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  36. # [01:11] <MikeSmith> botie, inform smaug____ I re-subscribed you to public-webapps
  37. # [01:11] <botie> will do
  38. # [01:12] <MikeSmith> if anybody else got kicked from public-webapps and you want to be re-subscribed, either lemme know or do it on your own through the e-mail interface
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  41. # [01:15] <jgraham> Oh seems that I did
  42. # [01:16] <jgraham> I guess it would have taken a while to notice if I hadn't seen this :|
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  51. # [01:57] <MikeSmith> jgraham: want me to re-subscribe you?
  52. # [01:57] <MikeSmith> and yeah I reckon a lot of people are not going to realize they got kicked
  53. # [02:02] <jgraham> MikeSmith: I resubscribed myself
  54. # [02:02] <MikeSmith> k
  55. # [02:02] <jgraham> But thanks
  56. # [02:02] <jgraham> And I guess I wouldn't have noticed because I haven't done enough non-infrastructure work recently :(
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  58. # [02:06] <MikeSmith> yeah I will try to make sure people here know that they got kicked but otherwise I don't plan to do anything else to mass-migrate everybody who was subscribed before
  59. # [02:07] <MikeSmith> I think the only people who got kicked were those who are members of the WG
  60. # [02:07] <MikeSmith> there are something like 900 other people subscribed to that list voluntarily who are not affected
  61. # [02:09] <MikeSmith> arguably the people who were members of the WG before should re-join the new WG, since it's largely just all the same specs
  62. # [02:10] <MikeSmith> but anyway I don't care much except like I said just want people here to have a heads-up
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  74. # [03:20] <Pygy> Hello guys
  75. # [03:24] <Pygy> In the DOM API spec, specifically https://html.spec.whatwg.org/multipage/semantics.html#dom-hyperlink-pathname and the corresponding sections for .search and .hash, nothing is specified about the encoding.
  76. # [03:25] <Pygy> Currently, browsers differ: https://gist.github.com/pygy/0dbef90505e42357b997
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  78. # [03:25] <Pygy> Specifically, some return the string URI encoded, and other not.
  79. # [03:26] <Pygy> (except Chrome who does both)
  80. # [03:27] <Pygy> Where should this be reported, assuming it has to?
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  82. # [03:39] <MikeSmith> Pygy: probably https://github.com/whatwg/dom/issues
  83. # [03:40] <MikeSmith> I doubt it's an oversight but who knows
  84. # [03:40] <MikeSmith> oh
  85. # [03:40] <MikeSmith> sorry https://github.com/whatwg/html/issues if it's in the HTML spec
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  87. # [03:42] <MikeSmith> but maybe https://github.com/whatwg/url/issues actually
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  91. # [03:46] <Pygy> Great, thanks.
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  122. # [05:59] <botie> smaug____, at 2015-12-11 00:11 UTC, MikeSmith said: I re-subscribed you to public-webapps
  123. # [06:01] <smaug____> MikeSmith: thanks
  124. # [06:01] <smaug____> MikeSmith: I guess also plenty of other people were kicked out from the list
  125. # [06:01] <smaug____> without notifying that they were being kicked out
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  203. # [10:32] <JakeA> annevk: do you have a preference for Friday 22nd or Tuesday 26th Jan for the service worker f2f?
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  246. # [13:08] <annevk> JakeA: 26 is somewhat better if I'll make it; also better for wanderview
  247. # [13:11] <JakeA> annevk: cheers!
  248. # [13:11] <JakeA> annevk: can Mozilla host?
  249. # [13:11] <annevk> MikeSmith: makes me wonder if the Apple folks even saw my email about web components 😟
  250. # [13:12] <annevk> JakeA: possibly, how many people?
  251. # [13:12] <JakeA> annevk: I imagine <15. Are there other Mozilla folks you'd like there?
  252. # [13:15] <annevk> JakeA: don't think so, 15 seems doable, will check room reservation in a bit, SF or MV?
  253. # [13:15] <JakeA> annevk: SF
  254. # [13:33] <annevk> JakeA: seems like that worked, still not sure whether I can be there, but at least there's a meeting room
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  256. # [13:34] <JakeA> annevk: cheers. I'll send an email to webplatform, see if anyone else wants to attend (but will stress we'll be working on low-level issues)
  257. # [13:34] <jgraham> Something, something, video conference, something, 80% of value 0% of cost, something
  258. # [13:35] <annevk> jgraham: bay area is in such a bad timezone for that :/
  259. # [13:37] <JakeA> I'd argue 20% of value, but maybe that's just me
  260. # [13:37] <JakeA> Especially for a day-long thing
  261. # [13:37] <gsnedders> I think it also depends on what /exactly/ you're trying to discuss.
  262. # [13:38] <jgraham> annevk: Fair point
  263. # [13:39] <jgraham> It just seems ironic that we are trying to build this whole global communication medium thing and the main effect seems to be that everyone involved has to spend half their lives flying to San Fransisco
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  277. # [14:45] <yoav> annevk: squashed https://github.com/whatwg/dom/pull/123
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  279. # [14:50] <frewsxcv> https://dom.spec.whatwg.org/#partially-contained
  280. # [14:50] <frewsxcv> "A node is partially contained in a range if it is an inclusive ancestor of the range’s start node but not its end node, or vice versa." "There exists a partially contained node if and only if the start node and end node are different. "
  281. # [14:50] <frewsxcv> do those statements contradict each other?
  282. # [14:51] <frewsxcv> the former seems like 'a && !b', whereas the latter seems like 'a != b'
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  290. # [15:10] <annevk> the latter is just a statement of fact
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  294. # [15:14] <annevk> if /node/ is an inclusive ancestor of /start/ but not /end/, that automatically follows; it also follows from /node/ being an inclusive ancestor of /start/ but not /end/, afaict
  295. # [15:14] <annevk> yoav: okay, will take a look in a bi
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  300. # [15:23] <nox> frewsxcv: What are you doing?
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  309. # [15:38] <nox> frewsxcv: Heh. :)
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  358. # [17:14] <wanderview> JakeA: is offline cookbook broken? content seems to terminate at the Cache Only header: https://jakearchibald.com/2014/offline-cookbook/#cache-network-race
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  362. # [17:17] <JakeA> wanderview: shit, hm, let me see what's going on
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  366. # [17:32] <JakeA> well, I've brought my whole site down now, so that's progress
  367. # [17:32] <wanderview> ouch, sorry
  368. # [17:32] <JakeA> nah, s'my fault
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  370. # [17:35] <JakeA> wanderview: fixed
  371. # [17:36] <wanderview> JakeA: thanks!
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  373. # [17:43] <JakeA> I'm cack at devops
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  388. # [18:04] <wanderview> JakeA: does that mean "jolly good"?
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  425. # [19:27] <nikkibee> https://fetch.spec.whatwg.org/#http-network-fetch what does step 1 accomplish? the only time the `credentials` value is used is immediately, in step 2
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  428. # [19:27] <nikkibee> beyond that, the only time it could come up again is in step 9, which specifically refers to the credentials flag
  429. # [19:29] <JakeA> wanderview: hah… ummm… yeahhh
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  431. # [19:36] <annevk> nikkibee: just turns a flag into a boolean
  432. # [19:36] <annevk> nikkibee: in an impl it would just be a boolean without step 1
  433. # [19:37] <annevk> nikkibee: perhaps we should just get rid of flags in standards and use booleans throughout
  434. # [19:37] <nikkibee> annevk: is a flag a different thing from a boolean? I figured calling it a flag was just a more generic term
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  436. # [19:37] <annevk> nikkibee: they're identical for all intents and purposes, the prose is just different
  437. # [19:37] <nikkibee> gotcha
  438. # [19:37] <annevk> nikkibee: which is why step 1 exists since step 2 wants a boolean and not a flag
  439. # [19:38] <nikkibee> but the flag already is a boolean?
  440. # [19:38] <nikkibee> cause it's true or false
  441. # [19:38] <annevk> nikkibee: well, in prose, a flag is set or unset
  442. # [19:38] <annevk> nikkibee: it's not true or false
  443. # [19:39] <annevk> nikkibee: I've been thinking we should just get rid of flags everywhere
  444. # [19:39] <nikkibee> I think replacing 'flags' with 'booleans' would be better... if at least to remove technical redundancy like this
  445. # [19:39] <annevk> I'd accept a patch for Fetch
  446. # [19:39] <nikkibee> alright
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  448. # [19:39] <annevk> Perhaps you could file an issue at least to remind me? I can make that change too fairly easily I think
  449. # [19:40] <annevk> Bit annoying for dependencies perhaps...
  450. # [19:40] <nikkibee> dependencies?
  451. # [19:40] <annevk> nikkibee: stuff that builds on Fetch and refers to existing names
  452. # [19:40] <annevk> nikkibee: like, HTML
  453. # [19:40] <nikkibee> gotcha
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  455. # [19:42] <nikkibee> I'll file an issue, it might be annoying for dependencies, but I think it'd be a good change all around for clarity
  456. # [19:42] <nikkibee> at the least, it won't likely change anywhere without changing somewhere first
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  459. # [19:46] <nikkibee> annevk: https://github.com/whatwg/fetch/issues/175 issue made :)
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  466. # [20:16] <nikkibee> https://fetch.spec.whatwg.org/#http-network-fetch step 4 seems like it's got a lot going on for one step. pretty much every paragraph seems like it should be a different step. @ annevk
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  468. # [20:19] <annevk> nikkibee: yeah... I don't like it either, but the requirements are kinda concurrent, if that makes sense
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  470. # [20:19] <annevk> nikkibee: ideally the HTTP/TLS specification has some kind of abstraction for this and then the second paragraph and its steps could be a callback for instance, but that's not the case
  471. # [20:20] <annevk> nikkibee: so instead we have this slightly patchy landscape
  472. # [20:20] <nikkibee> I can see that
  473. # [20:20] <nikkibee> when do I run the last set of substeps though?
  474. # [20:22] <annevk> nikkibee: those could maybe be moved to become step 10 (with step 10 becoming 11)
  475. # [20:22] <nikkibee> that sounds good to me
  476. # [20:22] <annevk> nikkibee: still need to run in parallel though since we don't want to block on the stream getting pushed to
  477. # [20:22] <nikkibee> actually, in that case it'd be saying "run these after step 11" right?
  478. # [20:23] <annevk> nikkibee: well, "in parallel" implies as much
  479. # [20:23] <nikkibee> annevk: ah, so it could say "run the following steps in parallel"?
  480. # [20:23] <annevk> nikkibee: yeah, as a new step 10
  481. # [20:23] <nikkibee> that would be much more clear
  482. # [20:23] <annevk> nikkibee: another issue?
  483. # [20:24] <nikkibee> sure!
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  487. # [20:30] <nikkibee> https://github.com/whatwg/fetch/issues/176 done
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  490. # [20:40] <nikkibee> hey again annevk, https://fetch.spec.whatwg.org/#http-network-fetch in the last substeps for step 4, I'm not sure how to handle 1. If response's body is non-null, set response's body's length to response's body's payload body length.
  491. # [20:41] <nikkibee> where do I get the payload body length from? is it the same as the `Content-Length` header?
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  506. # [20:58] <nikkibee> in step 5, in the conditions, "`Content-Type" appears in each- without a closing ` mark. that must be a typo- I can make a PR to fix it, since it's so tiny
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  509. # [21:04] <nikkibee> hrm, searching the document says there's 405 (including the two I added) instances of `
  510. # [21:05] <nikkibee> I'll see if I can comb through quickly and catch any, it seems there must be at least one other missing ` for there to be an odd number of them
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  512. # [21:08] <annevk> Content-Length, but might be different in H2?
  513. # [21:08] <nikkibee> smarter check: `<code> has 192 results, </code>` has 191 :o
  514. # [21:08] <nikkibee> what's H2?
  515. # [21:08] <annevk> HTTP2
  516. # [21:08] <nikkibee> gotcha
  517. # [21:09] <nikkibee> so, it should be in Content-Length, but where can I look up how to deal with it in H2?
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  520. # [21:10] <annevk> HTTP standards? This is one of the cross-standard issues
  521. # [21:11] <annevk> Perhaps we should make a list and ask mnot to make things better
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  523. # [21:11] <nikkibee> alright, I'll make a note to check that up again when I get to implementation
  524. # [21:15] <nikkibee> hrm I couldn't find the missing `, oh well
  525. # [21:16] <nikkibee> annevk: should I start my commit message with "Fixes #177"? I noticed you updated my last commit to do so, to link to the PR
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  527. # [21:18] <annevk> No no need
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  529. # [21:19] <nikkibee> alright
  530. # [21:19] <annevk> Unless you run make as well there are some tweaks needed anyway
  531. # [21:19] <nikkibee> gotcha
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  533. # [21:20] <nikkibee> I hope I run into the third missing backtick... kind of annoying that I can tell it's missing but not where, haha
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  535. # [21:23] <nikkibee> urk how do I git
  536. # [21:23] <nikkibee> I'm comparing changes on github, and it's showing this commit, and my previously accepted commit as changes
  537. # [21:24] <nikkibee> I've tried some stuff I was suggested before on updating my repo to the main one, but it's not working :(
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  542. # [21:54] <nikkibee> annevk: I got it sorted out, and I have advice for preventing that issue in the future :) PR made! https://github.com/whatwg/fetch/pull/177
  543. # [21:54] <nikkibee> I wish it was a bigger PR for how much I had to learn about git to do that, haha
  544. # [21:55] <nikkibee> I'm going to be heading out now, so if there's any feedback I'll get to that tonight / tomorrow :)
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  553. # [22:17] <annevk> Next week before the feedback will show up though 😊
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