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  149. # [08:29] <annevk> Kinda wish we had removed that wget dependency before I installed it
  150. # [08:29] <annevk> Oh well, now the next person won't have to
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  169. # [09:10] <MikeSmith> yeah
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  174. # [09:14] <cvrebert> Is it just me, or is drafts.csswg.org unreachable?
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  255. # [14:32] <Ms2ger> Nice: http://www.computerworld.com/article/2851719/slack-now-lets-employers-tap-workers-private-chats.html
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  260. # [14:55] <ato> Ms2ger: Isn’t that what we’re switching to? (-:
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  263. # [15:01] <jgraham> Well to be fair to them, it sounds like it's non-trivial to enable and clear when it is enabled
  264. # [15:01] <jgraham> And I hope no one is switching to them!
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  267. # [15:05] <gsnedders> MikeSmith: why have I left the HTML WG?
  268. # [15:08] <Ms2ger> Because it's a cesspit of flamewars and inscrutable Process?
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  272. # [15:11] <MikeSmith> gsnedders: you only were joined for like one day
  273. # [15:11] <MikeSmith> I have no idea why it kicked you
  274. # [15:11] <MikeSmith> maybe your affiliation changed?
  275. # [15:11] <gsnedders> nothing indicating that?
  276. # [15:11] <gsnedders> And /I/ haven't changed anything!
  277. # [15:11] <MikeSmith> nothing I can see
  278. # [15:12] <MikeSmith> well anyway you're not missing anything
  279. # [15:12] <MikeSmith> I don't know why you don't just join webapps wg isntead
  280. # [15:12] <gsnedders> I have joined webapps :P
  281. # [15:12] <MikeSmith> ah ok
  282. # [15:14] <wilhelm_> I'd kick out gsnedders too.
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  297. # [15:49] <annevk> Hmm
  298. # [15:49] <annevk> GitHub can't show the diff for my Fetch PR
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  302. # [15:53] <Domenic> This should be fun
  303. # [15:53] <Domenic> It'll be best to review the HTML diff anyway
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  305. # [15:54] <Domenic> In the end though this is going to be one of those PRs where you mostly just trust the author. Maybe we'll spot some editorial things.
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  307. # [15:58] <tantek> annevk: just ship it and have people review the total end result.
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  310. # [15:59] <jgraham> annevk: Pointer?
  311. # [16:00] <annevk> https://github.com/whatwg/html/pull/144
  312. # [16:01] <annevk> tantek: idea is currently that changes to the HTML Standard will get some review first
  313. # [16:03] <jgraham> That's not even a very big diff
  314. # [16:03] <jgraham> All these tools suck :(
  315. # [16:04] <tantek> annevk - ok
  316. # [16:05] <Ms2ger> There's always https://github.com/whatwg/html/pull/144.diff
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  318. # [16:09] <zcorpan> wtf github
  319. # [16:10] <zcorpan> should we use critic?
  320. # [16:10] <zcorpan> i suppose critic is differently annoying in that it gets confused if you --amend
  321. # [16:11] <Ms2ger> Maybe reviewable
  322. # [16:11] <jgraham> reviewable refuses to display the spec
  323. # [16:11] <Ms2ger> But both suck at reviewing single-file diffs
  324. # [16:11] <annevk> Domenic: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=21674 so many fun cross-origin scripting issues
  325. # [16:11] <jgraham> I'm happy to try critic, but the no-force-push thing does seem to upset people
  326. # [16:12] <jgraham> I mean I'm happy for you to try critic
  327. # [16:13] <annevk> We do use force push
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  329. # [16:14] <jgraham> But you don't have to, is the point
  330. # [16:15] <jgraham> Right up until you want to rebase and have merge conflicts and want them reviewed, or until the review is accepted if you don't have push access yourself
  331. # [16:16] <annevk> True
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  334. # [16:19] <zcorpan> annevk: data-noexport="" vs. data-noexport - any reason not to use the latter?
  335. # [16:20] <annevk> zcorpan: style consistency
  336. # [16:20] <annevk> zcorpan: I would be okay with a PR to change the style throughout though, and drop ="" everywhere
  337. # [16:20] <zcorpan> k
  338. # [16:20] <annevk> zcorpan: provided wattsi can handle that
  339. # [16:21] <zcorpan> i'm sure Hixie implemented that part of the tokenizer correctly :-)
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  346. # [17:01] <annevk> (Thanks for the feedback on the Fetch PR, will address it tomorrow. Have been working on that for over a week so taking a small break.)
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  356. # [17:23] <JakeA> TabAtkins: If a flexbox contains wrapped items, is there a way to make the parent box the width as the longest line?
  357. # [17:23] <JakeA> Rather than width of the flexbox's container
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  359. # [17:24] <TabAtkins> width:max-content, though support is spotty currently
  360. # [17:25] <TabAtkins> Oh wait
  361. # [17:25] <TabAtkins> Never mind, I see what your asking for
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  363. # [17:29] <TabAtkins> I don't *think* there is. Shrink-wrapping doesn't work; once a float has to wrap, it's full-size regardless.
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  376. # [17:57] <annevk> Domenic: whoa that Twitter discussion
  377. # [17:57] <Domenic> yeah, meh
  378. # [17:57] <annevk> Domenic: splitting a response across a Response class and some Error subclass seems mighty weird
  379. # [17:57] <Domenic> I think the current design is great.
  380. # [17:58] <JakeA> ohh, that discussion took to Twitter did it?
  381. # [17:59] <JakeA> TabAtkins: is https://drafts.csswg.org/css-sizing-3/#fit-content-size it?
  382. # [18:00] <TabAtkins> No, that's shrink-wrapping
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  386. # [18:05] <annevk> JakeA: https://twitter.com/trodrigues/status/643705867767054336
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  390. # [18:10] <JakeA> hm, I replied in the comment
  391. # [18:10] <JakeA> s
  392. # [18:12] <annevk> ah good
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  397. # [18:24] <JakeA> fwiw, I'd still like an option to reject on !response.ok
  398. # [18:25] <JakeA> But maybe only cache.addAll benefits from that, in which case that option should go there
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  400. # [18:27] <nox> TabAtkins: With the new CSS specs you are writing, is there anything that allow us to express https://html.spec.whatwg.org/multipage/#magic-border-selector?
  401. # [18:29] <TabAtkins> No; we don't yet have anything in Selectors that parses attribute values as anything other than strings.
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  404. # [18:30] <TabAtkins> We have a pending suggestion, currently punted to level 5, to allow numeric comparisons in the attr selector, so you could write ":matches([border < 0], [border > 0])", or if you only care about positive values, just [border > 0].
  405. # [18:31] <zcorpan> TabAtkins: i suppose that wouldn't use html's "rules for parsing non-negative integers"
  406. # [18:31] <nox> TabAtkins: Nice.
  407. # [18:31] <TabAtkins> zcorpan: Nah, would use CSS's rules for parsing integers.
  408. # [18:31] <TabAtkins> Which is probably okay to switch to, compat-wise?
  409. # [18:32] <nox> They are different? :o
  410. # [18:32] <TabAtkins> Dunno, probably a little.
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  413. # [18:33] <TabAtkins> Looking over it, CSS's rules are more expansive.
  414. # [18:33] <zcorpan> TabAtkins: got a link to css's rules?
  415. # [18:33] <TabAtkins> The numeric comparer would almost certainly just parse the attr as a <number>, not an <integer>, and CSS allows scinot.
  416. # [18:33] <TabAtkins> I think it's a strict superset.
  417. # [18:34] <TabAtkins> zcorpan: https://drafts.csswg.org/css-syntax/#consume-a-number
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  419. # [18:34] <TabAtkins> zcorpan: Assuming we strip whitespace, which we would.
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  422. # [18:37] <Domenic> JakeA: and I still think you actually want something more composable than that for cache.addAll, like a general way of guaranteeing atomicity or doing rollbacks or similar, on any condition not just the single built-in one.
  423. # [18:38] <zcorpan> TabAtkins: i suppose it would be a bit weird to use css's number parsing here in an html attribute but html's rules elsewhere. but also, it's super-annoying to have different rules in JS/HTML/CSS
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  430. # [18:56] <nox> :integer(border) < 0? :P
  431. # [18:57] <JakeA> TabAtkins: btw, the layout we were looking at was http://jsbin.com/qufiza/edit?html,css,output, where the block of items were centered, but the items were still left aligned
  432. # [18:57] <nox> TabAtkins: Couldn't just the numeric comparer keep the type flag as integer in attribute selector context?
  433. # [18:58] <nox> Oh wait, some HTML attributes correspond to presentational hints that must be parsed as numbers, I guess?
  434. # [18:59] <zcorpan> nox: you wouldn't want integer for all attributes. e.g. <input step=0.5>, <div data-foobar=...>
  435. # [18:59] <nox> zcorpan: I see.
  436. # [19:01] <TabAtkins> CSS actually matches JS really closely now. Would have to look up the spec to see how exactly, but since we added scinot it got a lot closer.
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  440. # [19:03] <TabAtkins> And CSS *integers* match HTML exactly, it's just that there's no real call for an "integer only" falling in the numeric comparison selectors.
  441. # [19:03] <TabAtkins> s/falling/flag/
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  443. # [19:05] <zcorpan> TabAtkins: html ignores trailing garbage, which in css makes it a dimension instead of an integer, no?
  444. # [19:05] <zcorpan> border="1em"
  445. # [19:05] <TabAtkins> There's nothing wrong with a rule like [border >0] { border-width: attr(border px); } except for minor compat
  446. # [19:05] <TabAtkins> Oh, didnt know it ignored garbage.
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  448. # [19:06] <TabAtkins> It would just be invalid in CSS then
  449. # [19:06] <TabAtkins> Since yeah, that would parse as a dimension rather than a number.
  450. # [19:07] <TabAtkins> (That rule was very annoying to type in a phone keyboard.)
  451. # [19:08] <TabAtkins> So assuming that's necessary, CSS won't really be able to help.
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  453. # [19:08] <zcorpan> i don't know what the compat situation is, but i suppose there's non-zero amount of trailing "px" in html, and it would be bad to break that. maybe we could start supporting number-or-dimension, but personally i'm not so interested in pursuing that
  454. # [19:10] <TabAtkins> Yeah. CSS isn't interested in supporting that with syntax either, so not much worth in changing HTML.
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  460. # [19:28] <yhirano_> wanderview, Domenic, annevk: are you guys going to attend TPAC 2015? I may be there and it would be great if we can talk about streams / fetch.
  461. # [19:29] <wanderview> yhirano_: annevk and I will be there... I think Domenic said he would not be there
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  465. # [19:31] <wanderview> yhirano_: would be great to meet and talk about streams/fetch
  466. # [19:32] <Domenic> yhirano_: I will be in Japan around that time for vacation but not for TPAC. I could meet up in Tokyo before/after if desired.
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  468. # [19:34] <yhirano_> wanderview: thanks, let's talk. maybe in an adhoc meetings slot? (I've never attended TPAC, so please correct me if I'm wrong)
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  471. # [19:37] <wanderview> yhirano_: I've never been there either... I'm sure we can find time, though... I'll be there Mon to Thu morning
  472. # [19:39] <yhirano_> Domenic: yeah, if you could. Maybe we have blink-specific things (e.g. v8 extras) to talk about, too. I'm sorry I couldn't spend enough time for it this quarter.
  473. # [19:42] <yhirano_> Domenic: but I will be in MTV /SFO in Nov (for BlinkOn), so feel free to enjoy your vacation.
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  477. # [19:50] <yhirano_> wanderview: thank you.
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  481. # [19:56] <Domenic> yhirano_: sounds good! I will also be at BlinkOn. We can figure out a specific plan as the time draws closer.
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  483. # [19:58] <schalkneethling> still trying to make sense of the crossorigin attribute on the video element :-/ Who would have thought so much discussion can happen around a single attribute ;) One thing I am still unclear of is what credentials are being sent when a user uses either crossorigin=anonymous for local requests or crossorigin=use-credentials for CORS requests? Are these specific HTTP headers that are set or, not set?
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  493. # [20:10] <schalkneethling> Ah, I believe I have found the details on this https://html.spec.whatwg.org/#concept-media-load-resource
  494. # [20:10] <schalkneethling> proceeding to read the details
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  500. # [20:43] <Domenic> https://twitter.com/domenic/status/643851648461369344
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  543. # [22:50] <JonathanNeal> Thanks Domenic, just made a pull for the ul typo, hope I got it right https://github.com/whatwg/html/pull/146
  544. # [22:50] <Domenic> JonathanNeal: LGTM! :)
  545. # [22:51] <caitp> looks right to me
  546. # [22:51] <Domenic> Hmm are you in the acks yet?
  547. # [22:51] <JonathanNeal> Who me? what are the acks?
  548. # [22:51] <Domenic> Acknowledgments, heh.
  549. # [22:55] <JonathanNeal> Don’t know about them. Maybe setup a CONTRIBUTING.md doc?
  550. # [22:55] <JonathanNeal> I could make a pull request for that too :)
  551. # [22:56] <JonathanNeal> I have this rather generic one I’ve assembled, for example: https://github.com/jonathantneal/postcss-partial-import/blob/master/CONTRIBUTING.md
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  553. # [22:57] <Domenic> JonathanNeal: in the past annevk has preferred keeping things in the readme so people just have to read that. Which makes sense to me. I agree the adding-yourself-to-the-acks should be noted though. Would be happy for you to do a PR for that :)
  554. # [22:58] <JonathanNeal> Yea, but CONTRIBUTING.md gets put at the top of every new issues page, look: https://github.com/jonathantneal/postcss-partial-import/issues/new
  555. # [22:58] <JonathanNeal> “Please review the guidelines for contributing to this repository.”
  556. # [22:58] <Domenic> sure, but nobody actually sees that :P
  557. # [22:59] <JonathanNeal> I do :( and it can be a link in the README.md as well, just link you can link to your license from there. Don’t see a LICENSE.md.
  558. # [22:59] <JonathanNeal> s/just link/just like
  559. # [23:00] <Domenic> license is in the spec along with attributions
  560. # [23:00] <JonathanNeal> Would you like additions to the acknowledgements as a separate commit?
  561. # [23:00] <Domenic> Sure, that would be great
  562. # [23:01] <JonathanNeal> These are also things to put in CONTRIBUTING.md. Then when you want things formatted a certain way you just ask them to modify their commit to follow it. No repeating instructions as much as pointing.
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  565. # [23:01] <Domenic> We prefer README.md as a location for those instructions.
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  567. # [23:01] <JonathanNeal> Sure. </sell>
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  571. # [23:05] <Domenic> JonathanNeal: oh, I'm sorry, I misread. One commit please...
  572. # [23:06] <Domenic> I can squash it
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  600. # Session Close: Wed Sep 16 00:00:00 2015

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