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  74. # [08:56] <annevk> wanderview: https://github.com/whatwg/fetch/pull/146
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  96. # [10:50] <philipj> Ms2ger: How is one supposed to use promise_rejects in testharness.js? You added it but I can't see it used anywhere.
  97. # [10:50] <philipj> annevk: yt?
  98. # [10:52] <Ms2ger> philipj, https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/1490/files
  99. # [10:52] <Ms2ger> (In case you ever wanted to write tests for webcrypto: don't bother)
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  101. # [10:52] <annevk> philipj: more or less
  102. # [10:56] <philipj> Ms2ger: so it depends on promise_rejects being called before the then() and catch() inside promise_test are registered. I thought maybe it was intended to be used together with a bare async_test.
  103. # [10:56] <Ms2ger> You ask me like you think I have code from a year ago paged in :)
  104. # [10:57] <gsnedders> Well, you should. Obviously.
  105. # [10:57] <philipj> Ms2ger: I expect nothing less from you :)
  106. # [10:57] <philipj> annevk: Do you expect that Gecko will implement webkitMatchesSelector()?
  107. # [10:58] <philipj> annevk: And do you have the full story about how it went from matchesSelector() to just matches()?
  108. # [10:58] <annevk> philipj: I expect we will
  109. # [10:59] <Ms2ger> I expect we have
  110. # [10:59] <Ms2ger> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1216193 shipping in 44
  111. # [10:59] <philipj> Ms2ger: was this the first webkit-prefixed method to be added to Gecko?
  112. # [10:59] <annevk> philipj: not the full story, I ended up taking it from http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/selectors-api2/ which I assumed had agreement
  113. # [11:00] <annevk> philipj: I believe it was renamed because the other name was too long
  114. # [11:00] <philipj> annevk: I'm using this as a case study in the talk Rick Byers and I are giving at BlinkOn
  115. # [11:00] <annevk> philipj: it has been matches() since June 2012 it seems in the draft
  116. # [11:00] <annevk> philipj: well, per the published draft, not sure when it changed in the editor's copy
  117. # [11:01] <philipj> annevk: jQuery noticed the change in 2013-03: http://bugs.jquery.com/ticket/13629
  118. # [11:02] <philipj> Ms2ger: grep says the answer is yes. Would you happen to know what the first webkit-prefixed CSS properties in Gecko were?
  119. # [11:05] <philipj> Ms2ger: And if you have any good stories about site compat that contains lessons for Blink developers, I'm making a collection :)
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  121. # [11:08] <Ms2ger> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=837211 is relevant
  122. # [11:08] <Ms2ger> Also https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1132745
  123. # [11:08] <Ms2ger> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1160281
  124. # [11:09] <annevk> philipj: ah right, only the prefix variant was implemented
  125. # [11:09] <annevk> philipj: that's probably why editors assumed the change was safe while in fact it was already too late
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  127. # [11:14] <philipj> annevk: Right, it was prefixed only for a very long time, and I guess this was before anyone had understood what fallback code looks like, or they thought that libraries would update and propagate the change.
  128. # [11:15] <philipj> Ms2ger: thanks!
  129. # [11:15] <Ms2ger> > they thought that libraries would update and propagate the change.
  130. # [11:15] <Ms2ger> lol
  131. # [11:15] <philipj> Ms2ger: right, but there must have been a time where that seemed plausible
  132. # [11:16] <gsnedders> and they thought that people would update the libraries
  133. # [11:18] <philipj> gotta go
  134. # [11:26] * jgraham doesn't remember a time when people believed that libraries would update
  135. # [11:26] <jgraham> Well maybe in 2005 or something
  136. # [11:26] <jgraham> "people" being clueful people ofc
  137. # [11:26] <jgraham> Some peopel still think that
  138. # [11:32] <annevk> philipj: I think it's very similar to the fullscreen situation
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  140. # [11:32] <annevk> philipj: which I suppose is largely my fault for insisting fullscreen is a single word
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  154. # [13:07] <annevk> mkwst: https://github.com/whatwg/fetch/issues/39#issuecomment-141043738
  155. # [13:09] <annevk> Would https://github.com/whatwg/fetch/issues/19 be fitting for the HTML Standard?
  156. # [13:09] * annevk isn't quite sure where to move it
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  162. # [13:50] <philipj> annevk: yep, I guess that one's on you :)
  163. # [13:50] <annevk> fullScreen is fairly hideous though
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  169. # [14:58] <Ms2ger> annevk, so is webkitFullScreen ;)
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  173. # [15:03] <philipj> annevk: navigator.onLine is my favorite capitalization
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  177. # [15:06] <gsnedders> philipj: wat.
  178. # [15:07] <philipj> gsnedders: awesome, right?
  179. # [15:08] <gsnedders> philipj: if by "awesome" you mean "makes me want to rip my eyes out", yes.
  180. # [15:08] <philipj> yes, isn't that what the dictionary says?
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  182. # [15:09] <gsnedders> uhhh
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  208. # [16:27] <zcorpan> https://zcorpan.github.io/live-webvtt-viewer/
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  211. # [16:28] <zcorpan> i don't know why it doesn't work in firefox
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  215. # [16:34] <gsnedders> Hixie: the csswg-test contains tests originally from hixie.ch that have been imported, but with some images. I presume you're happy licensing-wise to include them?
  216. # [16:34] <gsnedders> Hixie: with some images still referencing hixie.ch, I mean
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  257. # [16:56] <rits> annevk: Hello, submitted the proposal, do you want to suggest any particular ideas for it, the deadline is today for the proposal submissions
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  263. # [17:08] <wanderview> JakeA: ping
  264. # [17:09] <wanderview> sorry, unping
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  266. # [17:11] <JakeA> wanderview: no worries! Let me know if there's anything else you don't need me for :D
  267. # [17:11] <wanderview> I found the text in the spec
  268. # [17:12] <wanderview> JakeA: was wondering if the waitUntil() timeout killing a long running worker was spec'd to fail install... and it is
  269. # [17:12] <JakeA> ahhhh, yeah, that sounds like the right thing to do
  270. # [17:12] <wanderview> " If task is discarded or the script has been aborted by the termination of installingWorker, set installFailed to true."
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  275. # [17:36] <hsivonen> https://streams.spec.whatwg.org/#transform-stream talks about a text decoder being a kind of a transform stream
  276. # [17:36] <hsivonen> but
  277. # [17:37] <hsivonen> streames otherwise seem to deal with bytes while text in JS is UTF-16
  278. # [17:37] <hsivonen> are there actually byte streams and UTF-16 streams?
  279. # [17:37] <wanderview> hsivonen: ReadableStream() can pass chunks of any type.... its up to the producer of the stream to say what the type is
  280. # [17:37] <hsivonen> searching the spec for the obvious words doesn't result in search matches explaining this
  281. # [17:38] <hsivonen> wanderview: ok. https://streams.spec.whatwg.org/#chunk could use way more explanatory text
  282. # [17:39] <wanderview> hsivonen: if you don't mind, best way to get it fixed is to file an issue: https://github.com/whatwg/streams/issues/new
  283. # [17:39] <hsivonen> wanderview: ok
  284. # [17:40] <hsivonen> is there a place where text decoding in Streams is being specced for the case where the stream with Uint8Array chunks doesn't guarantee chunks to contain complete byte sequences from the point of view of an encoding?
  285. # [17:41] <hsivonen> i.e. does the text decoder transform exist spec-wise yet?
  286. # [17:42] <wanderview> hsivonen: I'm not sure if work has begin to integrate streams into other APIs yet, besides fetch()
  287. # [17:42] <wanderview> hsivonen: I guess Domenic would know, though
  288. # [17:42] <hsivonen> wanderview: OK. thanks.
  289. # [17:43] <wanderview> hsivonen: there is some question if things should take streams or Response objects... since Response objects also have headers
  290. # [17:47] <wanderview> hsivonen: it seems you could also file a bug against the encoding spec to add streams support: https://github.com/whatwg/encoding/issues
  291. # [17:48] <hsivonen> wanderview: OK
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  296. # [17:54] <hsivonen> it looks like TextDecoder spec already has streaming support but eof handling in the streaming case doesn't work
  297. # [17:54] <hsivonen> as in
  298. # [17:54] <hsivonen> doesn't work in our impl
  299. # [17:54] <hsivonen> and I don't see the spec covering the case properly
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  301. # [17:57] <wanderview> JakeA: what about if the browser timeouts out activateEvent.waitUntil()... is the SW still active? the spec suggests it should be... see steps 16 and 17 here: https://slightlyoff.github.io/ServiceWorker/spec/service_worker/index.html#activation-algorithm
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  305. # [18:05] * wanderview files an issue
  306. # [18:06] <annevk> rits: I was planning to review the proposals sometime this week, several have applied thus far
  307. # [18:06] <annevk> rits: no thoughts at the moment
  308. # [18:07] <annevk> wanderview: did you see my request for review?
  309. # [18:07] <annevk> wanderview: https://github.com/whatwg/fetch/pull/146
  310. # [18:07] <wanderview> annevk: no, I did not
  311. # [18:07] <wanderview> I'll look today
  312. # [18:08] <rits> annevk: ok sure :)
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  314. # [18:10] <annevk> wanderview: thank you
  315. # [18:11] <annevk> rits: still recovering a bit from the jet lag too, got back last night
  316. # [18:12] <wanderview> JakeA: found the answer to my last question... filed a spec issue for a note, though: https://github.com/slightlyoff/ServiceWorker/issues/776
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  318. # [18:13] <rits> annevk: oh, no problem, you took out the time to review my application in your busy schedule that was enough for me, thanks a lot for that :)
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  320. # [18:19] <annevk> wanderview: btw, opaque stream is basically a stream for all intents and purposes but only privileged code (read: the user agent) gets to see the bytes
  321. # [18:21] <annevk> wanderview: and thank you in advance for the review
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  323. # [18:24] <wanderview> annevk: this seems to create a whole new vector of opaque tainting to be implemented...
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  325. # [18:25] <wanderview> annevk: pass an opaque stream to a DOM implemented decoder, and the decoder has to produce an opaque stream, right?
  326. # [18:25] <wanderview> etc, etc
  327. # [18:30] <yhirano_> wanderview: what do you mean by "a DOM implemented decoder"?
  328. # [18:31] <wanderview> yhirano_: like if https://encoding.spec.whatwg.org/ grew support for streams... it would in theory be a transform
  329. # [18:31] <wanderview> yhirano_: yet, if it took an opaque stream it would now have to be smart enough to pass on the opaqueness, etc
  330. # [18:33] <wanderview> yhirano_: maybe we need this, but it seems to add some non-trivial complexity
  331. # [18:33] <wanderview> yhirano_: for example, var r = new Response(url, { body: anOpaqueBody }) gives a non-opaque Response with an opaque body... that has to be propagated through Cache, etc...
  332. # [18:33] <yhirano_> wanderview: Body.text() and so on don't recognize opaque streams. I thought it would be similar for other decoders
  333. # [18:35] <wanderview> yhirano_: well I guess thats the question... what recognizes these things and what doesn't... its hard to tell from the current spec issue
  334. # [18:38] <yhirano_> wanderview: agreed.
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  383. # [20:49] <Krinkle> I'm trying to figure out what the intended guarantees are with regards to requestIdleCallback. Specifically around what happens if the request context gets closed before the queue is exhausted. Maybe when the second parameter is passed, it is expected to run in case of page unload? I'm implementing a very basic fallback but want to make sure behaviour is the
  384. # [20:49] <Krinkle> same.
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  386. # [20:49] <Krinkle> The semantics rather.
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  419. # [23:11] <jsbell> odinho: Just for the sake of process, do you want to give the objectStoreNames test approval via https://critic.hoppipolla.co.uk/r/5899 ?
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  421. # [23:18] <odinho> I prefer critic, -- but for some reason didn't use it on the first of your reviews :)
  422. # [23:19] <odinho> jsbell: critic is not required, -- can use the GH review system (though it's quite bad for bigger reviews) :) But I clicked the button in critic now :9
  423. # [23:20] <jsbell> odinho: Okay, just don't want to face the angry wrath of j-graham :)
  424. # [23:23] <odinho> ^_*
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  427. # [23:37] <jsbell> odinho: want to do the merge? (I seem to recall instructions saying "do not hit the merge button in the web ui" but not finding them now...)
  428. # [23:37] <jsbell> Sorry, feeling rusty. :P
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  430. # [23:41] <odinho> :P
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