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  19. # [01:06] <rniwa> MikeSmith: yt?
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  25. # [01:34] <MikeSmith> botie, inform rniwa here now
  26. # [01:34] <botie> will do
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  208. # [08:59] <hsivonen> github is supposed to be great for specs, yet https://w3c.github.io/webappsec-referrer-policy/ is a month out of date
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  218. # [09:08] <hsivonen> annevk_: you wanted the DOM attribute to be referrerPolicy but the spec says referrerpolicy. are you OK with that or is there a spec bug?
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  238. # [09:47] <annevk> hsivonen: that seems like a bug
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  240. # [09:49] <annevk> hsivonen: does the specification even define IDL?
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  243. # [09:53] <annevk> hsivonen: I filed https://github.com/w3c/webappsec-referrer-policy/issues/3 to keep track
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  252. # [10:18] <annevk> Ms2ger: https://github.com/whatwg/html/pull/304
  253. # [10:19] <Ms2ger> What's wrong with my commit messages?
  254. # [10:19] <Ms2ger> Also, no point in squashing, they're separate changes
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  259. # [10:38] <yoav> Domenic/annevk: When talking about running a validation step in the value setter on https://github.com/whatwg/dom/pull/103#issuecomment-153641224, where you talking about https://dom.spec.whatwg.org/#dom-attr-value ?
  260. # [10:39] <annevk> yoav: no, I think he meant DOMSettableTokenList, if anything
  261. # [10:39] <annevk> yoav: though I'm not sure that's needed
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  263. # [10:39] <yoav> OK, that makes more sense
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  265. # [10:40] <yoav> annevk: leaving it out for now then
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  269. # [10:44] <Domenic> I think it's needed...
  270. # [10:44] <annevk> Ms2ger: you can just force push to your Ms2ger:hyperlink branch
  271. # [10:45] <Ms2ger> Not worth my time
  272. # [10:45] <annevk> Domenic: why? that just forwards to setAttribute() today
  273. # [10:45] <annevk> Ms2ger: wow
  274. # [10:45] <Domenic> annevk: hmm, fair...
  275. # [10:45] <Domenic> wait, that was a real ragequit?
  276. # [10:45] <annevk> I guess so
  277. # [10:45] <Domenic> wow
  278. # [10:47] <Domenic> Sigh, Attr. Just when I reimplemented them in jsdom as being simple non-Nodes, too...
  279. # [10:47] <annevk> Ms2ger: does that mean you object to any of us merging the changes?
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  281. # [10:49] <jgraham> FWIW I think being asine about things like the length of commit messages is a net negative
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  283. # [10:50] <jgraham> It wastes the time of people who have put in the effort to make a change, but the benefits provided are super-marginal
  284. # [10:50] <yoav> Domenic: Were you referring to the DOMSettableTokenList's setter?
  285. # [10:51] <Domenic> yoav: yeah, but I guess annevk's point that it currently just forwards to setAttribute is convincing enough to leave as-is...
  286. # [10:51] <annevk> jgraham: yeah, don't disagree, I was happy to do it for Ms2ger
  287. # [10:51] <annevk> jgraham: not sure what to do now though
  288. # [10:51] <yoav> Domenic: OK
  289. # [10:52] <Ms2ger> The commits are still there, you can make whatever change you like when merging
  290. # [10:52] <jgraham> annevk: Pull his branch, create your own PR and merge that
  291. # [10:52] <Ms2ger> I just have no interest in spending any more time on it
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  294. # [10:53] <Domenic> yes, in the future please just say "OK, can you do that for me please" instead of closing the PR...
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  296. # [10:56] <Ms2ger> That would sound like I think it's a good idea
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  315. # [11:24] <gsnedders> jgraham: OTOH, I think commit messages like "update webplatform-tests" are a net negative
  316. # [11:25] <gsnedders> jgraham: there's some middle ground to be found here
  317. # [11:29] <annevk> Somewhat sad that https://github.com/whatwg/html/graphs/contributors is still broken
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  323. # [11:38] <annevk> Domenic: btw, happy to have you here, but I'd rather you enjoy your vacation a bit more
  324. # [11:39] <Domenic> annevk: yeah, just took a couple hours downtime at the new hotel to catch up on things :). Going back out into Tokyo momentarily!
  325. # [11:39] <jgraham> gsnedders: I agree that sucky commit messages suck. I disagree that good commit messages that are 60 characters long are unacceptable
  326. # [11:40] <jgraham> In the case of wpt the fact that we really want direct contributions from browsers ofc affects the amount of leeway we are prepared to have in the style
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  344. # [12:44] <annevk> wanderview: https://github.com/whatwg/fetch/pull/146
  345. # [12:44] <annevk> mkwst: you might want to have a look too
  346. # [12:45] <annevk> mkwst: it's pretty easy to make a refactor that would enable code sharing between service worker responses and network responses
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  353. # [13:24] <hsivonen> annevk: thanks
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  363. # [14:01] <annevk> hsivonen: would you be okay with going from "Encoding Standard" to "Text Encoding Standard"?
  364. # [14:02] <annevk> I kinda like single-word titles, but I don't feel super strongly about it either
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  368. # [14:13] <hsivonen> annevk: I think the current title is cooler, but I wouldn't oppose to the longer title. Where is the longer title coming from? Didn't even the W3C go to CR with the current title?
  369. # [14:18] <philipj> Domenic: a quick experiment to see if making Attr not a Node in Blink would actually allow any crufty code to be removed would be interesting
  370. # [14:18] <philipj> I kind of suspect it won't, it's like these objects inherit a lot of useles stuff that just doesn't matter, and ignoring those extra bits is ~0 lines of code
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  380. # [14:55] <jgraham> hsivonen: dsinger (I think) was complaining that lots of/all data other than text also has an encoding (e.g. media files)
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  398. # [16:03] <annevk> hsivonen: https://github.com/whatwg/encoding/issues/11
  399. # [16:04] <annevk> hsivonen: I agree about the current title being cooler
  400. # [16:04] <annevk> philipj: yeah, I was thinking about the changes required to the DOM Standard and I don't think it amounts to much
  401. # [16:05] <annevk> philipj: there's a few extra places that have to consider Attr, but not many
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  413. # [16:20] <annevk> wanderview: yeah, heard that before about HTML diff :-/
  414. # [16:21] <annevk> wanderview: the other problem is spotting markup errors
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  448. # [18:26] <annevk> MikeSmith: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_activity.cgi?id=26734 last change is spam
  449. # [18:26] <annevk> MikeSmith: do we have to undo that manually?
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  482. # [19:44] <jsx> What does a "document environment" mean? A web page?
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  502. # [20:25] <jsx> Thanks wanderview.
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  585. # Session Close: Thu Nov 05 00:00:00 2015

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