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  1. # Session Start: Wed Dec 09 00:00:00 2015
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  10. # [00:05] <jsbell> smaug____: No concrete answer for me, though I'd love to see it done. Just not a high priority
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  17. # [00:43] <nikkibee> I'm working on implementing more of the Fetch standard for Servo, and in talking with a previous developer on that, we discovered the Fetch standard had updated since they last worked with it
  18. # [00:44] <nikkibee> how often can I expect the Fetch standard to update with new details? is there like a general completeness rating for it?
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  20. # [00:45] <nikkibee> I'd like knowing more about the development of it, which isn't really apparent from glancing at like git commits
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  42. # [01:41] <jgraham> nikkibee: I think it updates whenever there are issues found, but annevk will know more
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  64. # [03:56] <annevk> What jgraham said is correct nikkibee, coupled with me finding time
  65. # [03:57] <annevk> That or someone submitting a PR, though that still requires review
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  70. # [04:33] <annevk> I wanted to give a super short introduction to some of the platform team tomorrow as to how/why they can get involved in standards: https://html5.org/temp/whatwg.html
  71. # [04:34] <annevk> Overnight feedback welcome, I have another 11h minus sleep and breakfast to make adjustments
  72. # [04:35] <annevk> I guess I should probably mention the rule of two implementations and tests in there somehow
  73. # [04:37] <annevk> Done
  74. # [04:40] <smaug____> as someone not doing any development in github, showing just basic reviewing workflow and such might be good
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  76. # [04:41] <nikkibee> annevk: alright, I did notice that when new updates are made, it's noted in multiple places, so I'll just keep an eye on that. and I can see the additions easily on github
  77. # [04:41] <annevk> nikkibee: yeah either subscribe on GitHub or follow https://twitter.com/fetchstandard
  78. # [04:41] <annevk> nikkibee: that's the state of the art
  79. # [04:41] <nikkibee> yep, I'm following the account
  80. # [04:41] <annevk> smaug____: that might be a tad hard within the five minutes I have
  81. # [04:42] <nikkibee> I was wondering if there's more meta level discussion available is all
  82. # [04:42] <annevk> smaug____: happy to have a longer session at some later point though
  83. # [04:42] <smaug____> ah
  84. # [04:42] * smaug____ just doesn't know if the spec source should follow some coding style rules etc
  85. # [04:43] <annevk> nikkibee: not sure what you mean by that, GitHub and sometimes certain mailing lists is all there is
  86. # [04:43] <annevk> nikkibee: we've had some in person discussion, but not a whole lot
  87. # [04:43] <annevk> smaug____: ah yes, that should be written in most of the README files these days
  88. # [04:43] <nikkibee> well I mean like, where I can figure out what changes were made for what reason, and see what's upcoming
  89. # [04:43] <annevk> smaug____: though it needs to be improved, we're a software project in the very early stages still :/
  90. # [04:44] <nikkibee> like we found that the first fetch entry has two new steps added to the start since the fetch code for servo was last worked on- I'd like knowing where to go to see what went into that
  91. # [04:44] <annevk> nikkibee: GitHub issues, mostly, and if you cannot figure it out you might have found a bug
  92. # [04:45] <nikkibee> alright, I'll see it as a point to gain more experience with navigating github
  93. # [04:46] <annevk> you're also welcome to ask here and I can probably dig it up quite easily though availability is not great this week
  94. # [04:46] <nikkibee> thanks!
  95. # [04:47] <nikkibee> if I really can't turn anything up on my own I'll ask here, but knowing it's all in the github issues helps a lot. I reckon once I get a handle on searching through it it'll be a lot easier to do again
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  102. # [05:18] <MikeSmith> fyi https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2015Dec/0017.html proposes adding a new attribute named "rels"
  103. # [05:19] <MikeSmith> 「The syntax of the "rels" attribute value is a whitespaceseparated sequence of whitespace separated pairs of link relationsand URL values.」
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  105. # [05:19] <MikeSmith> example: <a href="software.tar.gz" rels="signature software.tar.gz.sig">software</a>
  106. # [05:20] <MikeSmith> Internet-draft from Sean Palmer
  107. # [05:24] <MikeSmith> I wonder if he knows about subresource integrity
  108. # [05:38] <MikeSmith> ah I see now he sent it to the whatwg list as well
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  166. # [09:55] <mkwst> MikeSmith: Thanks for forwarding that on to WebAppSec. I expect the use case to be covered by SRI2; we discussed signature-based integrity validation briefly at TPAC, but I don't think any of the SRI editors have done anything concrete about it.
  167. # [09:55] <mkwst> I don't think the PGP-based signature that Sean wants is a good idea, but something more generic would indeed be valuable.
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  169. # [09:58] <mkwst> The notes here are muddled, but you get the idea: http://www.w3.org/2015/10/28-webappsec-minutes#item07
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  178. # [10:48] <yoav> annevk: if you're around I'd appreciate if you could take a look at https://github.com/whatwg/dom/pull/123
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  203. # [12:28] <annevk> yoav: can prolly look today, on first glance, supports() needs to be a two step algorithm
  204. # [12:29] <annevk> yoav: the first step assigns the return value to a variable and rethrows any exceptions, in line with text elsewhere in the standard
  205. # [12:30] <annevk> yoav: the second step would simply return the variable
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  230. # [13:34] <annevk> yoav: you want to use "Let" since you're initializing the variable and the second step needs to end with a period
  231. # [13:35] <yoav> ok
  232. # [13:36] <yoav> fixed
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  234. # [13:38] <annevk> yoav: seems the "throw TypeError" is also not consistent with throwing a TypeError elsewhere
  235. # [13:38] <annevk> yoav: which also makes me suspect the addition to the ignored terms list
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  237. # [13:39] <yoav> Yeah, zcorpan suggested that this would be the correct way, but I could change that to the way it is done elsewhere if you prefer
  238. # [13:40] <annevk> yoav: also, thinking about it more, what has associated supported tokens, the DOMTokenList or the attribute local name?
  239. # [13:40] <annevk> yoav: I think it needs to be the DOMTokenList instance
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  241. # [13:40] <annevk> yoav: I would prefer internal consistency first I think and then maybe a separate follow up
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  243. # [13:41] <annevk> yoav: is the "correct way" also without "a" inbetween? I wonder if that's defined anywhere
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  245. # [13:41] <Domenic> Web IDL says to use an "a"
  246. # [13:41] <yoav> he was referring to the {{TypeError}} rather than <code>TypeError</code>
  247. # [13:41] <yoav> the "a" was my omission
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  249. # [13:46] <yoav> so should it be "If the associated <a>attribute</a>'s <a for=Attr>DOMTokenList</a> " instead of "If the associated <a>attribute</a>'s <a for=Attr>local name</a> "?
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  254. # [13:54] <MikeSmith> mkwst: thanks yeah I vaguely recalled hearing there'd been some discussion of signature-based SRI
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  374. # [19:25] <annevk> The instance is the "context object"
  375. # [19:25] <annevk> I thought I mentioned this, but it seems that was not transmitted or something :/ Downsides of IRCCloud already showing
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  451. # [21:38] <annevk> oooh yes
  452. # [21:39] <annevk> excellent
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  466. # [22:15] <TabAtkins> By the by, I consider "-foo-min-bar" to be the correct prefixed variant of the "min-bar" media feature, and think "min--foo-bar" is bizarre and don't understand why anyone would do that.
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  498. # [23:24] <jsbell> wanderview: https://critic.hoppipolla.co.uk/r/6044 and https://critic.hoppipolla.co.uk/r/6045 may be of interest to you
  499. # [23:25] <wanderview> jsbell: thanks! on a work trip at the moment, but will try to look next week
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  521. # [23:44] <Ms2ger> annevk, ping
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  523. # [23:48] <annevk> Ms2ger: yo
  524. # [23:49] <Ms2ger> annevk, https://github.com/whatwg/fetch/issues/171 is confusing us over in #servo
  525. # [23:49] <annevk> Ms2ger: that looks like a case that wasn't considered
  526. # [23:50] <Ms2ger> annevk, weird thing is that it's considered in some steps and not others
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  528. # [23:50] <annevk> Ms2ger: yeah, I should probably have some macro for this or a better model
  529. # [23:51] <annevk> Ms2ger: the filtering seemed pretty great initially but now I need to poke holes here and there it's getting ugly :-(
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