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  1. # Session Start: Tue Dec 22 00:00:00 2015
  2. # Session Ident: #whatwg
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  22. # [01:12] <bobbytables2> someone knows why ParentNode.childElementCount is still a thing?
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  29. # [01:17] <jgraham> Why not?
  30. # [01:18] <bobbytables2> it is redundant with children.length
  31. # [01:19] <bobbytables2> there was the intent to remove it, but it didn't happen https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=673790
  32. # [01:19] <bobbytables2> trying to understand the reason...
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  37. # [01:39] <jsbell> bobbytables2: almost certainly it proved to be not web-compatible to remove
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  39. # [01:40] <jsbell> bobbytables2: i.e. there was content out there using it and the attempt to remove it "failed" (i.e. people reported bugs to Moz so they reverted the removal)
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  42. # [01:48] <MikeSmith> I don't remember ever seeing an intent to remove discussion about ParentNode.childElementCount anywhere
  43. # [01:48] <MikeSmith> at least not in recent memory
  44. # [01:49] <MikeSmith> kinda surprised it was ever even considered
  45. # [01:49] * MikeSmith looks at https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=673790
  46. # [01:50] <MikeSmith> oh annevk
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  48. # [01:50] <MikeSmith> I guess his heart was in the right place on that
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  99. # [05:45] <annevk> I did not introduce it
  100. # [05:46] <annevk> Doug Schepers did in something I believe was called Element Traversal
  101. # [05:47] <annevk> Not entirely sure why nobody objected when implementing though
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  110. # [06:21] <Domenic> I think in naive implementations at least it will be faster
  111. # [06:21] <Domenic> won't have to reify .children
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  133. # [07:58] <MikeSmith> annevk: yeah didn't mean that you had introduced it but instead that you had tried to get it removed while there was still time
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  135. # [08:04] <annevk> Seems like most things in DOM we tried to remove failed, but perhaps we overreached
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  167. # [10:27] <nox> heycam|away: Are interfaces that support indexed properties supposed to always come with a length attribute?
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  172. # [10:52] <annevk> nox: since I think you're in Europe, might be best to file issues instead
  173. # [10:52] <nox> annevk: Just did that. :)
  174. # [10:52] <nox> 3 of them.
  175. # [10:53] <nox> Ms2ger is trying to make an editor. I smiled and went away.
  176. # [10:54] <annevk> New but already too smart to fall for that old trick
  177. # [10:54] <nox> Ah ah.
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  210. # [13:49] <smaug____> I have a bad feeling about this... is wpt testInIFrame racy
  211. # [13:54] <MikeSmith> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/34409254/are-messages-sent-via-worker-postmessage-queued
  212. # [13:58] <smaug____> the answer is yes
  213. # [13:58] <smaug____> but IIRC some implementations do have issues with queing
  214. # [13:59] <smaug____> at least when dealing with MessagePort
  215. # [13:59] <smaug____> (didn't test myself but baku was telling me that)
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  274. # [17:27] <Domenic> Trivia question: is it possible for relative URL parsing to fail? E.g. can you find a string such that new URL(theString, location.href) throws?
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  276. # [17:32] <Ms2ger`> jwalden, I think you were asking: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/34395981/dining-philosophers-from-rust-documentation-do-not-eat-concurrently
  277. # [17:33] <Ms2ger`> Domenic, var theString = "//[]"
  278. # [17:34] <jwalden> interesting
  279. # [17:34] <Domenic> Nice
  280. # [17:34] <jwalden> you guys gotta change that example to something that schedules less deterministically, IMO :-)
  281. # [17:34] <Ms2ger`> jwalden, patches welcome :)
  282. # [17:35] <jwalden> :-P
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  305. # [18:15] <MikeSmith> smaug____: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1213676
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  308. # [18:22] <smaug____> thanks
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  400. # [22:35] <zcorpan> hmmm. can we add a linter that checks for trailing whitespace in source?
  401. # [22:42] <MikeSmith> zcorpan: sure we could
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  425. # [23:37] <MikeSmith> so I notice that https://html.spec.whatwg.org/multipage/indices.html#all-interfaces is currently broken
  426. # [23:37] <MikeSmith> anybody know how long it's been like that?
  427. # [23:38] <MikeSmith> the spec build isn't emitting any errors about it
  428. # [23:38] <MikeSmith> it's just quietly failing to actually generate it
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  431. # [23:47] <Domenic> MikeSmith: yeah annevk filed an issue about that a while ago :(
  432. # [23:47] <MikeSmith> ok
  433. # [23:47] <Domenic> https://github.com/whatwg/html-build/issues/37
  434. # [23:48] <Domenic> We all felt hopeless in the face of the great wattsi
  435. # [23:48] * MikeSmith looks
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  437. # [23:48] <MikeSmith> hahah
  438. # [23:48] <MikeSmith> ah yeah I recall this now
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  441. # [23:51] <MikeSmith> Domenic: we could replace the script with a static manually-maintained index in the source
  442. # [23:52] <MikeSmith> I think it would not be a big deal to keep it up to date
  443. # [23:52] <Domenic> Hmm
  444. # [23:52] <Domenic> I would really rather move in the direction of more automation...
  445. # [23:52] <MikeSmith> well if we wanted to, we could write a script that checks to make sure nothing's missing from it
  446. # [23:52] <Domenic> what about a script that generates it :)
  447. # [23:53] <gsnedders> MikeSmith: we could replace wattsi with something we understand
  448. # [23:53] <gsnedders> :trollface:
  449. # [23:53] <MikeSmith> well I guess I could adapt the current perl script to generate it pre-process
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  452. # [23:54] <Domenic> I guess I wasn't clear why we couldn't just do the preprocessing before wattsi
  453. # [23:54] <Domenic> Then wattsi would take care of figuring out the correct URLs
  454. # [23:54] <Domenic> I see, "Doing this as a pre-process will likely not work since Wattsi seems to generate the IDs for partial interfaces."
  455. # [23:54] <Domenic> Maybe a targeted fix at that problem like adding some placeholder syntax for partial IDs that wattsi (or the script?) has to fill in.
  456. # [23:55] <MikeSmith> yeah
  457. # [23:55] <MikeSmith> I think that statement about not being able to do it pre-process is wrong
  458. # [23:56] <MikeSmith> I am pretty certain I can make it do it
  459. # [23:56] <MikeSmith> at the simplest level, we just make the script output, e.g., <code>BroadcastChannel</code> for each interface
  460. # [23:56] <MikeSmith> then as you said wattsi will figure out the rest
  461. # [23:57] <MikeSmith> anyway, I will try it
  462. # [23:57] <Domenic> The partial interfaces problem makes a bit of sense to me
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  464. # [23:57] <Domenic> but yeah definitely doable
  465. # [23:57] <Domenic> thanks for fixing <3
  466. # [23:58] <Domenic> or well, thanks for working on it <3. no promises yet i suppose :)
  467. # [23:58] <MikeSmith> yeah no promises
  468. # [23:59] <MikeSmith> and worst case we split the partial interfaces out to a separate Partial Interfaces section, and maybe maintain the manually for now
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  470. # [23:59] <MikeSmith> hmm nah that would kinda suck I guess
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