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  1. # Session Start: Sat Dec 05 00:00:00 2015
  2. # Session Ident: #whatwg
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  7. # [00:09] <miketaylr> Domenic: i just search https://github.com/WebKit/webkit/
  8. # [00:17] <jgraham> It seems unlikely we need to copy the Chrome U2F thing, to me. It's only being used on a handful of sites and they are theoretically capable of moving to a new API that doesn't suck; particularly if Microsoft are only implementing the new version too
  9. # [00:17] <jgraham> smaug____: ^
  10. # [00:19] <smaug____> jgraham: yeah, hopefully. dev.platform has the discussion
  11. # [00:19] <smaug____> apparently the new version is still rather early draft though
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  34. # [01:41] <roc> jgraham: it's the "theoretically" part that worries me
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  36. # [01:45] <jgraham> roc: Sure. But if it's both not *that* widely used and we have others also agreeing to only implement the new thing it seems more sensible to do that first and then go back and implement the old thing if there's an actual problem
  37. # [01:45] * xiinotulp is now known as plutoniix
  38. # [01:46] <roc> sure
  39. # [01:46] <roc> but every day Chrome implements this cool API and we don't is a problem
  40. # [01:47] <roc> er
  41. # [01:47] <jgraham> That's true of everything though. Is the cost of missing this one especially high?
  42. # [01:47] <roc> better to say: every day these sites work in Chrome and not Firefox is an actual problem
  43. # [01:48] <jgraham> I mean it doesn't actually stop sites working, does it? It just makes for more convenient authentication for a small group of users
  44. # [01:48] <roc> every day that feature of those sites works in Chrome and not Firefox is an actual problem
  45. # [01:49] <roc> maybe it's not a big deal in practice
  46. # [01:49] <roc> maybe it is
  47. # [01:51] <roc> we've been burned many times by Webkit or Blink exposing some non-standard API, which gets revised in a shiny standard API, which we implement, but too many sites stick with the non-standard or prefixed stuff and we're twisting in the wind
  48. # [01:51] <roc> I'm tired of it
  49. # [01:51] <TabAtkins> Yup. :/
  50. # [01:57] <roc> jgraham: maybe the right question to ask is: is Chrome willing to commit to implement the new thing *and* remove their nonstandard entry point, and at what date? If we don't like the answers we definitely need to implement the API people are actually using
  51. # [01:58] <roc> even if we do like the answers we still have to think how much we trust them :-)
  52. # [02:00] * roc has not forgotten the H.264 debacle
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  55. # [02:03] * TabAtkins was lied to about that, too.
  56. # [02:05] <jgraham> roc: So I absolutely don't think they'll remove the nonstandard thing. But the question is oppertunity cost. If we can get away with doing one implementation then the engineers that would have spent the time reverse engineering a second implementaion can instead work on some other feature that's needed to improve Gecko.
  57. # [02:05] <roc> fair
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  76. # [02:47] <caitp> I think webkit and blink developers often feel just as burned by not being able to remove or revise absolute broken crap
  77. # [02:56] <roc> yeah but it's not costing them market share
  78. # [02:56] <roc> just guilt
  79. # [02:56] <roc> and technical debt
  80. # [02:56] <roc> so "just as burned", I think not
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  87. # [03:18] <caitp> I don't know if people pick their mobile phone based on the stock web browser
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  90. # [03:19] <caitp> but still don't want to break those mobile sites
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