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  34. # [00:57] <Domenic> TabAtkins: hmm could you pull request bikeshed.css to remove stuff instead?
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  99. # [02:47] <jwalden> is there a convenient site out there for doing cross-origin (and document.domain-joined origin) demonstration of behaviors? or do I need to conjure up one of my own provision?
  100. # [02:48] <TabAtkins> Domenic: Sure, you've just expressed annoyance at the "inlining" Bikeshed does for some things, so I assumed you'd prefer the linking thing.
  101. # [02:48] <jwalden> something like http://software.hixie.ch/utilities/js/live-dom-viewer/ that lets me do testing on nested.software.hixie.ch as well, or so
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  121. # [03:36] <smaug____> rbyers: are you perhaps writing wpt tests for eventlistener options stuff?
  122. # [03:37] <smaug____> or maybe there is even some patches waiting for review ?
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  124. # [03:38] <rbyers> smaug: Yes, sorry I haven't done it yet - been on my list, just been swamped with other stuff :-(
  125. # [03:38] <smaug____> ok
  126. # [03:38] <rbyers> Are you working on the Gecko impl and need tests?
  127. # [03:38] <smaug____> baku is working on the impl
  128. # [03:38] <smaug____> right now
  129. # [03:38] <smaug____> well, has patch for the dictionary (no passive handling or anything, just the dictionary)
  130. # [03:38] <smaug____> and I was wondering if we already have good test coverage
  131. # [03:39] <rbyers> I've got management crap occupying my time until Thursday but could make it my top priority then.
  132. # [03:39] <rbyers> We've got blink tests of course, still working on our WPT pipeline/process to avoid the test duplication...
  133. # [03:39] <rbyers> (had a good f2f chat with jdm@ and other Moz folks in Toronto a week ago about this)
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  136. # [03:40] <smaug____> I think I can ask him to write tests
  137. # [03:40] <rbyers> Our blink tests are here: https://code.google.com/p/chromium/codesearch#chromium/src/third_party/WebKit/LayoutTests/fast/events/eventlisteneroptions/&q=file:LayoutTests%20file:passive&sq=package:chromium&type=cs
  138. # [03:40] <rbyers> Oh right these are already testharness.js tests
  139. # [03:41] <rbyers> Perhaps all we need to do is upstream these
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  141. # [03:41] <rbyers> dtapuska is about to land the change for the key, so they'll change then obviously
  142. # [03:42] <smaug____> that is about passive only I guess
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  145. # [03:43] <rbyers> right
  146. # [03:45] <rbyers> looks like our tests have a few blinkisms in them, but shouldn't be hard to clean them up for WPT. Maybe I can get to that sooner than Thursday - I'll do my best (I haven't landed anything in WPT yet myself - was actually looking forward to the forcing function to experience the review pain people are telling me about <grin>)
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  155. # [04:22] <Domenic> TabAtkins: Oh, I see, I misunderstood. Now that I get it, either solution sounds reasonable to me.
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  197. # [06:52] <@annevk> smaug____: rbyers: thoughts on https://github.com/whatwg/dom/issues/215?
  198. # [06:53] <@annevk> smaug____: rbyers: delegation proposal seems quite nice, though making it fast might require bring some CSS selector tricks over to DOM
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  200. # [06:54] <@annevk> rbyers: I guess I should ping the other folks you mentioned instead, will do that
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  203. # [06:55] <smaug____> performance is rather critical with event dispatch
  204. # [06:56] <smaug____> but I'll try to look at that a bit later, like on Thursday. rather busy right now
  205. # [06:57] <smaug____> I couldn't understand the last comment in that bug though
  206. # [06:57] <smaug____> what (1) and (2) refer to
  207. # [06:58] <@annevk> smaug____: to my comment earlier, https://github.com/whatwg/dom/issues/215#issuecomment-213980467
  208. # [06:59] <@annevk> smaug____: lists two strategies for implementing delegation, but one is rather suboptimal it turns out
  209. # [06:59] <@annevk> smaug____: agreed that it's important, I guess the question is if it's better that the browser does it or have libraries emulate it all over in JavaScript, since that's what's happening now
  210. # [07:00] <@annevk> smaug____: happy to wait until Thursday day, there's no rush
  211. # [07:01] <smaug____> I don't understand what delegate: "foo" means
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  213. # [07:02] <@annevk> smaug____: "foo" is a selector
  214. # [07:03] <smaug____> and it selects what
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  216. # [07:03] <smaug____> descendants ?
  217. # [07:03] <@annevk> smaug____: yeah
  218. # [07:03] <@annevk> smaug____: it's as if you registered the listener on descendants
  219. # [07:04] <@annevk> smaug____: so you don't have to worry about elements getting inserted and removed
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  221. # [07:04] <smaug____> I see
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  223. # [07:05] <smaug____> I wonder... whether that should be delegation or some kind of automatic registration. I guess it is the latter, if it means "as if you registered the listener on descendants"
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  225. # [07:07] <@annevk> smaug____: then you'd also have to automatically deregister
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  227. # [07:08] <@annevk> smaug____: perhaps engines could implement it either way, not sure
  228. # [07:09] <smaug____> a question is when to run the selector
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  230. # [07:13] <@annevk> smaug____: yeah, I was thinking during dispatch
  231. # [07:14] <@annevk> smaug____: I guess at the start of dispatch would be most consistent, but that would require going through the parent chain twice
  232. # [07:14] <@annevk> smaug____: but the alternative might require going through the parent chain many more times
  233. # [07:16] <smaug____> gecko goes through the chain...hmm, 3 times. First creating the chain, then dispatch in default group (normal DOM dispatch) and then system group (for certain default handling and so)
  234. # [07:16] <smaug____> that iteration isn't slow
  235. # [07:16] <smaug____> but doing any specific operation on entries in the chain might slow things down quite a bit
  236. # [07:16] <smaug____> would need to think about how to optimize this all
  237. # [07:17] <smaug____> but I'm too jetlagged now to think about optimizations :)
  238. # [07:18] <@annevk> smaug____: as I said, there's no rush, but it's appreciated 😊
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  296. # [10:26] <zcorpan> "Thanks for getting in touch. We've added your idea of supporting fixup option in the squash and merge feature to our internal Feature Request List so the team can see it. It might be something we support in the future, but we can't promise when it will happen."
  297. # [10:33] <smaug____> rbyers: ok, since you have the tests in wpt form (or some similar) already, we decided to wait for you to upload those
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  312. # [11:37] <@annevk> MikeSmith: 日本語 is Japanese in Japanese, right?
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  317. # [12:00] <@annevk> MikeSmith: I went with that for now, believing Wikipedia...
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  352. # [13:50] <MikeSmith> annevk: yeah
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  354. # [13:55] <@annevk> I added a commit to the navigate-editorial branch but it's not showing up in the PR...
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  362. # [14:18] <MikeSmith> annevk: “more browsingContext”?
  363. # [14:18] <@annevk> MikeSmith: yeah
  364. # [14:19] <@annevk> Seems to be resolved now
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  366. # [14:19] <MikeSmith> hai
  367. # [14:19] <@annevk> Maybe I was hitting some cache issues
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  370. # [14:25] <MikeSmith> annevk: given https://github.com/w3c/webappsec-subresource-integrity/issues/31#issuecomment-214691579 maybe I will try to make PR myself for upstreaming the integrity attribute
  371. # [14:25] <@annevk> MikeSmith: cool, mkwst can probably help review
  372. # [14:26] <MikeSmith> yeah
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  393. # [15:29] <JonathanNeal> I’ve been working on a flexibility polyfill, and I have most of the calculations complete, but I’m unsure when/how I’m supposed to calculate flex within flex. Here is an example of flex rendered via JS https://rawgit.com/10up/flexibility/release/2.0.0/test.row.html
  394. # [15:31] <JonathanNeal> I’m a little unsure of what order I am supposed to run align-content, align-items, and when I should begin calculating flex within flex. Should flex within flex trigger a re-calc of the parent, or should I optimize the order to avoid this? Anyone know?
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  396. # [15:34] <JonathanNeal> And here’s the control / native flexbox example https://rawgit.com/10up/flexibility/release/2.0.0/test.row.control.html
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  415. # [16:09] <miketaylr> hober++ (re https://webkit.org/blog/6131/updating-our-prefixing-policy/)
  416. # [16:09] <miketaylr> et al
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  425. # [16:27] <Ms2ger> About fucking time
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  427. # [16:32] <MikeSmith> hober: Ms2ger is suggesting you edit your blog post to change the title to his suggestion just above
  428. # [16:35] <jgraham> Maybe he's angling for a job as head of PR at W3C
  429. # [16:37] <mounir> jgraham: I'm pretty sure Ms2ger would be able to disrupt the PR business :)
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  440. # [17:09] <wanderview> does it make sense to queue a microtask to update an attribute on a DOM object exposed in a worker thread? that seems strange to me
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  446. # [17:17] <@annevk> wanderview: it doesn't not make sense, but it's not really typical either
  447. # [17:17] <wanderview> I think we can just use queue a task here... I asked him to change it
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  450. # [17:29] <hober> MikeSmith miketaylr Ms2ger: :)
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  452. # [17:30] <Ms2ger> hober, if you're bored at Apple, I'd be happy to write some copy ;)
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  456. # [17:35] <miketaylr> :)~
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  474. # [18:10] <@annevk> Domenic: I'm going to refactor document.open() and window.open()
  475. # [18:11] <@annevk> Domenic: I'm thinking of "document open steps" and "window open steps"
  476. # [18:11] <@annevk> Domenic: let me know if you have any concerns
  477. # [18:13] <Domenic> annevk: sounds reasonable. One thing I'd kind of like to fix is how document.open()s window-ish overload is in "mutations" or something in the IDL block and section structure.
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  479. # [18:14] <@annevk> Domenic: yeah, I was hoping that early in document.open() we could dispatch to either "document open steps" or "window open steps" based on the arguments
  480. # [18:15] <Domenic> I guess that could work. I was thinking of just moving the overload's dfn to a new section.
  481. # [18:17] <@annevk> Yeah, maybe hmm
  482. # [18:17] <@annevk> My main issue is all these algorithms invoking open() directly
  483. # [18:18] <TabAtkins> JonathanNeal: This should all be clear from the flex layout algorithm in the spec.
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  495. # [18:39] <@annevk> Domenic: created a branch document-open-steps with some WIP
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  520. # [19:39] <JonathanNeal> TabAtkins: thanks, I’m still looking. Is this the right spot to be looking? https://www.w3.org/TR/css-flexbox-1/
  521. # [19:40] <gsnedders> JonathanNeal: you probably want the editor's draft, see link at the top
  522. # [19:40] <JonathanNeal> Will do https://drafts.csswg.org/css-flexbox/#box-model
  523. # [19:41] <Domenic> Remember, /TR/ stands for trash.
  524. # [19:45] * JonathanNeal mumbles “technical report”...
  525. # [19:45] <TabAtkins> JonathanNeal: https://drafts.csswg.org/css-flexbox/#layout-algorithm to be specific
  526. # [19:45] <TabAtkins> Reading the rest of the spec helps you understand how to *use* Flexbox, but only the layout algo will actually tell you how it works.
  527. # [19:46] <JonathanNeal> Wonderful. I’m very close. I just got stuck once I needed to implement flex within flex.
  528. # [19:48] <TabAtkins> Important bit is to find the parts where the flex container tells the children to layout into some space. Layout is very hierarchical - you find available space in the parent, then lay out children into that space, then the parent positions them and finds out its full dimensions, and reports back to *its* parent that its layout is done.
  529. # [19:49] <TabAtkins> A quick tree-descent into the leaves, then a reverse walk back up finishing everything.
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  531. # [19:50] <JonathanNeal> Yeap, it’s how much “lay out children into that space” I need to do before decending into the children for the same deal.
  532. # [19:51] <TabAtkins> And the layout algo should explain that in detail. ^_^
  533. # [19:51] <JonathanNeal> I am looking. I would imagine it’s something like 9 to 9.4.
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  536. # [19:53] <TabAtkins> Hmmmmmm, the step numbering got broken and no longer continues thru the sections. >_<
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  538. # [19:55] <JonathanNeal> If a flex item is also flex, then I need to know that item’s main and cross size before laying out its children.
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  560. # [20:45] <Domenic> TabAtkins: ping on speccing https://github.com/w3c/webcomponents/issues/468 for me :)
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  562. # [20:46] <TabAtkins> Yup, was thinking about that when I saw the bug activity today. ^_^
  563. # [20:46] <TabAtkins> What form do you want that in, actually?
  564. # [20:46] <TabAtkins> oh never mind, you actuall provided that
  565. # [20:46] <TabAtkins> i'll slip it into scoping
  566. # [20:47] <Domenic> \o/
  567. # [20:47] <Domenic> Open to suggestions if you think my "creates a custom user-agent stylesheet" idea could use some tweaking
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  569. # [20:47] <Domenic> I want it to be window scoped since custom element registries are, but not sure if that fits with CSS infrastructure
  570. # [20:48] <Domenic> "element's node document's window" is I guess how you get from element -> window
  571. # [20:49] <Domenic> annevk: what is "the default origin"?
  572. # [20:50] <@annevk> Domenic: dunno
  573. # [20:50] <Domenic> annevk: from your post in https://github.com/whatwg/html/pull/1122#issuecomment-214757427
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  575. # [20:53] <@annevk> Domenic: ooh, the origin for fetching when none is specified is from the client
  576. # [20:54] <Domenic> hmm
  577. # [20:58] <Mek> but yeah, it definitely seems something is broken in the workers/fetch/csp3 integration. Where the child-src CSP policies of the document/worker creating a worker should possibly block creating the worker but the way it is currently specced in csp3 we would end up using the CSP policies from the worker itself (which don't even exist yet before the worker is fetched)
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  650. # [23:54] <miketaylr> TabAtkins: yo, what's the magic way to make <<color>> autolinks point to css-color-4 in bikeshed?
  651. # [23:54] <miketaylr> link-defaults doesn't seem to like "spec:css-color-4; type:value; text:color"
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