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- # Session Start: Mon Oct 26 00:00:00 2015
- # Session Ident: #whatwg
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- # [01:44] <annevk> talking about starving, already hungry again
- # [01:44] <annevk> I should learn how to breakfast
- # [01:48] <nikkibee> I hope the convention has meals... pycon would have been a lot harder for me if they didn't serve lunches there
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- # [01:52] <gsnedders> We have food. We'll see how good it is. :)
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- # [02:12] <MikeSmith> I reckon the food there will be pretty good, but I look forward to hearing y'alls assessments
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- # [02:59] <gsnedders> TabAtkins: well that explains why you ignored me earlier :P
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- # [03:01] <TabAtkins> People aren't allowed to change their hair style.
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- # [03:01] <gsnedders> WELL I'M SORRY
- # [03:01] <TabAtkins> YOU SHOULD BE
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- # [03:09] <karlcow> hober: about innerText https://github.com/whatwg/compat/issues/5
- # [03:09] <karlcow> and spec https://github.com/rocallahan/innerText-spec
- # [03:09] <karlcow> and Gecko bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=264412
- # [03:09] <karlcow> necessary for Web Compat issues.
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- # [03:50] <gsnedders> I still don't get the structure of idlharness.js
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- # [04:01] <caitp> does it not parse a webidl file, and build assertions about the interfaces it defines?
- # [04:02] <caitp> and then yell at you if your implementation doesn't match the expected interface?
- # [04:02] <MikeSmith> yeah
- # [04:02] <MikeSmith> though there are two parts of it
- # [04:02] <MikeSmith> the parser part is a separate script
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- # [04:02] <gsnedders> caitp: yes, that's how it works
- # [04:02] <MikeSmith> idlharness.js itself just does the comparing
- # [04:02] <gsnedders> caitp: but it's how stuff is arranged within the JS implementation of idlharness.js
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- # [04:04] * MikeSmith tries to remember who wrote it
- # [04:05] <MikeSmith> I hacked^Wwrote some parts of it, to add support for particular featuresーbut I can't be blamed for the whole thing
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- # [04:08] <caitp> all the bound closures are a bit hrd to reason about
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- # [05:39] <annevk> nikkibee: heh, there's food
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- # [06:11] <jgraham> Well there wasn't by 1pm
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- # [06:15] <zcorpan> so anyone want to design a new logo for webvtt? see https://twitter.com/webvtt
- # [06:15] <MikeSmith> yeah I seems they need to do some significant correction on the food sizing for the rest of the week
- # [06:15] <gsnedders> MikeSmith: food was good while it lasted. even those of us who got food didn't get much.
- # [06:18] <MikeSmith> yeah, in Japan, people typically eat a lot more rice at meals than most folks from elsewhere typically eat
- # [06:18] <MikeSmith> so, you kinda of fill up on that, and the portions of the other stuff are smaller
- # [06:19] <MikeSmith> I think people at, like, maybe twice as much rice as most people from elsewhere would eat with a meal
- # [06:20] <MikeSmith> anyway, I am told by the organizers that they are on it
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- # [06:23] <MikeSmith> zcorpan: suggest a font with rounded letters
- # [06:23] <MikeSmith> like, balloon shape
- # [06:24] <MikeSmith> and much thinner white border part
- # [06:24] <MikeSmith> otherwise I think you should keep that basic idea
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- # [06:47] <zcorpan> http://software.hixie.ch/utilities/js/live-dom-viewer/saved/3703
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- # [06:52] <MikeSmith> zcorpan: like!
- # [06:52] <TabAtkins> +1, nice logo
- # [06:52] <zcorpan> w00t
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- # [06:55] <gsnedders> Speaking of editing APIs, what's the best open source WYSIWYG editor nowadays?
- # [06:59] <caitp> browser devtools, probably
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- # [07:03] <MikeSmith> indeed yeah
- # [07:03] <MikeSmith> never thought of it in those terms
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- # [07:09] <gsnedders> caitp: that's not exactly end-user friendly :)
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- # [07:15] <caitp> dreamweaver? microsoft office 98?
- # [07:15] <caitp> idk
- # [07:18] <gsnedders> I meant of the JS sort
- # [07:18] <gsnedders> Like TinyMCE
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- # [07:19] <caitp> raptor-editor looks pretty flashy
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- # [08:40] <TabAtkins> zcorpan: merged
- # [08:40] <zcorpan> ty
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- # [08:47] <TabAtkins> zcorpan: WM isn't building right now, I need to fix whatever's fucking it up.
- # [08:47] <zcorpan> ok
- # [08:47] <TabAtkins> Tho we do serve the old version, so, hmm. Probably a bug in Shepherd.
- # [08:47] <TabAtkins> I'll bug plinss.
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- # [12:12] <schalkneethling> hi there all
- # [12:13] <schalkneethling> I have a quick question I would like to get people's opinion on
- # [12:13] <schalkneethling> what is the standard with the widest support, and longevity between microdata and microformats?
- # [12:13] <schalkneethling> From the microforat wiki it seems that microformats2 has "replaced" microdata
- # [12:14] <schalkneethling> is this true?
- # [12:14] <schalkneethling> I know it is still maintained as part of the HTML spec by the WhatWG but that the W3C has dropped it (seems like ~2013)
- # [12:14] <schalkneethling> so I am curious as to the current and future status
- # [12:14] <schalkneethling> thank you
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- # [13:11] <espadrine> schalkneethling: you want to focus on what is implemented, which is probably what schema.org supports.
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- # [13:16] <espadrine> microdata is pretty simple, which is probably good, but in some places such as email, json-ld is preferred
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- # [13:19] <espadrine> it all depends on what you build though — if it's meant to be read by search engines, or email engines, or custom tools in an intranet…
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- # [13:43] <schalkneethling> thanks espadrine
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- # [13:43] <schalkneethling> just general research on the state of things like microdata
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- # [14:22] <philipj> zcorpan: is annevk at TPAC?
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- # [14:23] <zcorpan> philipj: yes
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- # [14:24] <philipj> zcorpan: ok, then I'll wait until he's back to bug him about some fetch stuff
- # [14:25] <zcorpan> philipj: wdyt about the new webvtt logo?
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- # [14:25] <philipj> zcorpan: where it it?
- # [14:26] <zcorpan> https://twitter.com/webvtt and https://github.com/w3c/webvtt (soon as favicon on the spec too, though there was a problem with bikeshed)
- # [14:27] <philipj> zcorpan: who made it?
- # [14:27] <zcorpan> i did
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- # [14:28] <philipj> phone
- # [14:30] <philipj> it's nice, a speech bubble was precisely what I had in mind
- # [14:31] <philipj> in my master plan, it was of course green with a question mark in, but that didn't work out :)
- # [14:32] <philipj> between the two Ts there's just enough space that you'll get some different result depending on rasterization, maybe smashing them together entirely or pulling them a part a little would look better
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- # [14:32] <philipj> also, obviously the text should scroll up :)
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- # [14:42] <zcorpan> ok thx. it doesn't bother me about the Ts
- # [14:43] <zcorpan> one day i might do an SVG version
- # [14:44] <zcorpan> i designed it in live dom viewer using css :-)
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- # [14:48] <philipj> oh... I assumed this was SVG :)
- # [14:49] <philipj> zcorpan: url to logo in live dom viewer?
- # [14:50] <zcorpan> http://software.hixie.ch/utilities/js/live-dom-viewer/saved/3703
- # [14:51] <zcorpan> whenever i write svg i have to constantly look up how to do things. css i can do without looking things up
- # [14:53] <philipj> zcorpan: I thought the text was boxes as well, needs some font I don't have :)
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- # [14:53] <zcorpan> yeah
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- # [18:26] <johnme> sicking: did you get a chance to look at https://github.com/whatwg/notifications/pull/48?
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- # [19:01] <sicking> johnme: hrm.. hard to review a diff to the spec source, given that I don't know the spec that well, and not the source at all. From what I can tell by the webidl changes it looks good though.
- # [19:02] <johnme> Jonas: might be easier to review in HTML form?: http://services.w3.org/htmldiff?doc1=https%3A%2F%2Frawgit.com%2Fjohnmellor%2Fnotifications%2Ff72a0417b9cacc3e29194bc7e0e602d97224e5a5%2Fnotifications.html&doc2=https%3A%2F%2Frawgit.com%2Fjohnmellor%2Fnotifications%2F5022b8399443601162f77557d023e80411a15154%2Fnotifications.html
- # [19:02] <johnme> sicking: oops, wrong username above :)
- # [19:03] <sicking> either works actually :)
- # [19:03] <johnme> sicking: annevk took a look and seems happy, but wanted your second opinion: https://github.com/whatwg/notifications/pull/48?#issuecomment-149230945
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- # [19:04] <sicking> johnme: i'm still bummed that we can't support icons in the actions. You guys should lean on the Android team to fix that
- # [19:05] <sicking> johnme: obviously it's just as impossible for us to fix that in Firefox for Android as it is for you guys though, so i'm fine with the spec as-is
- # [19:05] <johnme> sicking: actually, we're making progress there - Marshmallow lets us pass in arbitrary bitmaps for the icons, and we're exploring the possibility of using custom layouts on older versions of Android in order to support icons
- # [19:05] <sicking> oh, interesting!
- # [19:05] <johnme> sicking: once this lands, I'll work on a proposal for icons
- # [19:06] <sicking> very cool!
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- # [19:06] <johnme> sicking: good to hear you're happy with it. mind commenting on the PR so Anne can land it?
- # [19:07] <sicking> lemme skim through the rest of the HTML-diff and i'll do it after
- # [19:07] <johnme> thanks
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- # [20:22] <Guest19153> Hello all, I wanted to introduce myself. I am a potential candidate for the OPW intership with the HTML standards project. Was wondering if there was anyone who had time to possibly mentor me as I attempt to make my first open source contribution to this project?
- # [20:25] <nikkibee> hello. annevk (the mentor for the project) and a lot of the group are at a web related conference this week, in Japan
- # [20:26] <nikkibee> there's still people around who can help though, so you should be able to make a contribution
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- # [20:56] <nikkibee> Guest19153: I'd reccomend emailing annevk at annevk@annevk.nl for advice on where to get started. that's what I did, and he was able to respond soon
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- # [20:57] <Guest19153> Thank you all for the feedback, I actually reached out to him and although he is at a conference he was kind enough to respond. I just didn't want to bug him too much but I only have 5 days to submit a contribution to apply for the intership. I found out about it pretty late, but I'll start w/reading the docs tonight
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- # [21:04] <rits> Domenic: Hello, actually i am working on the outreachy proposal and was working on the timeline of the project, but i have not been able to contact annevk for the same,
- # [21:05] <rits> so could you help me by giving some hints what main objectives have to be achieved during the internship period, thanks
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