything in?
  256. # [10:54] <MikeSmith> the build sends your source to the service, and the service returns a zip file and the build unpacks that and runs the rest of the build using that
  257. # [10:54] <annevk> mkwst: "valid Content Security Policy" is not defined
  258. # [10:54] <MikeSmith> mkwst: I think the trunk has that service change
  259. # [10:54] * MikeSmith looks
  260. # [10:55] <annevk> Ms2ger: is Bikeshed fast enough?
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  262. # [10:55] <MikeSmith> mkwst: yeah it does (I realize now I was the one who merged it...(
  263. # [10:56] <MikeSmith> mkwst: so yeah you don't need to build wattsi. run the script and it Should Just Work
  264. # [10:56] <mkwst> MikeSmith: Using the sideshowbarker/redesign-output-input-split branch?
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  266. # [10:57] <MikeSmith> mkwst: you can if you want, though the trunk will also work for you
  267. # [10:57] <MikeSmith> but the sideshowbarker/redesign-output-input-split branch is faster
  268. # [10:57] <mkwst> faster === better.
  269. # [10:57] <MikeSmith> yeah it's quite a bit faster
  270. # [10:57] <mkwst> and it looks like it solves the "copy everything into this directory" problem?
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  272. # [10:57] <MikeSmith> yes
  273. # [10:57] <MikeSmith> that too
  274. # [10:58] <MikeSmith> yeah
  275. # [10:58] <MikeSmith> you don't need to copy anything or symlink anything
  276. # [10:58] <Ms2ger> Bikeshed in Rust
  277. # [10:58] <MikeSmith> oh, you should set HTML_SOURCE to the relative path to your html repo
  278. # [10:59] <MikeSmith> or if you have one in ../html the build will use it
  279. # [10:59] <mkwst> Ok. It worked! I think.
  280. # [10:59] <MikeSmith> mkwst: yeah look in the output dir
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  282. # [10:59] <MikeSmith> you should have an output dir with everything
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  284. # [11:00] <annevk> Ms2ger: or wattsi
  285. # [11:00] <MikeSmith> as far as speed, wattsi is extremely fast
  286. # [11:01] <MikeSmith> I can run a rebuild of the spec in just 8 seconds on my machine
  287. # [11:01] <mkwst> MikeSmith,annevk: I think the latest patch fixes the things you've noted.
  288. # [11:01] <MikeSmith> the code is actually pretty nice as well
  289. # [11:02] * MikeSmith pulls
  290. # [11:04] <MikeSmith> annevk: btw before I forget http://stackoverflow.com/tags/fetch-api/info
  291. # [11:05] <MikeSmith> mkwst: so I tried twice and I'm still getting Error: missing <dfn> for topic "reflected-xss" explicitly from <code> element containing "reflected-xss"; previous heading contents are "4.2.5.3 Pragma directives"
  292. # [11:06] <MikeSmith> and 3 more
  293. # [11:06] <MikeSmith> and I still see <code>reflected-xss</code> in my source
  294. # [11:07] <MikeSmith> and I'm pretty sure I did actually merge
  295. # [11:07] <mkwst> MikeSmith: Yup. I missed reflected-xss. :/ Sorry about that.
  296. # [11:07] <MikeSmith> I mean, I merged in your latest to my clone of that branch
  297. # [11:07] <mkwst> Up now.
  298. # [11:08] * MikeSmith does git fetch && git merge origin/pr/93 again
  299. # [11:10] <MikeSmith> mkwst: actually I believe the paragraph at line 14575 is what it's reporting those errors for
  300. # [11:10] <mkwst> Do I need any exciting flags to make errors appear? Even without that last commit, I only see "Possible incomplete sections", but no errors.
  301. # [11:10] <MikeSmith> oh
  302. # [11:10] <MikeSmith> that's odd
  303. # [11:10] <MikeSmith> oh
  304. # [11:10] <MikeSmith> hmm, yeah, I think I know why
  305. # [11:10] <MikeSmith> those errors are from wattsi
  306. # [11:11] <MikeSmith> the other ones you can see are from perl scripts
  307. # [11:11] <mkwst> (using the origin/sideshowbarker/redesign-output-input-split branch)
  308. # [11:11] <MikeSmith> yeah
  309. # [11:11] <mkwst> ok. so what command line are you executing?
  310. # [11:11] <MikeSmith> if you're not running wattsi locally you won't see those errors I think
  311. # [11:11] <annevk> So server-side wattsi doesn't report the parse errors?
  312. # [11:11] <annevk> That seems like a problem
  313. # [11:11] <MikeSmith> annevk: apparently it does not
  314. # [11:12] <MikeSmith> and yeah if so we need to fix that
  315. # [11:12] <mkwst> That seems somewhat critical. :)
  316. # [11:12] <MikeSmith> yeah
  317. # [11:12] <MikeSmith> but it's fixable
  318. # [11:13] <annevk> Installing wattsi is pretty trivial though
  319. # [11:13] <annevk> Should be even easier with MikeSmith's fix for OS X
  320. # [11:13] <annevk> (if you're running OS X)
  321. # [11:13] <MikeSmith> we just send the errors back with the bundle, as a errors.log text file, and we just emit (cat) whatever is in thatc
  322. # [11:13] <MikeSmith> yeah it is trivial to build wattsi
  323. # [11:14] <MikeSmith> except that you have to build Free Pascal from the unstable development sources first
  324. # [11:14] <MikeSmith> but hey that's not a PITA, right?
  325. # [11:14] <MikeSmith> and download the Free Pascal sources from FTP first too
  326. # [11:14] <MikeSmith> but we all like to do that kind of stuff
  327. # [11:15] <mkwst> ...
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  329. # [11:15] <MikeSmith> annevk: so I do notice that those error messages don't report the line numbers, which is also not ideal
  330. # [11:16] <annevk> MikeSmith: which error messages?
  331. # [11:16] <MikeSmith> mkwst: as far as command-line for the build script invocation, I usually just do ./build.sh --no-update
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  333. # [11:16] <MikeSmith> the ones I cited here earlier
  334. # [11:16] <MikeSmith> Error: missing <dfn> for topic "reflected-xss" explicitly from <code> element containing "reflected-xss"; previous heading contents are "4.2.5.3 Pragma directives"
  335. # [11:16] <mkwst> MikeSmith: Right. I understand now that it's just wattsi locally vs wattsi as a service.
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  337. # [11:16] <MikeSmith> k
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  339. # [11:17] <mkwst> (and I kinda don't want to build wattsi... :) )
  340. # [11:17] <MikeSmith> something must be wrong with you if you're not thrilled about the idea of building wattsi yourself
  341. # [11:18] <MikeSmith> but, to each his own, as my chauffeur always says
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  344. # [11:19] <MikeSmith> seriously thanks for being the pioneer on using this gear, and for being patient
  345. # [11:20] <MikeSmith> we will soon have something that could be GAed for wide use
  346. # [11:22] <mkwst> No worries. Thanks for answering my stupid questions. :)
  347. # [11:24] <annevk> mkwst: so basically, for CSP and Mixed Content et al, do we want "requesting client" and "target browsing context"?
  348. # [11:24] <mkwst> annevk: Yeah, I think that's a reasonable way to name things, and it matches the kinds of checks that I think we actually want to be doing.
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  350. # [11:47] <MikeSmith> mkwst: pulled and error-free now
  351. # [11:47] <mkwst> Huzzah!
  352. # [11:47] * MikeSmith turns back to reading the actual content
  353. # [11:48] <mkwst> Bah. Form is all that matters!
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  355. # [11:53] <MikeSmith> mkwst: reviewed and LGTM as far as resolving the review comments I made
  356. # [11:54] <MikeSmith> annevk: you're reviewing the changes?
  357. # [11:54] <mkwst> Cool. Once annevk is happy, I'll squash. *shrug* No rush. I'd prefer annevk make the Fetch changes so I can make MIX make sense.
  358. # [11:55] <mkwst> :)
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  361. # [12:05] <annevk> mkwst: shouldn't "frame-ancestors directive</dfn>" be "<code>frame-..."?
  362. # [12:05] <annevk> <dfn><code>frame-ancestors</code> directive</dfn>
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  365. # [12:14] <annevk> mkwst: so I go add target browsing context and I notice Fetch has a note on client being null for navigation...
  366. # [12:14] <annevk> mkwst: ugh navigation
  367. # [12:16] <annevk> I wonder if JakeA is around
  368. # [12:16] <JakeA> Yep!
  369. # [12:16] <JakeA> Ish
  370. # [12:17] <annevk> JakeA: so there's a problem with "client" of sorts in that it doesn't do the right thing for referrer and such
  371. # [12:17] <annevk> JakeA: in navigating scenarios
  372. # [12:17] <annevk> JakeA: in particular things like <a target=name href=...>x</a> <iframe name=name></iframe>
  373. # [12:18] <annevk> JakeA: for this CSP would want the global of <a> as client, SW currently expects null?
  374. # [12:18] <annevk> JakeA: is it problematic if we change that around?
  375. # [12:22] <JakeA> annevk: the change sounds fair to me
  376. # [12:23] <JakeA> wait - is this a security leak?
  377. # [12:23] <JakeA> If origin A contains <a href="//B"> and doesn't want to send referrer, B's serviceworker could look at the client and get the full url of the page
  378. # [12:24] <JakeA> Feels like the client should be null, to script at least
  379. # [12:25] <JakeA> Or, perhaps only in cross-origin cases
  380. # [12:30] <mkwst> I'd agree that we shouldn't expose a cross-origin client to script.
  381. # [12:31] <mkwst> That would be bad in a number of ways.
  382. # [12:31] <JakeA> "Client is null if it's from another origin" seems like a reasonable rule
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  385. # [12:33] <mkwst> But that makes it difficult to do things like blocking navigation based on `child-src`, or upgrading requests based on the navigator's 'upgrade-insecure-requests' directive, or etc.
  386. # [12:33] <mkwst> We need the "requesting client", but there are times where we probably shouldn't expose it to script.
  387. # [12:33] <JakeA> Yeah, when I said "Client is null if it's from another origin" I mean script-facing
  388. # [12:34] <JakeA> Happy for it to be exposed in spec land
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  393. # [12:54] <mkwst> annevk: Regarding churn, you could at least use local linking text of "requesting client" in Fetch itself.
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  396. # [12:55] <renlinx> hi
  397. # [12:56] <annevk> mkwst: that would make it request's requesting client
  398. # [12:56] <annevk> mkwst: given that you typically prefix usage by request, it might not actually be needed
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  400. # [12:57] <mkwst> *shrug* As long as "`request`'s `client`" can never be the place where the content is being delivered, and is always the initiator, that's fine.
  401. # [13:01] <annevk> mkwst: it's fine that it can go away though right?
  402. # [13:01] <annevk> mkwst: e.g., when a browsing context navigates itself
  403. # [13:01] <mkwst> Go away?
  404. # [13:02] <annevk> mkwst: a browsing context's associated global is typically destroyed in some fashion when navigation takes place
  405. # [13:03] <mkwst> Right. I'd hope that would happen after policy checks?
  406. # [13:03] <annevk> I hope so
  407. # [13:03] <mkwst> Then the spec can hope so too?
  408. # [13:04] <annevk> Navigate is not written in terms of Fetch yet
  409. # [13:04] <annevk> But yeah, that should be the case
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  434. # [15:20] <MikeSmith> botie, seen othermaciej
  435. # [15:21] <MikeSmith> botie, seen othermaciej?
  436. # [15:39] <zcorpan> annevk: pls see https://github.com/whatwg/web-apps-tracker/pull/2 (i don't have mod_python locally so i haven't actually tested it)
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  451. # [16:56] <annevk> zcorpan: oh cool
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  460. # [17:11] <annevk> seems to work with some tweaks
  461. # [17:11] <jochen__> annevk: who are you waiting for on https://github.com/whatwg/fetch/issues/80#issuecomment-132474557 ?
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  473. # [17:35] <annevk> jochen__: nobody really, I fixed the issue
  474. # [17:35] <annevk> jochen__: I just don't know how stable it is :-)
  475. # [17:35] <annevk> jochen__: I would be okay with Chrome shipping though, personally
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  483. # [18:18] <annevk> I created https://github.com/whatwg/misc-server for those that have been asking about hosting more miscellaneous server resources
  484. # [18:18] <annevk> It's not exactly complete, but it's a start
  485. # [18:18] <annevk> (It's a rename of the old web-apps-tracker repository, which we don't really need anymore.)
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  490. # [18:32] <annevk> mkwst: is your CSP PR waiting on me?
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  494. # [18:46] <zcorpan> annevk: nice
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