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  253. # [09:59] <annevk> jgraham_: why does the port for web-platform.test keep changing?
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  258. # [10:04] <jgraham> annevk: By default it should start one server on port 8000 and one on a random free port
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  260. # [10:05] <jgraham> In general you aren't supposed to rely on the specific port in tests (but obviously for actually running them having a known port helps, hence 8000)
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  262. # [10:05] <annevk> jgraham: the random port makes it hard with popup preferences
  263. # [10:05] <annevk> jgraham: but 8000 helps
  264. # [10:06] <jgraham> Do popup preferences also consider port?
  265. # [10:07] <annevk> jgraham: they do in Gecko these days
  266. # [10:07] <jgraham> Oh
  267. # [10:07] <annevk> jgraham: we changed from hostname to origin checks for everything a while back
  268. # [10:07] <annevk> jgraham: and * does not work
  269. # [10:07] <annevk> jgraham: web-platform.test:* that is
  270. # [10:08] <jgraham> For something like popup blocking that seems unfortunate from a UI point of view
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  272. # [10:12] <annevk> jgraham: I also keep having this change to tools "Subproject commit d93ad88336e5933b158129596c196d568ae15f82-dirty"
  273. # [10:12] <annevk> jgraham: even when I do git reset --hard
  274. # [10:12] <jgraham> Yeah, submodules :(
  275. # [10:12] <jgraham> I think something in the .gitignore needs to be updated
  276. # [10:12] <jgraham> I'll have a look in a moment
  277. # [10:14] <annevk> I wonder if I should file a bug on the popup preferences thing... It seems kind of lame to file this bug for a test framework
  278. # [10:19] <jgraham> Well I can't imagine anyone is going to think it's a P1
  279. # [10:20] <jgraham> FWIW I think I might have the popup blocker disabled. Herd immunity and all that
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  293. # [10:37] <jgraham> annevk: What does git status show if you run it from tools/
  294. # [10:39] <annevk> HEAD detached at d93ad88
  295. # [10:39] <annevk> nothing to commit, working directory clean
  296. # [10:39] <annevk> jgraham: ^
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  298. # [10:43] <Ms2ger> Where's the chromium dashboard for features they measure?
  299. # [10:44] <jgraham> annevk: Hmm. To be clear, what happens if you run git submodule update --recursive in the main wpt checkout?
  300. # [10:44] <annevk> Ms2ger: https://www.chromestatus.com/metrics/feature/timeline/popularity
  301. # [10:45] <annevk> jgraham: that seems to return pretty quickly
  302. # [10:45] <Ms2ger> Thanks
  303. # [10:46] <Ms2ger> Doesn't look like MouseEvent#toElement is going anywhere: https://www.chromestatus.com/metrics/feature/timeline/popularity/507
  304. # [10:48] <jgraham> annevk: And git status doesn't change?
  305. # [10:48] <annevk> jgraham: correct
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  308. # [11:02] <jgraham> r? https://github.com/w3c/wpt-tools/pull/38 https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/2328
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  311. # [11:04] <Ms2ger> Looking
  312. # [11:04] <Ms2ger> jgraham, conflicts on wpt
  313. # [11:06] <jgraham> Oh, dammit
  314. # [11:06] <jgraham> I didn't notice I was on a strange branch
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  316. # [11:09] <jgraham> Ms2ger: Try again
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  323. # [11:40] <annevk> Why does html/ have all these empty directories with .gitkeep files in them?
  324. # [11:40] <jochen__> annevk: do you know what's up with referrerPolicy attribute over at mozilla?
  325. # [11:40] <annevk> Is there an easy way to find out if there are any noreferrer tests?
  326. # [11:41] <annevk> jochen__: I think hsivonen was looking for confirmation from you that the name is set and agreed upon?
  327. # [11:41] <annevk> jochen__: see https://github.com/w3c/webappsec-referrer-policy/issues/3#issuecomment-156685673
  328. # [11:42] <annevk> jochen__: I haven't really followed any corresponding issues in Mozilla's Bugzilla though
  329. # [11:42] * annevk looks
  330. # [11:43] <Ms2ger> html/browsers/windows/browsing-context-names/001.html:<title>Link with target=_blank, rel=noreferrer</title>
  331. # [11:43] <jochen__> I don't understand why he even asks
  332. # [11:43] <Ms2ger> html/semantics/links/linktypes/contains.json: "original_id": "link-type-noreferrer"
  333. # [11:43] <jochen__> the only reason this doesn't make much progress is because somebody else from mozilla wants to spec it, but only sends a pull request every few weeks :-/
  334. # [11:45] <annevk> jochen__: that person is not from Mozilla
  335. # [11:45] <annevk> jochen__: pretty sure that person is employed by Yahoo!
  336. # [11:45] <annevk> jochen__: why is it an unreasonable question?
  337. # [11:46] <annevk> jochen__: I think hsivonen just wants to be certain about the name change, since he was asked to review https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1187357 (which appears to be the corresponding bug)
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  339. # [11:47] <jochen__> annevk: no, the question is not unreasonable
  340. # [11:48] <jochen__> guess I should just update the spec myself
  341. # [11:49] <annevk> jochen__: seems reasonable if Scott is not active/away
  342. # [11:49] <philipj> annevk, mkwst, where is https://url.spec.whatwg.org/#concept-urlencoded-string-parser actually defined?
  343. # [11:49] <annevk> philipj: that is a definition?
  344. # [11:50] <annevk> philipj: it's a tad confusing that "parsing" is not part of the link though
  345. # [11:50] <philipj> the URLSearchParams constructor refers to it, so I'm looking for something that actually splits of '&' and so on
  346. # [11:50] <annevk> philipj: right, click on "application/x-www-form-urlencoded"
  347. # [11:51] <philipj> oh, well that wasn't obvious :)
  348. # [11:51] <philipj> since it was under "Hooks" I assumed I should be looking for it in some other spec
  349. # [11:51] <Ms2ger> That link should probably include "parsing" too
  350. # [11:52] <annevk> Ms2ger: yeah, just said that
  351. # [11:52] <annevk> Ms2ger: PRs welcome
  352. # [11:52] <Ms2ger> Do
  353. # [11:52] <Ms2ger> h
  354. # [11:54] * philipj does it
  355. # [11:55] <annevk> jgraham: so apart from finding it hard to find tests, I'm also having a hard time to figure out where to put tests
  356. # [11:56] <Ms2ger> I guess your test spans a number of spec sections
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  358. # [12:03] <philipj> annevk: https://github.com/whatwg/url/pull/73
  359. # [12:05] <annevk> Ms2ger: yeah, also, I've no idea how to do this properly
  360. # [12:05] <annevk> So I spawn a new window; I need to test something in that window, then the only way I can communicate back is through document.cookie or localStorage
  361. # [12:06] <annevk> Can I use document.cookie and localStorage without fear of breaking stuff?
  362. # [12:06] <annevk> Or do I need to use some kind of framework that prevents misuse?
  363. # [12:08] <philipj> annevk: if you have arranged things so that there is only ever one things that writes to a specific localStorage key, and the others just read, then I can't see what implementation strategy would break that
  364. # [12:08] <philipj> but perhaps I need more imagination :)
  365. # [12:09] <annevk> philipj: my problem is mostly other tests
  366. # [12:09] <annevk> philipj: but I guess if I make the name unique enough and remove it afterwards there's not much that can go wrong
  367. # [12:09] <annevk> philipj: of course, testing anything cross-origin still seems hard
  368. # [12:10] <philipj> well then localStorage isn't part of the equation anyway :)
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  370. # [12:14] <jgraham> annevk: There's no generic way of cleaning up all possible state that a test could leave, although there are affordances in testharness.js for writing custom cleanup
  371. # [12:14] <jgraham> test.add_cleanup(callback)
  372. # [12:15] <jgraham> annevk: It being hard to find tests and hard to know where to put tests are two sides of the same coin, really. I'm not sure what the solution is, especially for cross-cutting tests
  373. # [12:18] <annevk> philipj: yeah, I basically don't see how that could be tested
  374. # [12:18] <annevk> philipj: manually I suppose
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  378. # [12:51] <annevk> jgraham: so web-platform-tests now has three review systems?
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  380. # [12:52] <jgraham> annevk: I have no idea why reviewable is on
  381. # [12:52] <jgraham> Ms2ger: ^?
  382. # [12:53] <jgraham> I mean if people prefer that to critic we can use it instead when I have my bot for automatically cc-ing potential reviewers done
  383. # [12:53] <Ms2ger> I wanted to use it somewhere, but I don't remember why, feel free to turn it off again for now
  384. # [12:55] <jgraham> OK
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  453. # [15:25] <annevk> JonathanNeal: seems like something for #css on W3C IRC?
  454. # [15:27] <annevk> JakeA: if for some reason a document terminates a fetch, should the service worker one keep trucking? Should there be some way to forward the signal?
  455. # [15:28] <JonathanNeal> annevk: thanks, i wasn’t sure where the discussion belonged
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  461. # [15:44] <JakeA> annevk: I'm hoping it could cancel the promise passed to respondWith
  462. # [15:45] <JakeA> But the fetch event's respondWith and waitUntil are no longer valid for keeping the SW open if the fetch is aborted
  463. # [15:47] <annevk> Hmm
  464. # [15:47] <annevk> I don't think any of that is specified
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  468. # [15:57] <wanderview> annevk: JakeA: we're only talking if the service worker does fetch(evt.request), right?
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  471. # [15:58] <wanderview> oh, I see... cancelling the promise to respondWith() would work for any fetch()
  472. # [15:59] <wanderview> although I wonder if it would play havoc with people trying to do read-through-caching strategies... they may still want to update cache in those cacses
  473. # [15:59] <wanderview> cases
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  480. # [16:08] <Ms2ger> > By all means, I'm no expert on collapsing margins since I just learned about them today, but does the spec really make sense...
  481. # [16:08] <Ms2ger> Oh poor soul
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  489. # [16:30] <annevk> wanderview: how does cancelling respondWith() affect an ongoing fetch() from the service worker?
  490. # [16:31] <wanderview> annevk: I was assuming the cancellable promises and aborting fetch would be spec'd at this point
  491. # [16:32] <annevk> wanderview: hmm, I guess we can wait for that until we clarify this further
  492. # [16:32] <annevk> wanderview: it does kind of make sense that if you do a passthrough the cancellation affects both
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  494. # [16:36] <wanderview> annevk: its unclear to me if all things the SW might do will be cancellable, though... like I haven't heard anyone suggest cache.put() should cancellable
  495. # [16:37] <annevk> wanderview: cancelable by the developer or cancelable by the user?
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  497. # [16:37] <annevk> wanderview: or cancelable due to some system fault?
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  499. # [16:44] <wanderview> annevk: I mean something like cache.put(req, resp).cancel();
  500. # [16:45] <wanderview> annevk: something like cache.add(req) might need to be cancellable since it does a fetch() internally... but I guess I wonder if we should allow cancelling the disk transaction
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  504. # [17:04] <annevk> jgraham: Ms2ger: that change you landed to ignore tools doesn't actually ignore it
  505. # [17:05] <annevk> jgraham: Ms2ger: my local checkout claims I have changed the commit value to d93ad88336e5933b158129596c196d568ae15f82 (no longer has dirty at the end)
  506. # [17:05] <annevk> jgraham: Ms2ger: running "git submodule update --recursive" did not help
  507. # [17:05] <Ms2ger> annevk, try git submodule update --recursive
  508. # [17:05] <Ms2ger> Bah
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  512. # [17:15] <annevk> jgraham: apart from that, question, where do manual tests go?
  513. # [17:17] <Ms2ger> Same place as automated tests, but called foo-manual.html
  514. # [17:17] <annevk> Okay
  515. # [17:18] <annevk> ta
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  517. # [17:19] <Ms2ger> Np
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  544. # [18:51] <annevk> Ms2ger: jgraham: so I did the "git submodule update --recursive" thing in the wrong branch
  545. # [18:52] <annevk> Ms2ger: jgraham: seems all is good now
  546. # [18:52] <Ms2ger> \o/
  547. # [18:53] <annevk> yeah that is actually pretty much \o/
  548. # [18:54] <annevk> this was quite annoying
  549. # [18:59] <jgraham> Submodules have rough edges
  550. # [18:59] <jgraham> I would happily not use them here, except css
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  553. # [19:03] <annevk> Oops, I broke Critic
  554. # [19:03] <annevk> Did not appreciate force push
  555. # [19:04] <jgraham> Which PR?
  556. # [19:04] <annevk> jgraham: https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/2329
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  558. # [19:12] <jgraham> annevk: Well working again now fwiw
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  579. # [20:00] <smaug____> is there some way in chrome to make it open about:blank by default
  580. # [20:00] <smaug____> in new tabs
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