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  76. # [07:54] <annevk> https://twitter.com/arturotena/status/645708214458159104 heh
  77. # [07:55] <annevk> jamesr: well, it's specified that the browser renders between tasks and not during them (as Opera used to do and would trip folks up)
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  133. # [10:35] <Huvet> Hi! I have some horrible HTML generated by Outlook that I want to parse with html5lib... it seems it's filled with <u/> tags all over. But since html5lib parses that as a regular <u> the whole document gets underlined. Is there a way in html5lib to allow more tags to be "self-closing"?
  134. # [10:36] <annevk> Huvet: you'd have to modify html5lib
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  137. # [10:36] <annevk> Huvet: might be easier to search and replace <u/> with <u></u> first
  138. # [10:37] <annevk> Huvet: or remove <u/> before parsing or u elements after parsing
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  140. # [10:39] <Huvet> damnit, wish there was a way to "expand" them beforehand... but doing that with a regex or string replace leads to insanity, or so I've read on Stackoverflow
  141. # [10:39] <Huvet> thanks!
  142. # [10:40] <annevk> Huvet: yeah, that's probably not a good idea unless the input is highly predictable
  143. # [10:40] <annevk> Huvet: just iterating through the tree afterwards is likely saner
  144. # [10:41] <Huvet> but afterwards means it's already too late... there can be correct <u> tags in there too, so I don't want to replace all of them
  145. # [10:41] <Huvet> so since html5lib borks them I need to do it before everything else
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  147. # [10:43] <Huvet> what if I monkeypatch html5lib.constants.voidElements?
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  149. # [10:45] <Ms2ger> Voids your warranty :)
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  151. # [10:48] <Huvet> Yeah, I'll just parse HTML with a regex beforehand instead :)
  152. # [10:50] <jgraham> I hate to be the one asking stupid questions, but I assume it doesn't parse with an XML parser?
  153. # [10:52] <Huvet> It's random HTML from the internet, so I don't trust a xml parsers to touch it at all
  154. # [10:52] <annevk> Huvet: if you change voidElements you'll mess up the correct <u> elements too
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  178. # [10:54] <Huvet> yeah, I'll keep my warranty and do it with regexps
  179. # [10:55] <annevk> Hah, not sure if I have this pile of regexps applied and then run the HTML parser and it doesn't really work will get you much help :-P
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  188. # [11:01] <Huvet> "they told me to parse with regexp in #whatwg" <- great T-shirt print
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  201. # [11:16] <zcorpan> modifying the html parser isn't gonna make you saner than running a regex :-)
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  217. # [11:58] <MikeSmith> > "they told me to parse with regexp in #whatwg" 🏆 😆
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  239. # [14:58] <MikeSmith> nginx finally has some real competition in terms for performance https://h2o.examp1e.net/ https://github.com/h2o/h2o
  240. # [14:59] <MikeSmith> actually it doesn't seem like much of competition ーh2o is just way faster
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  243. # [15:01] <MikeSmith> also there's nghttp2 https://github.com/tatsuhiro-t/nghttp2 which is an HTTP/2 library that curl now uses
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  247. # [15:05] <jgraham> If only it was rust ;)
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  252. # [15:15] <zcorpan> ok i'm now having trouble installing this perl XML::parser thing
  253. # [15:15] <nox> Just use MARPA.
  254. # [15:15] <zcorpan> "Warning: Cannot install XML::parser, don't know what it is."
  255. # [15:15] * nox runs away.
  256. # [15:16] <MikeSmith> jgraham: yeah
  257. # [15:16] <jgraham> zcorpan: Dare I ask why?
  258. # [15:16] <zcorpan> jgraham: https://github.com/whatwg/html-build
  259. # [15:16] <nox> jgraham: Talking about Rust,
  260. # [15:16] <jgraham> zcorpan: Ugh
  261. # [15:16] <nox> jgraham: it's been twice that html5lib-tests got new tests,
  262. # [15:16] <nox> jgraham: and both times, the differences between the tests and h5e were coming from errors in the former. :)
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  264. # [15:17] <MikeSmith> jgraham: there's a perl script used in the HTML spec build that parses a Unicode-related XML file that is a dependency for the cooked spec
  265. # [15:17] <jgraham> nox: Are you volunteering to be a test reviewer?
  266. # [15:17] <jgraham> :)
  267. # [15:17] <MikeSmith> sounds like nox is
  268. # [15:18] <nox> jgraham: I kinda am, but some slipped through.
  269. # [15:18] <MikeSmith> in the case of the ruby tests that might have been at least partially my fault
  270. # [15:18] <nox> jgraham: There were some weird tests with the latest Blink bump. You merged one of the fixes, and I made a PR for the other one, feel free to review it BTW. :D
  271. # [15:19] <jgraham> nox: I think the problem with tests from Blink is that those tests are often wrong
  272. # [15:19] <nox> jgraham: Yes…
  273. # [15:19] <jgraham> Because they write tests according to what they would like the spec to be rather than what it actually is, or something
  274. # [15:19] <nox> jgraham: Should run h5e against them before merges. =)
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  278. # [15:22] <zcorpan> ah now it seems it's working. should be XML::Parser, not XML::parser
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  289. # [16:02] <MikeSmith> jgraham: https://github.com/tatsuhiro-t/nghttp2 has Python bindings btw
  290. # [16:03] <MikeSmith> sadly no Pascal bindings yet for us Pascal fans, but we can hope
  291. # [16:03] <zcorpan> MikeSmith: html-build says "Local wattsi is not present; trying the build server..." although i have (tried to) build wattsi
  292. # [16:03] <MikeSmith> zcorpan: you need to put wattsi in your PATH
  293. # [16:04] <MikeSmith> I have the build script just doing a simple "hash wattsi" check for it
  294. # [16:04] <zcorpan> MikeSmith: ok, bin/wattsi in the wattsi clone?
  295. # [16:04] <MikeSmith> yeah, if that's where you have it
  296. # [16:05] <MikeSmith> then that ./bin dir needs to be in your path
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  298. # [16:05] <MikeSmith> the build script doesn't do any magic checking for it elsewhere
  299. # [16:07] <MikeSmith> @tatsuhiro_t, the developer of nghttp2, also has the coolest avatar imaginable https://github.com/tatsuhiro-t
  300. # [16:09] <zcorpan> MikeSmith: works now, thx
  301. # [16:09] <MikeSmith> super
  302. # [16:09] <MikeSmith> you will be able to build fast now
  303. # [16:09] <MikeSmith> ./build.sh --no-update should complete in 15 seconds or less
  304. # [16:10] <MikeSmith> which is pretty impressive given the size of the HTML document it's processing and everything it's doing
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  306. # [16:13] <MikeSmith> https://nghttp2.org/httpbin is fun (nghttp2 testing page)
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  311. # [16:23] <zcorpan> woot, managed to take the right steps to merge my PR
  312. # [16:23] <MikeSmith> nice
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  316. # [16:25] <MikeSmith> zcorpan: please always go back to the PR and delete the review branch
  317. # [16:26] <MikeSmith> otherwise the branch bear will bite you
  318. # [16:26] <zcorpan> k
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  326. # [17:05] <zcorpan> philipj: MikeSmith: re https://github.com/whatwg/html/commit/0a5aea3590336e260ffd8d35de84425360095520 maybe we should make everything give both explicitly, i suppose that makes the spec easier to understand?
  327. # [17:06] <philipj> zcorpan: doing that would indeed lead to less confusion of the sort that led to this change and revert
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  329. # [17:07] <zcorpan> filed an issue
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  369. # [19:04] <annevk_> So am I just getting a cached version or is something up with building the specification again?
  370. # [19:04] * annevk_ is now known as annevk
  371. # [19:04] <annevk> Still shows September 17 here
  372. # [19:05] <annevk> Domenic?
  373. # [19:05] <botie> Domenic is, like, awake
  374. # [19:05] <annevk> Excellent
  375. # [19:05] <Domenic> Sounds like a potential build issue, will investigate
  376. # [19:09] <Domenic> problem identified... should be fixed, will make GitHub re-ping the server to test
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  378. # [19:11] <annevk> Domenic: what's the email address of the new person editing ECMAScript?
  379. # [19:12] <Domenic> annevk: that's bterlson, brian.terlson@gmail.com
  380. # [19:13] <Ms2ger> A new person editing ECMAScript?
  381. # [19:13] <annevk> Domenic: ta
  382. # [19:13] <Ms2ger> Do they know HTML?
  383. # [19:13] <bterlson> hello
  384. # [19:13] <bterlson> what is HTML?
  385. # [19:13] <bterlson> XHTML ftw
  386. # [19:13] <annevk> bterlson: does your @microsoft.com account still work?
  387. # [19:13] <bterlson> I know the doctype by heart
  388. # [19:14] <bterlson> I sure hope so!
  389. # [19:14] <annevk> That's the one autocomplete gave me
  390. # [19:14] <bterlson> should work
  391. # [19:14] <bterlson> brian.terlson@microsoft.com is probably better for all ecmascript-related things
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  393. # [19:15] <annevk> ta
  394. # [19:17] <Domenic> annevk: spec fixed, shows 21 September now
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  401. # [19:38] <annevk> \o/
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  404. # [19:45] <annevk> I guess I should do some studying tomorrow: https://twitter.com/BrendanEich/status/646013302548525056
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  406. # [19:53] <annevk> Woohoo, 6/11 worker things fixed
  407. # [19:55] <Domenic> annevk: bterlson and I are having a cancelable promises summit today
  408. # [19:56] <bterlson> Domenic: You going to Tilde?
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  414. # [20:04] <annevk> No tweet for my workers commit...
  415. # [20:04] <annevk> But the hook says all is dandy
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  417. # [20:05] <annevk> Oh well, good enough for today
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  452. # [21:34] <nox> annevk: Some studying?
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  454. # [21:40] <MikeSmith> zcorpan: yeah, removing a level of indirection that implementors reading the spec need to deal with there would be a plus
  455. # [21:43] <TabAtkins> JonathanNeal: Re top/etc - those properties specify offsets from the containing block.
  456. # [21:43] <TabAtkins> From the relevant containing block edge, that is.
  457. # [21:46] <JonathanNeal> Thanks TabAtkins !
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  505. # [23:10] <slightlyoff> zomg, how did the Storage API fuck up provisional grants?
  506. # [23:11] <slightlyoff> and "estimate" vs. "persistantEstimate"...WTF?
  507. # [23:11] <slightlyoff> nothing about this make sense
  508. # [23:12] <slightlyoff> annevk: we need an API that lets us know if durable storage WOULD be granted if it was requested, without needing to run the prompt
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  512. # [23:28] <slightlyoff> I guess we can extend the Permissions API to handle this case
  513. # [23:28] <slightlyoff> will talk to Mounir
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