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  11. # [00:25] <rodneyrehm> Which part of the DOMTokenList IDL (https://dom.spec.whatwg.org/#domtokenlist) reflects the "tokenlist[index]" shown in the next Note block? is that implicitly defined by .item()?
  12. # [00:26] <TabAtkins> rodneyrehm: It has "supported property indices" defined for it.
  13. # [00:27] <rodneyrehm> right, second paragraph below the Note box, found it, thanks!
  14. # [00:27] <TabAtkins> rodneyrehm: And yeah, the "getter ..." line actually defines it. (And happens to also define that .item() is a method that does the same thing)
  15. # [00:28] * TabAtkins should linkify "getter" appropriately in Bikeshed.
  16. # [00:29] <rodneyrehm> yes please :)
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  289. # [16:22] <smaug____> has there been talk to put all the interface objects behind so global property
  290. # [16:22] <smaug____> like platformInterfaces.Animation or such
  291. # [16:23] <smaug____> kind of namespacing so that commonly used names would be less likely to cause compat issues
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  296. # [16:28] <@annevk> smaug____: JavaScript modules, basically
  297. # [16:28] <@annevk> smaug____: until that time we should just pick unique enough names, imo
  298. # [16:28] <smaug____> how do modules help with this
  299. # [16:29] <@annevk> smaug____: stuff is no longer in the global scope, you have to import it first to use it
  300. # [16:30] <smaug____> so what all is in the scope of module by default?
  301. # [16:30] <smaug____> JS stuff, Math, Date and such?
  302. # [16:30] <smaug____> or nothing?
  303. # [16:31] <smaug____> and how do modules play with event handlers
  304. # [16:31] <@annevk> smaug____: I meant that you could have built-in modules that you import to add functionality
  305. # [16:31] <@annevk> smaug____: they don't
  306. # [16:32] <@annevk> smaug____: I believe that when a module script executes in a browser it sees exactly the same stuff as a classic script would (though it executes in strict mode)
  307. # [16:32] <smaug____> annevk: so module informs that one can import names Foo and Bar out from it to other js to use?
  308. # [16:33] <@annevk> smaug____: something like that, you'd have import FancyNewFeature from "web/fancy" or some such
  309. # [16:33] <smaug____> what guarantees Foo and Bar won't be used as interface names later?
  310. # [16:34] <@annevk> smaug____: those importing get to decide on the names, aiui
  311. # [16:34] <@annevk> Anyway, I gotta go
  312. # [16:35] <@annevk> Would love your input on how to design event dispatch with shadow trees
  313. # [16:35] <@annevk> See https://github.com/w3c/webcomponents/issues/485 and https://github.com/w3c/webcomponents/issues/486
  314. # [16:35] * smaug____ still doesn't see how it helps. Whoever is deciding that Foo is imported as Bar, doesn't know whether Bar will be an interface object later
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  318. # [16:44] <Domenic> you can think of module imports as equivalent to `var Bar = platformInterfaces.Bar`
  319. # [16:44] <Domenic> If you can understand how that helps collisions then you should be able to understand how modules help.
  320. # [16:45] <Domenic> (They're nothing like C++ header files, if that's misleading you.)
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  322. # [16:46] <smaug____> Domenic: that doesn't help. What if there is later interface Bar added to the platform
  323. # [16:46] <smaug____> and some code then tries to do new Bar();
  324. # [16:47] <Domenic> smaug____: then the same "problem" (I don't think it's a real problem) will occur whether you do platformInterfaces.Bar or a module.
  325. # [16:47] <smaug____> but I know forcing to call new platformInterfaces.Bar() would be horrible
  326. # [16:47] <Domenic> It doesn't break back-compat since local bindings always shadow global ones
  327. # [16:48] <Domenic> I guess we are anticipating some scenario where someone copies and pastes code expecting the new platform Bar() into a scope that has defined a variable named Bar?
  328. # [16:48] <smaug____> sure
  329. # [16:48] <smaug____> I'm talking about the case where you have some code doing var Bar = module.Bar;
  330. # [16:48] <smaug____> and then some other code doing new Bar(); (but that wants to use the platform object)
  331. # [16:49] <smaug____> so yes, to your last comment
  332. # [16:49] <smaug____> I started to wonder this again while thinking about Animation interface
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  335. # [16:50] <smaug____> per spec it is a normal interface with ctor
  336. # [16:50] <smaug____> but browsers aren't ready to expose it as such
  337. # [16:50] <smaug____> but with NoInterfaceObject
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  384. # [19:04] <@annevk> Do we need a label for "problem with standard" that is more serious than "clarification"?
  385. # [19:05] <@annevk> E.g., https://github.com/whatwg/html/issues/1073 is great implementer feedback, but if nobody picks it up it'll get lost
  386. # [19:06] <caitp> I thought github had something like "critical" in the default label set
  387. # [19:07] <caitp> this is a critical spec bug, it isn't just a missing apostraphe, it's a sentence that ends with a preposition!
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  403. # [19:52] <TabAtkins> annevk: Do you know what the use-case is for "find flattened slotables"?
  404. # [19:52] <@annevk> TabAtkins: assignedNodes() and CSS
  405. # [19:52] <TabAtkins> I *think* CSS's use of it only wants to "find slotables", with the "sub in its normal children if nothing is assigned" behavior.
  406. # [19:53] <TabAtkins> It's not 100% clear to me what node slotables are supposed to inherit from, or what the intended model is for when you give a <slot> a non-contents display value.
  407. # [19:53] <TabAtkins> Oh right, CSS does need flattened slotables for ::slotted() still, nm.
  408. # [19:54] <@annevk> TabAtkins: ah yes, for the flat tree <slot> elements need to be kept around
  409. # [19:54] <TabAtkins> Okay cool.
  410. # [19:54] <TabAtkins> And so I *think* that means that slotables inherit from the first/highest slot they're assigned to, not their light-tree parent or any deeper slots they get flattened into.
  411. # [19:54] <@annevk> TabAtkins: seems like we have a bit much ways of looking at this
  412. # [19:55] <TabAtkins> Yeah, I'm making CSS much more explicit about what it sees at each phase.
  413. # [19:55] <TabAtkins> At Hayato's urging, I'm sucking the whole flat tree concept into the CSS Scoping spec.
  414. # [19:55] <@annevk> Yeah, that makes sense
  415. # [19:55] <TabAtkins> When you and I are done, there might not be anything left in the actual Shadow DOM spec.
  416. # [19:55] <@annevk> That was more or less the goal
  417. # [19:56] <TabAtkins> Cool.
  418. # [19:56] <@annevk> Glad we both came to the same conclusion
  419. # [19:56] <TabAtkins> Okay, I can handle "use its real children if nothing is assigned" by myself.
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  423. # [20:04] <TabAtkins> annevk: btw, I like the use of "flattened slotables" better, good change.
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  439. # [20:53] <TabAtkins> annevk: Please export your shadow dom definitions - "find slotables" is unexported right now
  440. # [20:58] <Mek> hmm, why does bikeshed not know USVString is a valid type...
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  443. # [21:01] <TabAtkins> Mek: Because it's not defined as such in a spec that Shepherd knows about. Where's it defined?
  444. # [21:01] <Mek> TabAtkins: http://heycam.github.io/webidl/#idl-USVString probably? DOMString does seem to correctly link to WebIDL
  445. # [21:02] <TabAtkins> Ah, USVString was marked up right. Checking right now whether it's actually in the db...
  446. # [21:02] <TabAtkins> Well, heaidng to lunch now. bbs
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  449. # [21:08] <jyasskin> TabAtkins: With bikeshed at c16b9046 (HEAD), `bikeshed update` returns "FATAL ERROR: This version of the anchor-data API is no longer supported. Please update Bikeshed."
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  462. # [21:56] <TabAtkins> jyasskin: Yup, just got it myself. Pinging plinss.
  463. # [21:56] <jyasskin> TabAtkins: Try visiting csswg.org in your browser.
  464. # [21:57] <jyasskin> plinss had me debug and revealed that my DNS is broken, and Bikeshed is just giving a very bad error message.
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  466. # [22:00] <@annevk> TabAtkins: ah yes, could you file a reminder? Sorry about that
  467. # [22:00] <@annevk> TabAtkins: I should really go through all <dfn in DOM
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  475. # [22:52] <TabAtkins> Mek: Ok, checked on it - USVString *is* defined in Bikeshed (make sure you've run `bikeshed update` recently!), but I forgot to mark it as exported. >_<
  476. # [22:53] <jyasskin> TabAtkins: I see it in HTML rather than WebIDL.
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  478. # [22:53] <Mek> can't run bikeshed update until whatever that DNS thing is is fixed...
  479. # [22:53] <TabAtkins> jyasskin: ...huh, indeed
  480. # [22:53] <TabAtkins> Mek: Fixed by now for me.
  481. # [22:53] <jyasskin> The DNS thing is now fixed.
  482. # [22:53] <Mek> ah yeah, seems fixed now
  483. # [22:53] <TabAtkins> (It was a linode thing)
  484. # [22:54] <Mek> It still complains "LINK ERROR: No 'idl' refs found for 'USVString'." though
  485. # [22:54] <TabAtkins> Yeah, if it's coming from HTML, it'll be read as a dfn-type. :/
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  487. # [22:54] <TabAtkins> But I marked it up in WebIDL, so I need to debug and see what's up with it.
  488. # [22:55] <Mek> and the definition in HTML is just the reference to the WebIDL definition anyway, so not a very useful reference
  489. # [22:58] <TabAtkins> Uggghhhhh, I see the problem.
  490. # [22:58] <TabAtkins> Stupid unrunnable XML pipeline for WebIDL.
  491. # [22:58] <Domenic> I thought HTML data-noexport'ed everything, but also it didn't need to since dfns are not exported
  492. # [22:58] <TabAtkins> Domenic: Right, that's not a problem, dont' worry.
  493. # [22:58] <Domenic> ok ^_^
  494. # [22:59] <TabAtkins> Problem is that the XSLT for WebIDL inserts section numbers into the heading text, and doesn't take Bikeshed into account, so the handful of "heading dfns" I set up have linking text like "3.10.7. USVString"
  495. # [22:59] <TabAtkins> I'll fix and send heycam a PR.
  496. # [23:02] <jyasskin> lol
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