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  147. # [10:20] <annevk> philipj: does it matter what order I fix the attributeNode issues in?
  148. # [10:20] <annevk> philipj: seems relatively straightforward to fix the alias one
  149. # [10:24] <philipj> annevk: no, the order doesn't matter to me, but when I make the change in Blink I'd like to have a good sense that the spec, Blink and Gecko have precisely the same behavior as a goal
  150. # [10:24] <philipj> Which is looking pretty hopeful right now.
  151. # [10:25] <annevk> philipj: I thought we were aligning the spec with Blink?
  152. # [10:25] <annevk> philipj: oh, the other bits
  153. # [10:25] <annevk> makes sense
  154. # [10:25] <philipj> annevk: sorry, by order I mean the order of fixing issues :)
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  156. # [10:47] <Ms2ger> philipj, and tests? :)
  157. # [10:48] <philipj> Ms2ger: for this attribute mess I was actually thinking I'd to it web-platform-tests style, yeah
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  167. # [11:07] <Ms2ger> annevk, did location/workerlocation ever have searchparams?
  168. # [11:08] <annevk> Ms2ger: not sure about WorkerLocation, but yes
  169. # [11:08] <annevk> Ms2ger: it's a security hole though
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  171. # [11:08] <Ms2ger> All the more reason to add a test it's not supported, then :)
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  176. # [11:29] <Ms2ger> annevk, r? https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/2371
  177. # [11:30] <annevk> Ms2ger: worker.js is a convention for worker-only tests?
  178. # [11:31] <Ms2ger> annevk, a bit more than that; it automatically sets up the main-thread side
  179. # [11:31] <Ms2ger> Like http://w3c-test.org/XMLHttpRequest/XMLHttpRequest-withCredentials.worker
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  181. # [11:32] <annevk> Ms2ger: neat
  182. # [11:32] <annevk> Ms2ger: r+
  183. # [11:33] <annevk> Ms2ger: is there a bug on the directory listing not supporting this feature?
  184. # [11:33] <Ms2ger> I don't think so
  185. # [11:33] <Ms2ger> I'll file that
  186. # [11:33] <annevk> thank you
  187. # [11:36] <annevk> yoav: any ETA on https://github.com/whatwg/dom/pull/114?
  188. # [11:36] <annevk> yoav: it's not a big deal since I assume all implementers are still aware, but it might become one
  189. # [11:37] <Ms2ger> https://github.com/w3c/wpt-tools/issues/42
  190. # [11:37] <yoav> annevk: I was under the impression that it's still under active discussion regarding the best return values
  191. # [11:38] <yoav> but maybe I haven't throughly checked the latest news on that thread (been offline during WE and yesterday)
  192. # [11:38] <yoav> I'll go over all replies later today and align the PR accordingly
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  195. # [11:46] <zcorpan> annevk: why is searchParams a security hole on location?
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  197. # [11:49] <annevk> zcorpan: because Location can be seen cross-origin to some extent
  198. # [11:49] <annevk> zcorpan: and is all kinds of complicated
  199. # [11:49] <annevk> yoav: I see
  200. # [11:49] <annevk> yoav: ta
  201. # [11:51] <annevk> philipj: I don't understand your comment in https://github.com/whatwg/dom/issues/115 about losing order
  202. # [11:54] <annevk> zcorpan: https://github.com/annevk/html-cross-origin-objects/ has some notes on defining Location more accurately
  203. # [11:56] <zcorpan> annevk: so the problem is that it's an object and we don't want to figure out how to support it in a secure way, because location is complicated enough already?
  204. # [11:59] <annevk> zcorpan: it would basically amount to introducing a new kind of URLSearchParams that is safe
  205. # [12:00] <philipj> annevk: commented again, does it make sense now?
  206. # [12:00] <annevk> zcorpan: at which point it seems better to just require var loc = new URL(location); /* manipulation here */ location = loc to do some manipulation
  207. # [12:01] <zcorpan> annevk: ok. thx
  208. # [12:01] <annevk> philipj: it seems with the getAttributeNamesNS API you wouldn't lose that, right?
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  210. # [12:03] <philipj> annevk: oh, you mean that would return *all* the attributes?
  211. # [12:03] <philipj> I assumed you would split them into two buckets
  212. # [12:04] <annevk> philipj: the first would return all the qualified names
  213. # [12:04] <annevk> philipj: but yes, both would return all
  214. # [12:04] <annevk> philipj: just like setAttribute / setAttributeNS also both operate on all
  215. # [12:06] <zcorpan> can't the implementation avoid creating the Attrs if you only access the .name? or is that kind of lazy creation super-hard for some reason?
  216. # [12:11] <annevk> Try to implement it in JavaScript and see how easy it is? :-) I'm sure that kind of thing can be done, the question I guess is how much complexity should we put in the engine when we can expose something that wasn't really well-exposed thus far that would avoid doing all that...
  217. # [12:22] <zcorpan> annevk: i wouldn't be surprised if Presto does something like this
  218. # [12:23] <Ms2ger> zcorpan, what would you access the name on, then?
  219. # [12:24] <Ms2ger> Or do you mean var name = element.attributes[0].name; would magically collapse to fetching the name from somewhere else, or something?
  220. # [12:24] <zcorpan> Ms2ger: magic? proxy something? i dunno
  221. # [12:25] <Ms2ger> Sounds hard in SpiderMonkey, at least
  222. # [12:25] <zcorpan> ok
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  258. # [15:46] <gsnedders> Why are we using a bash file instead of a Makefile for the building stuff?
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  260. # [15:49] <jgraham> Wow, talk about out of the frying pan and into the fire
  261. # [15:50] <jgraham> Although the answer seems to be "becase that's what Hixie did"
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  264. # [16:04] <gsnedders> :)
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  266. # [16:04] <gsnedders> That's what I thought.
  267. # [16:05] <gsnedders> There's just so many comments like "We need to check if x file has changed before we avoid doing this". Which is, well, what Make is great at.
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  271. # [16:19] <MikeSmith> it's great for saving time if the compile times are significant
  272. # [16:19] <MikeSmith> which they're not in our case
  273. # [16:20] <MikeSmith> so IMHO it'd be overkill to change it now
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  275. # [16:21] <MikeSmith> though that said, myself I would have written it as a makefile to begin with
  276. # [16:21] <MikeSmith> I guess one argument is that it's easy to write a makfile that's not portable
  277. # [16:22] <MikeSmith> or that at least will break on windows/dos
  278. # [16:22] <MikeSmith> I mean, easy to accidentally write one that won't work on windows
  279. # [16:23] <MikeSmith> or won't work without GNU make
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  281. # [16:23] <Ms2ger> As opposed to bash? :)
  282. # [16:23] <MikeSmith> yeah, good point
  283. # [16:23] <jgraham> It's also easy to write a write-only makefile
  284. # [16:23] <MikeSmith> fair enough
  285. # [16:23] <MikeSmith> jgraham: true that too
  286. # [16:24] <MikeSmith> anyway, ain't broke don't fix it and all that
  287. # [16:25] <gsnedders> aye
  288. # [16:25] <MikeSmith> at least we're not at maven vs gradle vs sbt
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  290. # [16:26] <gsnedders> I do want to reach to a point where you can checkout the spec at a given revision and get the spec at that revision. With so many external deps, it can be hard to tell when things actually changed
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  292. # [16:26] <gsnedders> I don't really care about the caniuse and bugzilla stuff, I only mean the normative content
  293. # [16:35] <Ms2ger> Pretty sure the html spec doesn't do reproducible builds
  294. # [16:35] <Ms2ger> Neither does any other spec, of course
  295. # [16:35] <Ms2ger> Maybe WebIDL
  296. # [16:39] <gsnedders> only because of xspec xref though, right?
  297. # [16:41] <Ms2ger> Also bikeshed/anolis/... versions
  298. # [16:42] <Ms2ger> And obviously the datestamp, but let's ignore that
  299. # [16:42] <gsnedders> really the build tools don't change enough for that to really be relevant, IMO
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  442. # [22:15] <Krinkle> JakeA: Any chance https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=393466 could get a little push? it'd be nice to drop the user-agent sniffing based polyfill we have for it now.
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  484. # [23:15] <Domenic> Krinkle: might have better luck in Mozilla IRC #accessibility; I hear that is where a11y browser engineers hang out
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  488. # [23:22] <Krinkle> Domenic: OK. Note though that despite its name, accesskeys are imho not an accessibility feature. More a power user feature. At least on Wikipedia it's historically been a feature much used, and never with javascript.
  489. # [23:25] <tantek> yeah that sounds about right
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  494. # [23:34] <Domenic> Krinkle: sounds like a feature that will not be prioritized by a browser that is focused on mobile...
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  496. # [23:35] <Krinkle> It should be a simple patch though. And it's part of the DOM spec. These kind of random gaps make it suck to develop for the web.
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  498. # [23:37] <Krinkle> or maybe we should remove it from the spec. But this cycle of things being added to the spec, one browser implementing it, and then usually years of silence and uncertainty of whether the rest is going to follow is just weird from an outsider perspective. This feature in particular is probably "old enough" that it "would be done differently" if it were
  499. # [23:37] <Krinkle> proposed today, but I really hope there is some kind of process by which vendors are involved earlier so that there's more ability to optimise for the future.
  500. # [23:41] <Domenic> Krinkle: ever considered contributing to Chrome? :)
  501. # [23:42] <Krinkle> I have. But I simply don't have the capacity to add that. I'm already working a full time job with lots of open-source activity outside of that.
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