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1. # Session Start: Wed Jan 18 00:00:00 2012
2. # Session Ident: #developers
3. # [00:00] <gcp> espindola: if they're both volatile, the stores are guaranteed to keep order
4. # [00:00] <espindola> I don't think so
5. # [00:00] <gcp> its pretty much the *only* thing volatile guarantees
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7. # [00:00] <espindola> no, volatile tells the compiler that the store can have side effects
8. # [00:00] <gcp> you wouldn't be able to use register-programmed hardware if it weren't true
9. # [00:00] <jrmuizel> espindola: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/tools/profiler/sps/sps_sampler.h#78
10. # [00:00] <espindola> and there is no volatile at the assembly level
11. # [00:00] <mauke> is there an appropriate channel for questions about the AVM2 / the ABC format?
12. # [00:00] <espindola> so the cpu can still reorder
13. # [00:01] <jrmuizel> having decent barriers in mfbt would be good though
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15. # [00:01] <@bz> dholbert: ack
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19. # [00:03] <dholbert> bz, actually sorry, un-ping - mats has hg blame on the code I'm curious about, so I'll ask him :)
20. # [00:03] <dholbert> mats, ping? :)
21. # [00:04] <espindola> jrmuizel, thanks
22. # [00:04] <@bz> ok
23. # [00:04] * @bz is about to disappear anyway
24. # [00:04] <dholbert> cool
25. # [00:04] <jaws> mats: ping?
26. # [00:04] <dholbert> jaws, me first! :)
27. # [00:04] <jaws> hehe
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29. # [00:05] <jaws> dholbert: i'm confused about this comment? it seems to contradict the code, or am i reading it wrong? http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/layout/generic/nsGfxScrollFrame.cpp#2427
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33. # [00:05] <mats> dholbert, jaws: pong
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35. # [00:06] <dholbert> mats, I'd like to be able to call nsContainerFrame::StealFramesAfter on a nsBlockFrame, but that method asserts ("unexpected call") when called on a nsBlockFrame. However, repeated calls to StealFrame (for each frame) appears to work fine (aside from being inefficient).... so -- why doesn't StealFramesAfter work for block frames?
36. # [00:06] <jaws> shouldn't that check see if it is a textarea, then to return at that point. but instead it looks like if it *isn't* a textarea then it returns at that point
37. # [00:06] <mats> iirc, nsBlockFrame has its own variant...
38. # [00:06] * mats checks...
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40. # [00:07] <dholbert> mats, nope
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42. # [00:07] <dholbert> mats, (I hit the assertion in the nsContainerFrame impl, when I called it on a nsBlockFrame)
43. # [00:07] <dholbert> (hence, nsBlockFrame inherits the nsContainerFrame impl)
44. # [00:07] <jaws> oh lol, i thought dholbert was volunteering to answer my question hehe
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47. # [00:07] <dholbert> jaws, oh heh :)
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49. # [00:08] <dholbert> jaws, that comment makes sense to me, though, I think
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52. # [00:09] <dholbert> jaws, basically that chunk of code is to exclude scrollbars from <input> elements (but not <textareas>)
53. # [00:09] <jaws> oh i see
54. # [00:09] <dholbert> jaws, presumably both of thsoe have a nsITextControlFrame as their parent
55. # [00:09] <jaws> dholbert: yeah, it's more so saying if it is not a textarea then it assumes it is an input
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57. # [00:09] <dholbert> jaws, yup, I think so
58. # [00:10] * jaws wishes it didn't make assumptions
59. # [00:10] <fryn> jorendorff: if you didn't figure out yet, the <a/> inside #what-is-a-rootstriker has padding: 15px and width: 100% and that's causing the width problem on http://rootstrikers.org/mailings/help-us-fight-sopa/
60. # [00:10] <jorendorff> yeah, someone said so, thanks
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62. # [00:11] <jorendorff> I wonder what UI would have made it easier to figure that out
63. # [00:11] <jorendorff> i mean, the obvious would be
64. # [00:11] <jorendorff> "o hai your web page is always 30px wider than the screen no matter what size your user's screen is"
65. # [00:11] <jorendorff> "this is usually a mistake"
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67. # [00:11] <jorendorff> "in this case caused by this rule on this line of this stylesheet kthxbye"
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69. # [00:12] <jorendorff> but short of that …?
70. # [00:12] <jaws> jorendorff: the CSS doctor may fix that
71. # [00:12] <jorendorff> is there a CSS doctor?
72. # [00:12] <jaws> jorendorff: https://wiki.mozilla.org/DevTools/Features/CSSDoctor
73. # [00:13] <jorendorff> this is serious expert system territory
74. # [00:13] <jorendorff> who is joe walker?
75. # [00:14] <jaws> he works on dev tools
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78. # [00:14] <jaws> jorendorff: http://tuxradar.com/content/interview-mozilla-bespins-joe-walker
79. # [00:15] <mats> dholbert: in that case I think you need to make it virtual and write nsBlockFrame::StealFramesAfter that takes care of fixing up line lists and such...
80. # [00:15] <jorendorff> oh i know that guy!
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83. # [00:15] <dholbert> mats, gotcha, ok
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87. # [00:17] <mbrubeck> jrmuizel: Hate to have to say this, but...
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89. # [00:17] <mbrubeck> Win debug is burning on your inbound push.
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92. # [00:18] <mbrubeck> err, hmm, might not be jrmuizel's fault
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94. # [00:18] <mbrubeck> When was the last green Windows build?
95. # [00:19] <dholbert> mats, ok, thanks
96. # [00:19] <mbrubeck> Looks like the other pushes were all Android-only...
97. # [00:19] <philor> the push right before him
98. # [00:19] <mbrubeck> ah yes, opt is burning too
99. # [00:20] <dholbert> mats, so right now, as a hackaround, I'm just taking a given frame and calling parent->StealFrame() on it & its GetNextSibling() (and the chain of nextSiblings after that) -- aside from being inefficient, should that generally work?
100. # [00:20] <mbrubeck> Let's load up the backout gun.
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102. # [00:20] <espindola> jrmuizel, is the intent of STORE_SEQUENCER to be a memory barrier?
103. # [00:21] <espindola> if so, can't you just use sync_synchronize with gcc in every platform?
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105. # [00:21] <dholbert> mats, (I'm guessing that will probably break for "special" content, but I'm not sure what flavors of "special" -- I think (a) frames with continuations, but not sure what else)
106. # [00:22] <mats> dholbert: yes, that should work
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108. # [00:22] <philor> we should have some sort of a repo where you can, like, "try" patches out
109. # [00:22] <dholbert> mats, ok, thanks
110. # [00:22] <dholbert> philor, I see what you did there...
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117. # [00:27] <mats> dholbert: you would have to stitch up the sibling chain again of course...
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122. # [00:30] <jhammel> scrolling is so smooth in nightly its almost disconcerting ;)
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130. # [00:32] <jrmuizel> espindola: perhaps, I'm not sure
131. # [00:33] <hub> when I do a push to our project hg repository I get "remote: abort: Permission denied: /repo/hg/mozilla/projects/accessibility/.hg/store/00changelog.i"
132. # [00:33] <hub> does that mean I don't have the permissions?
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134. # [00:34] <hub> I have L-2 commit access now
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149. # [00:43] <jrmuizel> mbrubeck: I need to stop pushing
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153. # [00:47] <jaws> if i make a change to \layout\generic\nsGfxScrollFrame.cpp, which directories should i rebuild?
154. # [00:48] <jaws> rebuilding the whole browser is taking too long :P
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163. # [00:52] <taras> jaws: i think layout+toolkit/library
164. # [00:52] <jdm> could somebody push bug 713172 to aurora for me?
165. # [00:52] <jdm> jaws: just use my smartmake: http://hg.mozilla.org/users/josh_joshmatthews.net/smartmake
166. # [00:52] <jdm> never think about directories again
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168. # [00:53] <jaws> jdm, taras: thanks!
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174. # [00:55] <dougt> bent: did that guy get back to you?
175. # [00:55] <jhammel> def echo(s): print s ?!?
176. # [00:55] <bent> dougt, well, at first yes, then no :-/
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180. # Session Ident: #developers
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184. # [00:59] * Topic is 'm-c: OPEN m-i: OPEN try: OPEN || Next aurora uplift: January 31st || If you are new or want to help, see irc://irc.mozilla.org/#introduction || logs: http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/'
185. # [00:59] * Set by mbrubeck on Tue Jan 17 21:36:16
186. # [00:59] <mbrubeck> jdm: The surrounding code has changed so the patch does not apply cleanly, but it looks trivial to resolve...
187. # [00:59] <jdm> bleah
188. # [00:59] <mbrubeck> the two lines you changed are still there
189. # [01:00] <mbrubeck> jdm: Could you just eyeball this and double-check that the change is still valid? http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1452745
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191. # [01:01] <jdm> mbrubeck: what observer notification is that inside?
192. # [01:01] <mbrubeck> jdm: else if (strcmp(aTopic, "quit-application") == 0)
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195. # [01:02] <mbrubeck> jdm: Oh, wait
196. # [01:02] <mbrubeck> jdm: I didn't see there were two pushes
197. # [01:02] <jdm> mbrubeck: I just want the patch that got approval
198. # [01:02] <jdm> mbrubeck: ignore the pushe
199. # [01:02] <jdm> the patch is the rollup
200. # [01:02] <mbrubeck> got it.
201. # [01:03] <jdm> whoops, class in four minutes
202. # [01:03] <jdm> gotta jet
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204. # [01:03] <mbrubeck> np, will push
205. # [01:03] <mbrubeck> (normally I grab the pushes out of "hg export" in case there were review comments addressed between bugzilla and hg)
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219. # [01:07] <mbrubeck> Is smichaud on IRC?
220. # [01:07] <gavin> yes
221. # [01:07] <gavin> with that nick
222. # [01:07] <mbrubeck> ah, on #macdev
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230. # [01:11] <philor> the backout script we really need is one that's wired to a poller watching the pushlog
231. # [01:12] <mbrubeck> philor: If you would just get those neural jacks implanted already...
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233. # [01:12] <jhammel> mbrubeck: i know i'm not planning on them until they run b2g :P
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235. # [01:13] <philor> I wave my hands Minority Report style, but it just doesn't seem to work
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265. # [01:20] <WG9s> Waldo: ping
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273. # [01:26] <Waldo> WG9s: pong
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286. # [01:29] <edmorley> philor++
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290. # [01:30] <WG9s> Waldo: sorry to blame your patch for something seemingly not your fault.
291. # [01:30] <edmorley> philor: or we need firebot to ping in channel if m-c or inbound go red
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293. # [01:31] <WG9s> I wish I had a clue what was really going on here. seems to be a compiler issue. Oddly though everyone who has identified what kidn of system they are running on is not only using the same compiler but on a 64-bit platform.
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296. # [01:32] <WG9s> I wonder if they are all on AMD platforms because I know MSVC works differently on Intel and AMDS platforms.
297. # [01:33] <mwu> I'd expect more 64bit systems to have intel processors though
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299. # [01:33] <WG9s> Waldo: I am also testing a different (still would not understand issue) because iI noticed all the systems where I am filing are running version 7.0 of WIN7 SDK which is out of date.
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304. # [01:35] <WG9s> mwu: perhasp now that microsoft has actually embraced 64-bit when it was just the brain damaged 64-bit XP that really did not work, most people who had 64-bit processors bought them for a dual boot Linux Windows/XP and systems had AMD processors.
305. # [01:35] <jhford> is silent update landed on aurora?
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309. # [01:36] <rs> jhford: not yet
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311. # [01:36] <jhford> i tried to launch aurora just now and was told that it was damaged. i tried a second later and it started just fine, but with the generic app icon with a circle+line 'no sign' over it
312. # [01:36] <jhford> ok
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319. # [01:41] <mwu> WG9s: yeah I'm just guessing that people buying computers with 64bit windows vista/7 have outnumbered the amd 64bit early adopters by now
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321. # [01:42] <WG9s> mwu: but in this channel that is not necessarily the case.
322. # [01:42] <mwu> yeah I'd have no idea for this channel
323. # [01:43] <gavin> ehsan: when is the "undo add to dictionary" item supposed to go away?
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325. # [01:44] <WG9s> besides some of us avoid Intel hardware if we are trying to do virtual madchines because it is hard to tell (unless you are overpaying for an enterprise server class system) if the processor you are geting for your home use is one of those Intel things that did not work correcly with vmware
326. # [01:44] <ehsan> gavin: is it supposed to go away?
327. # [01:44] <WG9s> THey have to sell them to someone.
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329. # [01:44] <WG9s> are not jsut going to throw them all away.
330. # [01:44] <ehsan> gavin: (I was about to leave btw :/)
331. # [01:45] <lurking_work> doesn't 'undo' imply take it away ?
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334. # [01:45] <ehsan> gavin: I think we are supposed to hide it when there are no more items in the undo stack
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336. # [01:45] <biesi> bz_dinner, is this "s/mime for security bugs" thing supposed to work already?
337. # [01:45] <biesi> coz I still got plaintext :)
338. # [01:45] <gavin> ehsan: I just noticed it stick around across page loads, and that surprised me
339. # [01:46] <gavin> anyways, don't let me stop you from leaving :)
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341. # [01:46] <Waldo> biesi: that's getting switched on now?
342. # [01:46] <ehsan> gavin: it should only appear after you add something to the personal dict
343. # [01:46] <ehsan> if not, file a bug please
344. # [01:46] <biesi> Waldo, bz sounded like it is
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350. # [01:49] <Waldo> huh
351. # [01:50] <Dagger> as a user of 64-bit XP, I'd like to point out that it apparently does work just fine
352. # [01:51] <Dagger> in case anybody gets the bright idea to drop support for it in 64-bit versions of Firefox :/
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354. # [01:52] <WG9s> Dagger: I was only trying to make a comment about Micorsofts level of support for 64-bit XP.
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357. # [01:52] <WG9s> The real problem with 64-bit Firefox (from mhy understanding, and I could be wrong) is that it is slower and bigger.
358. # [01:53] <Dagger> ah, that probably wasn't so great... although I believe it gets all patches that 2003 Server gets
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360. # [01:54] <Dagger> xul.dll is 23.3 MB. can't comment on speed
361. # [01:55] <Dagger> having the process not crash on hitting the 32-bit address space limit is, to me, worth whatever minor speed drop is involved
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364. # [01:56] <WG9s> Dagger: but one would thing your browser using enough memory so it hits the 32-bit address space limit is kind of an issue in and of itself.
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371. # [02:00] <Dagger> WG9s: 898 tabs
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373. # [02:00] <Dagger> which admittedly is a bit of an issue, but a non-technical one
374. # [02:01] <RobertClaypool> Well IE would hit the limit too, probably, if it was just as easy to open as many tabs as I do if Firefox... any other browser would hit the limit too.
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376. # [02:01] <RobertClaypool> how do you get a count of how many tabs you have open?
377. # [02:02] <Ledm> How make money with addons?
378. # [02:02] <Dagger> it's also easier to bump into the limit opening large images, since a single image requires a contiguous block of memory, and fragmentation is an issue
379. # [02:02] <WG9s> Dagger: That is a layer 8 problem. ;-)
380. # [02:02] <RobertClaypool> layer 8?
381. # [02:02] <Dagger> RobertClaypool: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/tabhunter/ has a count
382. # [02:02] <WG9s> There are 7 layers of the OSI model.
383. # [02:03] <WG9s> model
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386. # [02:03] <WG9s> SO people amde up a lyer 8 for user issues.
387. # [02:03] <Dagger> I also have "Tab Counter" installed, but that's only per-window
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389. # [02:04] <WG9s> Dagger: Of course withour tab couner, how would you ever know you had 898 tabs?
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391. # [02:04] <WG9s> is this a Guiness book of world records attempt?
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394. # [02:05] <Dagger> in principle I could just count them myself
395. # [02:05] <Dagger> no, I'm clearly just mixing up bookmarks and tabs a bit :-)
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399. # [02:06] <Ledm> how make money with addons?
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401. # [02:07] <Ledm> I Have ahard addon...
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403. # [02:08] <jhammel> open source it and reap the good karma that accrues? :)
404. # [02:08] <WG9s> Dagger: yes i try to manage to organize my bookmarks into a hierarchical menu system but I do star them and organize later rather than keep a tab open that i really might never go back to. I guess it is 2 different ways of working.
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409. # [02:10] <WG9s> I figure the computer is a tool to help me so trying to work in a way that does not tax the resources of the tool permits it to help me even more.
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418. # [02:14] <Dagger> on the other hand, why spend time organizing bookmarks when I could just stick 16 GB of RAM in and not care how much the browser is using
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422. # [02:15] <Dagger> though that could be counter-productive... I guess one of the reasons I avoid bookmarks is that tabs are more irritating, and thus more likely to be dealt with at some point. if I relegate this stuff to bookmarks, I'll never look at it again
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427. # [02:16] <WG9s> Dagger: are not really organized so you have to do something but then it would seem that if you have 898 of them, that is not really working for you either. Glad to meet someone even less organized than I am ;-)
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429. # [02:18] <WG9s> Almost sounds like you are arguing against yourself here. You should be using the 32-bit browser to force you to do something about organizing the things you have in tabs into bookmarks. ;-)
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431. # [02:19] <Dagger> it's not that it's not working, I'm just an excellent procrastinator
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433. # [02:20] <bent> huh, do we not package the executable tests?
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435. # [02:22] <WG9s> Dagger: KInd of what I figured, but find it just odd that you can work that way. I am the most unorganized procrastinating person I know. Not sure I could ever deal with 898 tabs though.
436. # [02:22] <WG9s> I am actaully impressed that you can actually work this way.
437. # [02:22] <WG9s> and that Firefox is flexible enough to permit you to do so.
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440. # [02:23] <Dagger> I have actually bent the truth a little up there... the 898 tab session is in 3.6 (so 32-bit), and I use BarTab to unload unused tabs. but still; if it wasn't for BarTab the session would crash due to address space limits
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442. # [02:25] <Dagger> I also omitted that I set /LARGEADDRESSAWARE to up the limit to 4 GB, which helps a lot (and Fx ~5 do that by default)... but as the build team discovered the other week, you can't just set that and expect it to fix your problems forever :-)
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447. # [02:28] <RyanVM> njn: i tagged the sqlite bug with [MemShrink] due to the new memory releasing behavior, FWIW
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449. # [02:28] <njn> RyanVM: yep, but we have another bug for that, and the sqlite upgrade bug blocks that bug
450. # [02:29] <RyanVM> fair enough
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453. # [02:29] <Dagger> WG9s: I basically just ignore the first n tabs in each window. although, even if I closed all of them... I still find it pretty easy to open >100 tabs temporarily if I'm programming or researching something
454. # [02:29] <mike5w3c> ddahl: Ms2ger says maybe you want a new dvcs.w3.org repo to be added?
455. # [02:29] <edmorley> WG9s: is this the same as you are seeing? https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.dev.builds/6drSGoMYbvU
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457. # [02:30] <Dagger> WG9s: and if I then get distracted and start programming/researching something else without bothering to close the previous tabs...
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460. # [02:31] <WG9s> edmorley: as far as i know everyone seeing this versionis runing MSVC9 express
461. # [02:31] <edmorley> ah
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464. # [02:31] <WG9s> this report is running MSVC 10 so sounds different from at least that perspective.
465. # [02:32] <WG9s> edmorley: but the fact that the issue is in mozjs.dll sounds a lot like the same thing.
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478. # [02:38] <dolske> "Enable Azure canvas on OS X" ooooohhhhhh....
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483. # [02:47] <dholbert> bz_dinner, hopefully https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=718877#c7 makes more sense than my previous comments -- if not, let me know if I'm still missing something (definitely possible) or if something's fuzzy
484. # [02:48] <jbuck> WG9s: now that you mention mozjs.dll, a friend of mine had a similar problem
485. # [02:48] <jbuck> using VS2010, no .mozconfig
486. # [02:48] <jbuck> once I added the .mozconfig, it did work though..
487. # [02:49] <WG9s> I just changed the severity, once again, from critical to blocker we shall see how long this lasts.
488. # [02:49] <jbuck> hm, I don't see an image attachment though..
489. # [02:50] <WG9s> jbuck: oh so adding a .mozconfig helped might be nice to know what was in that .mozconfig
490. # [02:50] <WG9s> but builds are supposed to work without one.
491. # [02:50] <jbuck> lemme see if he's online, so he can comment in the bug
492. # [02:51] <Tobbi> Question: Are flash objects supposed to be zoomed with the rest of the page when you press Ctrl+ + ?
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494. # [02:51] <WG9s> Using one that mimics what the official nighties do has NOT worked for me though.
495. # [02:52] <RyanVM> jlebar_: ping
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503. # [02:55] <jlebar_> RyanVM: ack
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506. # [02:55] <RyanVM> hah
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509. # [02:55] <RyanVM> I dno't get it
510. # [02:55] <RyanVM> the log clearly shows LIBJPEG_TURBO_ARM_ASM as being set to 1
511. # [02:55] <RyanVM> yet somehow not only is the makefile not seeing it, the no-simd logic also isn't being triggered
512. # [02:56] <RyanVM> so even the no-simd file doesn't get built
513. # [02:56] <WG9s> edmorley: anyway I also have 2 builds running to look at this from another angle. I noticed that both system I have used to produce the bad builds have an out of date WIN7 SDK.
514. # [02:56] <jlebar|mac> RyanVM: O.o
515. # [02:56] <WG9s> 7.0 vs latest version which is 7.1.
516. # [02:56] <jlebar|mac> RyanVM: You're probably missing an AC_DEFINE or AC_SUBST or something of LIBJPEG_TURBO_ARM_ASM?
517. # [02:56] <RyanVM> jlebar|mac: funny thing is that for awhile, I had missed the autoconf.mk.in change, and then the no-simd case was at least being hit
518. # [02:57] <RyanVM> but when I added it, then it started failing worse
519. # [02:57] <RyanVM> but I can't see anything I'm missing vs. what's used (and works) for x86 and x64
520. # [02:57] <jlebar|mac> RyanVM: There's a make echo-variable-VAR target which may be helpful.
521. # [02:57] <jlebar|mac> At least, I think that's the target.
522. # [02:58] <RyanVM> yes, I would love to be able to have the makefile echo the value it's seeing
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525. # [02:58] <jlebar|mac> RyanVM: It sounds like $(LIBJPEG_TURBO_X86_ASM)$(LIBJPEG_TURBO_X64_ASM)$(LIBJPEG_TURBO_ARM_ASM) is not the empty string!
526. # [02:58] <RyanVM> or at least echo *something* if a block of logic is hit
527. # [02:59] <jlebar|mac> let's see if that echo target works.
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530. # [03:00] <RyanVM> just saw your reply to the bug
531. # [03:00] <RyanVM> IIUC, gcc does the assembling for ARM code
532. # [03:00] <RyanVM> not yasm
533. # [03:01] <jlebar|mac> RyanVM: But you're seeing a more basic problem.
534. # [03:01] <RyanVM> yeah
535. # [03:01] <RyanVM> it's not even getting that far
536. # [03:01] <jlebar|mac> RyanVM: Sure, but then you still need to set gcc as the assembler. I suspect that once you fix the problem you're seeing, the compilation will die because it'll try to invoke the empty assembler.
537. # [03:01] <jlebar|mac> But maybe not!
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542. # [03:04] <RyanVM> i don't see how LIBJPEG_TURBO_AS is being set
543. # [03:04] <jlebar|mac> RyanVM: It should get set to yasm.
544. # [03:05] <RyanVM> i don't see where
545. # [03:05] <RyanVM> i see where it's checking if it is yasm
546. # [03:05] <jlebar|mac> RyanVM: Second-to-last occurrence of LIBJPEG_TURBO_AS in configure.in?
547. # [03:05] <jlebar|mac> AC_CHECK_PROGS
548. # [03:06] <RyanVM> how does that work?
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550. # [03:06] <jlebar|mac> RyanVM: I think it sets the variable if the program exists.
551. # [03:06] <ewong> can someone explain to me why there doesn't explain why "bin/libmozglue.so" doesn't get made for Linux but "bin/mozglue.dll" is created in Windows?
552. # [03:06] <RyanVM> ok
553. # [03:06] <mjschranz> firebot uuid
554. # [03:06] <firebot> d7cdd08e-1bfd-4bc3-9742-d66586781ee2 (/msg firebot cid for CID form)
555. # [03:06] <RyanVM> so if true, yasm, if false, ""
556. # [03:06] <jlebar|mac> RyanVM: http://www.gnu.org/savannah-checkouts/gnu/autoconf/manual/autoconf-2.68/html_node/Generic-Programs.html
557. # [03:06] <jlebar|mac> yes
558. # [03:07] <RyanVM> ok, libvpx' logic will probably help in that case
559. # [03:07] <jbuck> ewong: shared library vs static library
560. # [03:07] <jbuck> it has to do with jemalloc, I think?
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562. # [03:08] <ewong> jbuck: so in linux it's made as a static library (thus no need for shared) and in windows it's a shared
563. # [03:08] <jbuck> yeah, OS X, Windows, and Android it's a shared lib
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565. # [03:08] <ewong> ooooh thanks jbuck
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567. # [03:09] <jduell> biesi: ping
568. # [03:09] <biesi> jduell, pong
569. # [03:10] <jduell> biesi: so in bug 688345 folks want a necko error to show up in the web log. AFAICT we don't ever log to the web console within necko, and i assume I should keep it that way (i.e. the necko client would need to do this)
570. # [03:10] <jduell> right?
571. # [03:10] <jduell> biesi: Or we could try to crank out an error page that explains the error, but I assume localization would make that a pain
572. # [03:11] <biesi> the logging service is in xpcom
573. # [03:11] <biesi> logging to it from necko seems fine to me
574. # [03:11] * biesi goes to look at the bug
575. # [03:11] <RyanVM> jlebar|mac: looks like @echo $(Foo) shoudl work
576. # [03:12] <biesi> right
577. # [03:12] <biesi> jduell, yeah logging from necko seems fine
578. # [03:13] <jduell> biesi: ok, thanks
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580. # [03:13] <jduell> biesi: is there an easy way to get the HTTP header name from an atom?
581. # [03:14] <biesi> ->ToString()?
582. # [03:14] <jduell> aha!
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585. # [03:14] <biesi> jduell, why do you need that?
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589. # [03:15] <jduell> biesi: well, I need to log a message to the web console saying "you had two content-length headers", etc, and all I've got is the atom
590. # [03:15] <jduell> at least where I'm at in the cod.
591. # [03:15] <jduell> e
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596. # [03:16] <biesi> jduell, you're doing this in a way that doesn't just require if (atom == nsHttp::Content_Length)?
597. # [03:17] <jduell> biesi, yeah I'm using functions like "IsSingletonHeader", so it could be one of many headers
598. # [03:17] <joe> ehsan: omg the find behaviour is so much better now
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602. # [03:18] <biesi> jduell, ahh, ok
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609. # [03:21] <ewong> ted ping
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611. # [03:22] <cl> bz_dinner: ping
612. # [03:22] <dholbert> mats, ping?
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615. # [03:22] <dholbert> mats, nevermind (un-ping)
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617. # [03:24] <Kwan> WG9s: I think I just hit that Windows build problem
618. # [03:25] <Kwan> If I use your backout patch, do i just need to build from objdir/js to do an incremental?
619. # [03:25] <ewong> Kwan doesn't matter.. it works either way
620. # [03:26] <WG9s> i had trouble gettign anthign other than clobbgering the objdir to build but that may have been cause I was doing a bisect to find the issue and could have been related to a different checkin.
621. # [03:27] <WG9s> So I relly don;t have an answer I did a clobber.
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624. # [03:27] <Kwan> Okay, thanks
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627. # [03:28] <WG9s> Kwan: BTW what version ov MSVC are you using?
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630. # [03:30] <ewong> actually I tried both.. and both worked..
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633. # [03:31] <Kwan> Wouldn't install properly, but MDN said I could just use the command line compiler in the Win 7 SDK, implying it's equivalent to VC9/2008
634. # [03:31] <Kwan> so that
635. # [03:31] <WG9s> I just had a lot of trouble trying to track down the regression using hg bisect I think becuase fo other things checked in near the bug causing the regression that required a clobber.
636. # [03:32] <WG9s> or at least a pratial clobber.
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638. # [03:32] <RyanVM> jlebar|mac: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=5d7faac79788 - we'll see what happens
639. # [03:32] <jlebar|mac> RyanVM: You don't have a local setup?
640. # [03:32] <RyanVM> for android? no
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642. # [03:33] <RyanVM> builds fine on Windows :P
643. # [03:33] <jlebar|mac> heh
644. # [03:33] <RyanVM> 4.12 +test-arm-asm:
645. # [03:33] <RyanVM> 4.13 + @echo "LIBJPEG_TURBO_ARM_ASM is set to $(LIBJPEG_TURBO_ARM_ASM)"
646. # [03:33] <jduell> biesi: hmm, looks like we localize error console messages, too, from looking at the websockets code. If we're going to go through all that fuss, might as well actually spit out HTML with the error instead of hiding it in the web console?
647. # [03:33] <RyanVM> that's what I added to Makefile.in
648. # [03:33] <biesi> jduell, we do, yeah. necko already has localization files
649. # [03:33] <gps> bug 711300 is calling on me to check it in. can I just check in a checkin-needed bug like that?
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651. # [03:33] <biesi> jduell, that works too
652. # [03:34] <biesi> I thought we already show an error page for this
653. # [03:34] <biesi> but maybe I skimmed the bug too much
654. # [03:34] <jduell> biesi: so what do I have to do to spit out an HTML page with an error description on it?
655. # [03:34] <WG9s> Kwan: I was doing 2 builds to see if the issue is SDK related so far all the failed builds I have used version 7.0 of the WIN7 SDK and I see there is a version 7.1 available so doing a build using that. Don't have mush hope that it will maek a difference, but you never know unless you try.
656. # [03:34] <jduell> We just spit out some sort of generic "this page has corrupted content" error: as opposed to saying "Error: server replied with two Content-Length headers"
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659. # [03:35] <jduell> biesi: I'm just wondering how much work it is to customize the HTML error page
660. # [03:36] <biesi> jduell, that's all kinda messy
661. # [03:36] <biesi> jduell, so basically the error message to show is passed as a ?foo=bar param to the error page
662. # [03:36] <biesi> one sec
663. # [03:37] <biesi> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/docshell/base/nsDocShell.cpp#4110
664. # [03:37] <jduell> oh boy, docshell!
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666. # [03:37] <biesi> jduell, and the entire horrible if at http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/docshell/base/nsDocShell.cpp#3831
667. # [03:38] <biesi> jduell, yep, that's where error pages live
668. # [03:38] <biesi> not sure I like everything about how they were designed, but I only fixed them up, not designed them :)
669. # [03:38] <jduell> biesi: so does this support Unicode? Any way to localize message?
670. # [03:38] <biesi> jduell, of course
671. # [03:38] <biesi> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/b2g/locales/en-US/chrome/overrides/appstrings.properties
672. # [03:38] <biesi> wait wrong file
673. # [03:39] <biesi> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/b2g/locales/en-US/chrome/overrides/appstrings.properties
674. # [03:39] <biesi> c&p error
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676. # [03:39] <biesi> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/browser/locales/en-US/chrome/overrides/appstrings.properties#40
677. # [03:39] <biesi> jduell, ^
678. # [03:39] <jduell> biesi: so how do I pass the error string from necko to the docshell?
679. # [03:39] <biesi> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/dom/locales/en-US/chrome/netError.dtd#49
680. # [03:39] <biesi> jduell, don't do that
681. # [03:39] <biesi> oh I see
682. # [03:39] <biesi> yeah good luck with that
683. # [03:40] <jduell> Well how are we doing it now? Just mapping nsresult error codes to error pages?
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685. # [03:40] <biesi> right
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687. # [03:40] <jduell> biesi: ugh
688. # [03:40] <biesi> we do substitute certain values into the strings (host, port, etc)
689. # [03:40] <biesi> but it's basically that
690. # [03:41] <biesi> extending that in a localizable way without coupling docshell and necko too much might be tricky
691. # [03:41] <jduell> biesi: we should really be able to do better than that. meh
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694. # [03:42] <jduell> biesi: well, we could always do something hokey like do the localization in necko, and have the channel have an accessor method that allows any client (docshell, whatev) to fetch it
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699. # [03:42] <biesi> jduell, yeah, that'd be an option
700. # [03:43] <biesi> jduell, like a "AString statusDescription" property next to the "nsresult status" on nsIREquest
701. # [03:43] <jduell> biesi: meanwhile I guess I could do something like spit up a fairly generic error page that tells the user to look in the web console.
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703. # [03:43] <biesi> jduell, yeah, maybe consult with UX on that too :)
704. # [03:44] <jduell> biesi: is the code that maps from nsresult to HTML boilerplate page in the mxr links you sent me?
705. # [03:44] <jduell> What do I have to do to add a new error code and page?
706. # [03:44] <jduell> Be good for me to know that. (I might even document it!)
707. # [03:45] <biesi> jduell, yes, that's the code. to add a new one all you have to do is to add to that if statement and add the string in the dtd/properties file
708. # [03:45] <biesi> all half-dozen copies of the file
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710. # [03:46] <jduell> biesi: lovely. Thanks.
711. # [03:46] <biesi> np
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722. # [03:55] <jduell> biesi: umm, so the various appstrings.properties files don't override each other? We just pick one? I'm seeing the exact same string (for corruptedContentError at least) in all of them, which would seem superfluous otherwise
723. # [03:56] <biesi> jduell, ah, well
724. # [03:56] <biesi> so
725. # [03:56] <biesi> jduell, there is one of them for core, which avoids product-specific text
726. # [03:56] <biesi> jduell, and then there is one per app, which does have product-specific text
727. # [03:57] <jduell> biesi: huh. I thought we handles that elsewhere by making the product name a format specifier in the string.
728. # [03:57] <biesi> jduell, there's more product-specific stuff in there
729. # [03:57] <biesi> although I don't recall now which one
730. # [03:57] <jduell> biesi: ok
731. # [04:00] <ewong> anyone familiar with the package-manifest.in file?
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737. # [04:03] <jbuck> ewong: I've been dealing with it recently
738. # [04:03] <jbuck> trying to fix a package error? :)
739. # [04:03] <ewong> jbuck yeah.
740. # [04:04] <ewong> jbuck specifically bug #717493 but I can't tell if proxyObject.xpt is a needed file on some platforms or it's not needed at all..
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742. # [04:04] <jbuck> oh
743. # [04:04] <jbuck> that was something that got removed I think
744. # [04:04] <ewong> jbuck I looked at the build results for the OSX and it's not present.. while it's present in linux and Windows
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747. # [04:05] <ewong> 'by present, I mean the warning is present'
748. # [04:05] <jbuck> hmm, https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=675221 was the bug that nuked it I think, but I'm not sure if it landed...
749. # [04:06] <ewong> jbuck thanks! similiarly, bug #716397, this one looks like a platform dependent issue that I asked earlier
750. # [04:06] <jbuck> yeah, I think it's gone for good, from looking at https://bug675221.bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=549394
751. # [04:07] <jbuck> lets double check that assertion..
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753. # [04:07] <jbuck> interesting how it only throws an error on one platform though
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757. # [04:09] <ewong> jbuck you're looking at the build logs right?
758. # [04:10] <jbuck> yeah, I ahve some from when I was testing my patch
759. # [04:11] <ewong> I don't get it.. I see the error in the Linux and Windows platform.. but none in the OSX one..
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761. # [04:11] <jbuck> huh, I see it in my log
762. # [04:11] <ewong> but that line is clearly in the package-manifest.in file
763. # [04:12] <jbuck> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1452828
764. # [04:13] <ewong> oooh.. I see it.. it's generated elsewhere
765. # [04:13] <ewong> jbuck: that's neat! so I guess I can junk that line then
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767. # [04:14] <jbuck> Yeah, I think it's safe to get rid of proxyObject.xpt
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769. # [04:16] <ewong> jbuck thanks! Very much appreciate the help with this..
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771. # [04:16] <jbuck> I'm happy to help, after banging my head with fixing the mozglue.dll error :)
772. # [04:19] <ewong> jbuck ahh so you're the person who's doing bug #716397! wicked! I'm considering porting your change to SeaMonkey!
773. # [04:19] <jbuck> haha, I was just going to ask about that
774. # [04:19] <jbuck> how do you port changes between c-c and m-c?
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776. # [04:20] <ewong> jbuck without a patch in m-c, it's very difficult for me.. as I'm not particularly good at this.. but with a patch in m-c, I can at least figure out which files I need to consider..
777. # [04:20] <ewong> jbuck I know it's 'copy and paste', but I consider the m-c patch as a mentor
778. # [04:20] <jbuck> heh
779. # [04:21] <dolske> ehsan: quickish ping?
780. # [04:21] <ewong> jbuck so I thank you for your help in understanding this package-manifest.in file. like Makefiles, it's hard to figure out alone.. (well.. the package-manifest.in is *easier* than Makefiles)
781. # [04:23] <jbuck> np
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784. # [04:25] <jbuck> to port over my patch, looks like you want to edit http://mxr.mozilla.org/comm-central/source/suite/installer/package-manifest.in and http://mxr.mozilla.org/comm-central/source/suite/installer/Makefile.in I think?
785. # [04:25] <jbuck> (I'm assuming suite==seamonkey, I've never worked with c-c before)
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788. # [04:30] <ewong> jbuck: yeah.. I tried your patch and it seems to work..
789. # [04:30] <ewong> jbuck yup suite == seamonkey
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813. # [04:59] <philor> I wonder, if we broke nsIProcess.kill on Linux, would anyone notice?
814. # [05:00] <cmr> When does firefox kill a process?
815. # [05:00] <cmr> Plugins?
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821. # [05:05] <philor> for nsIFoo, http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/find?string=nsiprocess is usually a good bet, since there'll mostly be an idl with that name that will sort of roughly tell you what it does
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836. # [05:18] <Mook> nsIProcess.kill probably doesn't work cross-platform anyway, right? so probably not as much...
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840. # [05:22] <philor> I can neither confirm nor deny that any part of nsIProcess has ever worked
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846. # [05:27] <Mook> I can confirm that synchronously running things on the main thread, blocking all user interaction, has worked at one point.
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853. # [05:34] <jdm> huh, I updated macports and upgraded the out of date ports, and hg disappeared from under me D:
854. # [05:34] <philor> they probably thought you should install it directly, instead of messing with and waiting for them
855. # [05:34] <ewong> who do I get for review for code/line changes in browser/installer? Is it defaulted to the Firefox(browser) peers?
856. # [05:36] <ewong> oh wait.. it's a buildconfig bug...
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858. # [05:38] <ewong> guess t_ed's the best person to ask..
859. # [05:38] <ewong> er I mean ted
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861. # [05:39] <Mook> and if it wasn't, probably :rs for actual installer changes.
862. # [05:39] <philor> mbrubeck: I think I've figured out your pattern of M3 failures: the pattern is that workers and editor have their tests in M3
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868. # [05:57] <jdm> grr, I can't figure out why my download manager patch bounced on aurora
869. # [06:01] <jdm> aha!
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884. # [06:21] <philor> yeah, true
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886. # [06:22] <philor> the systems are pretty illustrative: Chrome has some algo where tests that intermittently fail are automatically retried and eventually automatically marked as flaky; we let two or three people trick themselves into being the only ones who will ever do it
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892. # [06:29] <Mavericks> hello all,
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894. # [06:29] <Mavericks> Is anyone here planning to attend the pycon 2012 conference from march. 7-15?
895. # [06:29] <Mavericks> please let me know
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916. # [06:54] <jesup> This is funny for so many reasons.... ;-) (from trying to load a Slashdot comment): Error 503 Service Unavailable \n Service Unavailable \n Guru Meditation: XID: 408155818
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920. # [07:00] <glob> oh man, haven't seen a guru meditation error for _some time_ :)
921. # [07:06] <glob> bmo has just been updated: bugzil.la/715424,715771,714335,712141,718593,718626,686184
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925. # [07:13] <Yoric> hi
926. # [07:13] <Mavericks> hi
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935. # [07:29] <bsmith> what is the name of the bugzilla link shortener and/or how can I get bugzilla to spit out a shortened link?
936. # [07:29] <glob> http://bugzil.la/ i guess
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938. # [07:30] <glob> usage depends on the original bugzilla url
939. # [07:30] <bsmith> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?list_id=2087812&field0-0-0=status_whiteboard&type0-0-1=substring&field0-0-1=keywords&classification=Components&value0-0-2=psm-startup&query_format=advanced&field0-0-2=status_whiteboard&value0-0-1=perf&type0-0-0=substring&value0-0-0=[ts]&component=Security%3A%20PSM&product=Core&type0-0-2=substring
940. # [07:31] <glob> i don't think it supports advanced searches, just quick search. reed?
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944. # [07:35] <glob> bsmith, note that's already a shortened link (they used to be much longer!)
945. # [07:35] * glob adds bug 473426 to his not-short todo list
946. # [07:37] <tn> philor, does the orange on mozilla-beta look decidedly random to you?
947. # [07:37] <bsmith> glob: thanks for your help!
948. # [07:37] <philor> looking
949. # [07:38] <philor> tn: decidedly non-random, it's clearly very concentrated in the Android regions ;)
950. # [07:38] <tn> philor, heh, like usual :)
951. # [07:40] <philor> tn: but that R2 has a suggestion of "near-permaorange" because it was near-permaorange before it got fixed, one train-car behind that one
952. # [07:40] * beltzner grumbles about "random"
953. # [07:40] <beltzner> glob: effin' hot today
954. # [07:40] <philor> just pound on the retrigger button is generally a somewhat-expensive but workable solution, but in that case, someone at some point has to actually look at the suggestion
955. # [07:40] <glob> beltzner, i guess :)
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957. # [07:41] <philor> beltzner: thanks to you, I can type "intermittent" perfectly correctly with one hand
958. # [07:41] <beltzner> tmi
959. # [07:43] <glob> beltzner, tip: don't go outside :)
960. # [07:43] <beltzner> yeah, walking for lunch today was ... poor
961. # [07:43] <KWierso> beltzner: trade ya. currently 8F here
962. # [07:44] <glob> KWierso, 97F here
963. # [07:44] <KWierso> nevermind
964. # [07:44] <glob> lol
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971. # [07:47] <philor> tn: your Android b-c is my favorite of the lot, though, because it failed because someone killed an Android test run on try
972. # [07:47] <philor> nobody wears bigger clownshoes than us, *nobody*
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976. # [07:50] <Callek> bz_dinner: off topic, I know... BUT even if you're not republican, Scott Brown voting NO on PIPA and SOPA oughta make you smile :-)
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979. # [07:51] <tn> philor, wow, i have no idea how you would figure out that causal relationship existed in the first place
980. # [07:51] <@bz_dinner> callek: mmm
981. # [07:52] <@bz_dinner> callek: his office's response to me back when was somewhat noncommital
982. # [07:52] <@bz_dinner> callek: and fwiw, no I'm not republican and yes, I voted for Brown
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984. # [07:52] <Callek> bz_dinner: well he posted on Facebook his stance on it today
985. # [07:52] <@bz_dinner> good, good
986. # [07:52] <Callek> bz_dinner: to quote: "I’m going to vote NO on PIPA and SOPA. The Internet is too important to our economy."
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989. # [07:54] <tn> philor, thanks
990. # [07:54] <philor> tn: np, thanks for the reminder to look down there, shout if it oranges up again
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992. # [07:55] <philor> my connection is sucking more than usual, so I can't keep five open at once
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995. # [07:59] <eflores> Say, is there anything on a document or pres shell that needs to be called to clean up?
996. # [07:59] <eflores> I'm leaking memory out the wazoo and they all seem to be from event listeners
997. # [08:00] * eflores is on a silly question roll this week
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1003. # [08:09] <gaston> an user reported a crash of his machine going to google.com/nexus with 10.0b4
1004. # [08:09] <gaston> might it be 702651, even if it's on openbsd and not on arm/android ?
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1025. # [08:38] <philor> tn: I can get the rest, but could you do me one favor on aurora, load https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=8629412&tree=Mozilla-Aurora and tell me that it ends in 50MB of repeated test_writer_starvation.html lines?
1026. # [08:38] <tn> philor, ok
1027. # [08:39] <philor> they're a little hard on your browser, but not as hard as they are to load over 3G with barely one bar :)
1028. # [08:39] <philor> and yes, it is pretty sick that I know from the way it fails to load what the failure will be
1029. # [08:41] <philor> oh, actually, tbpl's been choking on those lately, might have to take the long way around to a direct link to the log on ftp.m.o
1030. # [08:42] <philor> which would be http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/tinderbox-builds/mozilla-aurora-win32-pgo/1326850300/mozilla-aurora_win7_test_pgo-mochitests-2-build238.txt.gz
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1032. # [08:43] <philor> which even I can load down to the infinite loop, I need to start remembering that instead of looking for a victim
1033. # [08:43] <philor> tn: sorry, I got it
1034. # [08:44] <tn> philor, ok, cause it wasn't loading at all for me
1035. # [08:44] <tn> 3G only??
1036. # [08:44] <Yoric> And now comes that painful time when the patch works, the tests work, and all that remains to do is 1/ cleaning-up code 2/ dividing into tiny patches.
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1038. # [08:45] <philor> tn: yeah, if you're ever stuck with one of those, the secret is to load the log for the xpcshell (because it's small), get the link to "download full log" from it, trim off the filename, to get the directory on ftp.m.o, then you can load them without having to deal with tbpl's inefficient parsing
1039. # [08:46] <@bz_dinner> tn: thanks for setting me straight in bug 713427
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1042. # [08:47] <tn> bz_dinner, oh, awesome, thanks for patching that.
1043. # [08:48] <tn> bz_dinner, this does change my understanding of the lazy bits, so we might want to look over the frame constructor code with this in mind
1044. # [08:48] <@bz_dinner> tn: sorry for the crappy code to start with
1045. # [08:48] <@bz_dinner> tn: and for you getting stuck with the review.. ;)
1046. # [08:48] <@bz_dinner> tn: fwiw, this does match the understanding I had when I reviewed those patches
1047. # [08:48] <@bz_dinner> tn: it's just been a while
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1052. # [08:53] * @bz_dinner wonders how usable a PIN-less swipe card is in France
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1057. # [08:55] <glazou> bonjour
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1059. # [08:59] <@bz_dinner> speaking of people in France... ;)
1060. # [08:59] <@bz_dinner> good morning
1061. # [08:59] <@bz_dinner> or more precisely in my case good night. ;)
1062. # [08:59] * glob|away is now known as glob
1063. # [09:00] <@bz_dinner> do have a question, though
1064. # [09:00] <@bz_dinner> say I hypothetically visit France and have a typical US magnetic-stripe credit card
1065. # [09:00] <@bz_dinner> no PIN, just swipe+sign
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1067. # [09:00] <@bz_dinner> how much of a problem is that in practice?
1068. # [09:00] <@bz_dinner> (outside of automated machines of various sorts, where I understand it's a serious problem)
1069. # [09:01] <felipe> philor: so the patch in bug 706897 fixed the orange. what's the usual procedure to orange that made into aurora? leave it there for 6 weeks, or get approval-aurora for test-only?
1070. # [09:01] <philor> felipe: oh, get approval, get it get it get it, approval
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1074. # [09:02] * @bz_dinner imagines philor with those pom-pom things
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1076. # [09:02] <philor> (because that failure is really hard to persuade tbpl to actually load, for some unknown reason)
1077. # [09:02] <philor> little kid in the cereal aisle, pulling on your pants leg, was what I was going for
1078. # [09:04] <glazou> bz: not a problem at all
1079. # [09:04] <glazou> of course, transactions are less secure
1080. # [09:04] <philor> felipe: they're really good about granting test-only approval, I think we just don't ask for it much because we still surprised by the idea of test-only not having automatic approval
1081. # [09:05] <glazou> bz: please understand zillions of tourists have same issue and they still can visit the country :-)
1082. # [09:05] <felipe> done, have your cereal!
1083. # [09:05] * Mavericks|lunch is now known as Mavericks
1084. # [09:05] <felipe> but no more chocolate until the end of the week
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1086. # [09:06] <philor> chocolate! chocolate frosted sugar bombs, that's what I wanted!
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1088. # [09:07] <felipe> http://o5.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/ucsi009245.jpg
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1090. # [09:07] <philor> hahaha
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1095. # [09:12] <philor> huh. I'm actually caught up, for the first time since sometime Sunday
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1098. # [09:19] <eflores> Event listeners are jerks
1099. # [09:19] <eflores> OH HAI, I'M IN UR REFCOUNTER LEAKIN UR MEMORY
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1108. # [09:23] <@bz> glazou: the secure thing doesn't bother me
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1110. # [09:23] <glazou> bz: so no problem
1111. # [09:23] <@bz> glazou: whether I can buy stuff with the credit card is more important. ;)
1112. # [09:23] <glazou> yeah you can, but be ready to show your passport
1113. # [09:23] <@bz> glazou: I assume my understanding that I'm likely to be SOL for automated machines is correct?
1114. # [09:23] <@bz> glazou: heh
1115. # [09:23] <@bz> glazou: yeah, I got that part too
1116. # [09:23] <glazou> I don't know
1117. # [09:24] <glazou> all ATMs will work for you
1118. # [09:24] <@bz> glazou: fwiw, I'll be in Paris from Fri morning to next Sat
1119. # [09:24] <@bz> glazou: yeah, I have a non-credit-card ATM card anyway
1120. # [09:24] <glazou> too bad you'll miss the CSS WG ftf right after that
1121. # [09:24] <@bz> glazou: All I have to do is find a BNP Paribas ATM
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1123. # [09:24] <glazou> you should extend your trip
1124. # [09:24] <@bz> glazou: which looks like it should be easy once I get out of CDG
1125. # [09:24] <@bz> glazou: not an option
1126. # [09:25] <glazou> BNP atms are all over the place
1127. # [09:25] <glazou> too bad
1128. # [09:25] <@bz> glazou: well, all over the place outside CDG. ;)
1129. # [09:25] <glazou> why do you need only BNP?
1130. # [09:25] <@bz> glazou: because Bank of America has a no-atm-charges setup with them
1131. # [09:25] <@bz> glazou: so I don't _need_ them
1132. # [09:25] <glazou> I see
1133. # [09:26] <@bz> glazou: but it means I can withdraw money as needed, not as much as I can at once
1134. # [09:26] <glazou> yep
1135. # [09:26] <glazou> then I suggest you get a few euros while in the US
1136. # [09:26] <hsivonen> bz: you won't be able to buy tram tickets from a vending machine
1137. # [09:26] <@bz> glazou: my last trip to Europe I ended up with about 150 euros left over
1138. # [09:26] <glazou> so you don't need to get cash at CDG
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1141. # [09:26] * hsivonen bought tickets for Americans in Lyons during TPAC there
1142. # [09:26] <@bz> glazou: which I can't locate now, of course. ;)
1143. # [09:26] <glazou> here you are
1144. # [09:26] <glazou> lol
1145. # [09:26] <glazou> of course
1146. # [09:26] <glazou> happens to me all the time with my US$
1147. # [09:27] <@bz> glazou: it _has_ been 7 years and I think 3 moves
1148. # [09:27] <@bz> glazou: iirc
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1150. # [09:27] <@bz> hsivonen: the vending machines don't take cash?
1151. # [09:27] <@bz> hsivonen: I figure my vending machine problems are solved once I find an ATM....
1152. # [09:28] <hsivonen> bz: I don't recall. I tend not to carry cash in the eurozone
1153. # [09:28] <hsivonen> (except Germany. German merchants severely dislike Visa and MasterCard)
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1155. # [09:28] <hsivonen> bz: does your card support Visa Debit?
1156. # [09:29] <hsivonen> bz: there are two classes of ATMs: those that support Visa Credit and those that support both Debit and Credit
1157. # [09:29] <hsivonen> bz: ATM withdrawal from Credit is more expensive than from Debit
1158. # [09:29] <@bz> hsivonen: Again, separate ATM card
1159. # [09:30] * @bz is really only worried about being able to get a ticket on http://www.ratp.fr/en/ratp/c_22211/roissybus/
1160. # [09:30] <@bz> well, and any expensive dinners that end up costing more than I have cash on me.... ;)
1161. # [09:30] <hsivonen> bz: now that I think about it, it's possible that the tram ticket machine took coins
1162. # [09:31] <hsivonen> but everyone had cards and paper money
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1164. # [09:31] <@bz> hsivonen: heh
1165. # [09:31] <@bz> hsivonen: anyway
1166. # [09:32] <@bz> hsivonen: I'll worry about this when it comes to it, I guess
1167. # [09:32] * @bz wishes there were some more uniformity of payment methods
1168. # [09:32] <@bz> or that the travelex cards were not insane
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1170. # [09:33] <hsivonen> looks like the best uniformity available today is a credit card that supports 3 generations of tech for getting the number from the card and the merchant also supporting 3 generations of tech
1171. # [09:33] <hsivonen> though it seems that more and more often mechants are supporting only 2 generations of tech
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1174. # [09:34] <@bz> hsivonen: getting a chipped card in the US is rocket science
1175. # [09:34] <hsivonen> so why don't U.S. cards have chips yet? patent royalties to French companies?
1176. # [09:34] <@bz> hsivonen: there are something like two banks offering them
1177. # [09:35] <@bz> hsivonen: no idea...
1178. # [09:35] <@bz> hsivonen: third generation being the physical impression method?
1179. # [09:35] <hsivonen> bz: yes (or the first generation, rather)
1180. # [09:35] <@bz> sure
1181. # [09:35] <glazou> hsivonen: I know the story
1182. # [09:35] <@bz> yeah, that one is pretty much uniformly obsolete
1183. # [09:36] <glazou> because the chip on a bank card was invented by a french
1184. # [09:36] <darktrojan> EFTPOS FTW
1185. # [09:36] <glazou> and because US banks in fact make a lot of money on fraudulous card transactions...
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1187. # [09:37] <eflores> darktrojan++
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1190. # [09:37] <glazou> rate of frauds in france is between 1 and 2%
1191. # [09:37] <glazou> *much* higher in the US
1192. # [09:37] <eflores> ?!
1193. # [09:38] <eflores> glazou: 1-2% of ALL card transactions?
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1196. # [09:39] <hsivonen> glazou: the security of the chip is rather snake oily, though, since there are non-chip fallbacks for compatibility
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1199. # [09:40] <hsivonen> glazou: also, I prefer a system that is so obviously insecure that banks have to take the liability for fraud
1200. # [09:40] <hsivonen> glazou: over a system that seems so secure that legislators are ok with putting the fraud liability burden on the consumer
1201. # [09:40] <glazou> it does not
1202. # [09:40] <hsivonen> (who is supposedly negligient if defrauded)
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1204. # [09:41] <glazou> I got two attempts in 20 years
1205. # [09:41] <glazou> all detected by the bank
1206. # [09:41] <glazou> all fully covered
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1209. # [09:41] <glazou> here, the bank must prove you're the source of the fraud
1210. # [09:41] <glazou> if they can't you just have to open a file at the bank to be reimbursed
1211. # [09:42] <hsivonen> glazou: IIRC, in Canada, the banks managed to use a PIN as an excuse to shift the liability burden
1212. # [09:44] <hsivonen> glazou: over here, so banks make customers to breach the contract when making a purchase from Amazon
1213. # [09:45] <hsivonen> glazou: but I don't know if they've ever used that as an excuse to shift liability to the customer
1214. # [09:45] <hsivonen> s/to breach/breach/
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1218. # [09:46] <hsivonen> In my experience, the customer-facing personnel at banks get confused when you tell them you don't want to switch to their bank because you actually read their card terms and saw how crazy the terms were
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1220. # [09:47] <hsivonen> one bank that tried to get me to switch had terms that banned credit card number transfer via the Internet and only allowed fax
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1224. # [09:49] <glazou> ROFL
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1226. # [09:49] <@bz> hsivonen: heh
1227. # [09:49] <@bz> hsivonen: yeah, it seems somewhat common for salespeople to say things like "oh, just ignore that part of the piece of paper you're signing"
1228. # [09:49] <glazou> hsivonen: and what was the name of that bank? :-)
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1231. # [09:50] <@bz> hsivonen: and they aren't even being malicious; it's what they'd do themselves
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1234. # [09:51] <@bz_sleep> oddly enough, investment brokerage customer service people are way more sane
1235. # [09:51] <@bz_sleep> also more competent
1236. # [09:51] <@bz_sleep> and the hold times are shorter
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1238. # [09:52] <@bz_sleep> almost like they spend money on customer service
1239. # [09:53] <@bz_sleep> but then, they explicitly charge you a $10-$15/year fee
1240. # [09:53] <@bz_sleep> which people would dislike in bank accounts
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1253. # [10:02] <hsivonen> glazou: the bank was Tapiola
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1255. # [10:03] <hsivonen> glazou: even with the less crazy banks, it's possible that the card terms prohibit purchases from e.g. Amazon
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1257. # [10:05] <hsivonen> (because Amazon's purchase flow doesn't bounce the browser to the credit card issuer's site)
1258. # [10:05] <hsivonen> fortunately, banks can't affort to actually start denying payments to Amazon, Paypal, Apple, etc.
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1262. # [10:06] <hsivonen> (denying technically that is)
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1282. # [10:35] <Ms2ger> So, is jrmuizel burning the tree this morning?
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1299. # [10:59] <glazou> hmmm why is my mac build failing because of @MOZ_GLUE_LDFLAGS@ ?
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1301. # [11:06] <Callek> glazou: is @MOZ_GLUE_LDFLAGS@ actually expanded or is it trying to use that string as-is?
1302. # [11:06] <Callek> glazou: also, any pastebin of where/how you are erroring?
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1307. # [11:10] <glazou> Callek: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1453314
1308. # [11:11] <Callek> glazou: interesting, |grep "MOZ_GLUE_LDFLAGS" /Users/glazou/bin/opt/univ/i386/config/autoconf.mk| ?
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1310. # [11:13] <Callek> glazou: it looks almost like your configure for the i386 branch of your universal binary compile didn't run, if I had to guess
1311. # [11:13] <Callek> which is interesting in and of itself
1312. # [11:13] <Callek> (since if you didn't configure, how did you build ;-) )
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1318. # [11:22] <glazou> Callek: |MOZ_GLUE_LDFLAGS = @MOZ_GLUE_LDFLAGS@|
1319. # [11:23] <Callek> glazou: can you peek at that file, is there a LOT of @FOO@ lines, or is most stuff expanded
1320. # [11:23] <glazou> looking
1321. # [11:23] <Callek> glazou: also do you have any local (not in m-c) patches to configure.in
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1324. # [11:24] <glazou> Callek: yeah, there are a few
1325. # [11:24] <glazou> Callek: no, not a single patch to configure.in
1326. # [11:24] <glazou> I meant a few @...@ still undefined
1327. # [11:25] <Callek> glazou: my first guess was that you have a stray if ... fi; pair that is surrounding the AC_SUBST(MOZ_GLUE_LDFLAGS) in configure
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1329. # [11:26] <Callek> glazou: are you able/willing to pastebin your whole autoconf.mk?
1330. # [11:26] <glazou> I am going to try a fresh tree, not a problem, I always work on local clones
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1332. # [11:26] * Callek isn't exactly sure what was the cause here, but happy to help try and solve it for you
1333. # [11:27] <glazou> Callek: before wasting your time, let me try from a fresh tree
1334. # [11:27] <Callek> but sure, a fresh-clone/objectdir is a nuclear option that if it works, and is fine for you, should be fine
1335. # [11:27] <Callek> :-)
1336. # [11:27] <Callek> glazou: I should be around for quite a few more hours, so ping me if you need more help here
1337. # [11:27] <glazou> thanks a lot Callek
1338. # [11:28] <Callek> np
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1344. # [11:36] <gabor> mrbkap: Hey, I'd like to book a flight soon to Paris, do you have a sec?
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1347. # [11:42] <glazou> Callek: seems to build ok now
1348. # [11:42] <glazou> a hickup probably ;-)
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1350. # [11:42] <Callek> glazou: good to hear
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1357. # [11:55] <edmorley> mounir: I'll mark the bugs if you like?
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1359. # [11:56] <Ms2ger> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=122abba4c7f2
1360. # [11:56] <Ms2ger> bz even fails better than the rest of us
1361. # [11:56] <darktrojan> boomski
1362. # [11:57] <darktrojan> not good enough, some tests pass
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1367. # [12:01] * darktrojan wonders what sort of response time he'll get from bsmedberg
1368. # [12:01] <jdm> ugh, I don't understand what's caused this sudden surge of test_socks.js failures
1369. # [12:01] <jdm> I can't find anything of relevance in the regression range
1370. # [12:02] <darktrojan> do they need darning?
1371. # [12:03] <jdm> wah wah waaaah
1372. # [12:03] <darktrojan> sorry, had to :/
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1377. # [12:09] <Ms2ger> mounir, you can mark your own bugs
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1381. # [12:12] <edmorley> Ms2ger: don't worry about sending mail for 718311, done
1382. # [12:12] <Ms2ger> Heh, thanks
1383. # [12:12] * Ms2ger closes those tabs
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1394. # [12:21] <hsivonen> I wonder why makefiles use tabs for indent when everything else in the codebase uses spaces
1395. # [12:22] <darktrojan> we all wonder that
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1397. # [12:22] <mounir> edmorley: I can mark the bugs
1398. # [12:22] <mounir> at least mine
1399. # [12:22] <mounir> s
1400. # [12:22] <mounir> if I don't die in the meantime
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1403. # [12:23] <Ms2ger> hsivonen, some parts actually need to be tabs
1404. # [12:24] <Ms2ger> The variable assignments should be two spaces
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1407. # [12:26] <edmorley> mounir: it's ok I don't mind doing :-) (Ms2ger did all the others)
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1409. # [12:26] <mounir> edmorley: thanks for the mid-air collision :)
1410. # [12:27] <edmorley> oh sorry :-)
1411. # [12:27] <mounir> edmorley: no worry, that means I can do something else like trying to feel better
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1414. # [12:28] <edmorley> mounir: sorry you don't feel well :-(
1415. # [12:29] <edmorley> I've marked the rest of your bugs, Ms2ger has done the all the others in the merge
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1417. # [12:29] <mounir> Ms2ger++
1418. # [12:29] <mounir> edmorley++
1419. # [12:30] <mounir> wonder what we would be doing without our volunteers...
1420. # [12:30] <Ms2ger> Marking bugs
1421. # [12:30] <Unfocused> cursing a lot more
1422. # [12:30] <nigelb> Ms2ger++
1423. # [12:30] <edmorley> Ms2ger++
1424. # [12:30] <Ms2ger> If only firebot was here and still had karma, this would be a good day for me
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1426. # [12:31] <edmorley> ha
1427. # [12:31] <nigelb> heh
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1431. # [12:33] * KaiRo wonders if he should be concerned when a try push of some XUL/JS/browser-only-XBL cleanup on Monday ended up with strange a11y test failures on all Linux and Win boxes (https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=6cee962b4235 if you want to know details) - should I re-try or push to inbound?
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1435. # [12:36] <Callek> KaiRo: if you expect its weird, just the retry button for that one test ;-)
1436. # [12:36] <edmorley> Callek: multiple tests
1437. # [12:36] <Callek> of course, actually that is a lot lot of orange
1438. # [12:36] <Callek> KaiRo: maybe best to rebase onto current m-c and re-push to try
1439. # [12:37] <jfkthame> KaiRo: i'd re-try and include debug builds, if it were me
1440. # [12:37] <edmorley> KaiRo: was the tree green for the parent cset? (I'm loading tbpl as far back as monday to see)
1441. # [12:37] <Ms2ger> No, that was good
1442. # [12:37] <KaiRo> Callek: the fun things is that all a11y tests fail the same way there and my patches basically can't cause this failure to my knowledge
1443. # [12:38] <jfkthame> that's why i'd do a tryserver run with debug - maybe you'll get an assertion or something that'll give a clue why they're all failing
1444. # [12:38] <KaiRo> edmorley: good question - I saw that I basically pulled in a backout that I pulled from m-c already but tbpl/try thought was part of my push
1445. # [12:39] <Ms2ger> KaiRo, re-try, please
1446. # [12:39] <Callek> KaiRo: yea, I would re-try on a current m-c tip
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1448. # [12:39] <KaiRo> jfkthame: I can do that, I just thought I only want to see if I break any tests so opt would be enough, no need to strain machines with too many builds
1449. # [12:39] <Callek> KaiRo: try reports whatever is new to it as "part of your push" means that no-one pushed that backout before you pushed ;-)
1450. # [12:40] <edmorley> KaiRo: tbpl for try shows anything that it hasn't seen yet, so just means no-one had pushed that cset yet. parent was https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?rev=b3b8d62e0d92 and was green - so either you've got a really strange random orange (across multiple platforms), or more likely your mq caused it, sorry!
1451. # [12:40] <KaiRo> Callek: ah, nobody pushed that cset to *try* before myself then?
1452. # [12:40] <Callek> KaiRo: but yea, there is a *chance* you mucking with this stuff could expose an a11y bug or some such
1453. # [12:40] <Callek> and yes, no-one pushed that cset to *try* before you
1454. # [12:40] <jfkthame> KaiRo: that's fair enough, but given that you got lots of unexplained failures, i'd ask for debug builds next time in the hope that they'll give you more information
1455. # [12:40] <KaiRo> ok
1456. # [12:41] <Callek> its normal to get extra changes on the try tree when you push based on a relatively new tree
1457. # [12:41] <KaiRo> jfkthame: yes, good diea
1458. # [12:41] <KaiRo> idea
1459. # [12:41] * KaiRo did a pull -u on m-c just before pushing to try, so that sounds reasonable
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1464. # [12:45] <Ms2ger> Hmm, someone is enjoying spamming bmo
1465. # [12:45] <glob|away> Ms2ger, oh?
1466. # [12:45] * glob|away is now known as glob
1467. # [12:45] <Ms2ger> 718974/718975/718977
1468. # [12:45] <Ms2ger> 718967
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1470. # [12:46] <KaiRo> ouch... first a tried DoS on bmo, now spamming
1471. # [12:46] <glob> KaiRo, meh, these sorts of bugs are very common
1472. # [12:47] <ttaubert> KaiRo: google contractors? ;)
1473. # [12:47] <KaiRo> glob: I've seen a couple, yes - I guess someone's testing their new shiny and kool skripting engine
1474. # [12:47] <KaiRo> ttaubert: who knows... :p
1475. # [12:48] <glob> KaiRo, i've seen "bugzilla training" which says to file test bugs on bmo
1476. # [12:48] <nigelb> o_O
1477. # [12:49] <nigelb> I liked the bit from laura's talk the other day
1478. # [12:49] <nigelb> The "You can quit your job in Mozilla by filing a bug" bit ;)
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1480. # [12:50] <KaiRo> glob: ouch. what do we have landfill for then?
1481. # [12:50] <glob> KaiRo, that's exactly what landfill is for. this isn't material we have any control over
1482. # [12:50] <nigelb> :|
1483. # [12:50] <KaiRo> nigelb: oh, sure - we file bugs for everything. which is ok if it's useful bugs
1484. # [12:51] <KaiRo> glob: I know
1485. # [12:52] <KaiRo> nigelb: you even can get jobs at Mozilla by filing, triaging, etc. bugs ;-)
1486. # [12:52] <nigelb> KaiRo: "fixing"? ;)
1487. # [12:52] <Callek> nigelb: no, filing :-P
1488. # [12:52] <Callek> fixing too yes, but filing just as well
1489. # [12:52] <Callek> if they are useful bugs
1490. # [12:52] <nigelb> :)
1491. # [12:52] <KaiRo> nigelb: as Callek says
1492. # [12:53] <nigelb> I was, of course, kidding.
1493. # [12:53] <nigelb> I know how important filing bugs are :)
1494. # [12:53] <KaiRo> Mozilla is interesting this way
1495. # [12:53] <nigelb> heh. Interestingly, I spent today making it easier to file bugs :)
1496. # [12:53] <KaiRo> nigelb++
1497. # [12:54] <jdm> that sounds like a worthy activity
1498. # [12:54] <nigelb> Input's Tell Us More bit
1499. # [12:54] <jdm> agh why is it 6:47am
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1501. # [12:54] * jdm -> bed
1502. # [12:54] <nigelb> lol
1503. # [12:54] <nigelb> I was working on this https://wiki.mozilla.org/Firefox/TellUsMore
1504. # [12:55] <nigelb> Lots more work to do, but omg so exciting :)
1505. # [12:55] * aja files bug about all the 503 errors i am seeing today
1506. # [12:55] * KaiRo has a period of time every work day that is just called "bugmail" ;-)
1507. # [12:55] <glob> aja, haha :)
1508. # [12:55] <KaiRo> aja: hehe
1509. # [12:55] <@smaug> KaiRo: you don't read bugmail all the time ?
1510. # [12:55] <Callek> aja++
1511. # [12:56] <Callek> aja: what I would be amazed about is if whitehouse.gov went 503 today
1512. # [12:56] <nigelb> glob: haha, you just gave me a warning for my test bugs :P
1513. # [12:56] <Callek> after all Obama did say he was against the bill, if only in a wishy-washy "i have an out" way
1514. # [12:56] <nigelb> (i see the reply as well)
1515. # [12:56] <KaiRo> smaug: I'm usually packing it into slots or else I wouldn't get anything else done
1516. # [12:56] <glob> nigelb, copypasta into the wrong window :)
1517. # [12:57] <nigelb> heh
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1526. # [13:02] <Ms2ger> xkcd++
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1528. # [13:03] <Callek> xkcd++
1529. # [13:03] <Callek> yes I can support that kharma
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1532. # [13:04] <NeilAway> hmm, my feed didn't pull a new xkcd today
1533. # [13:05] <Ms2ger> NeilAway, there's a reason for that, see the website :)
1534. # [13:06] <Callek> Ms2ger: ooo I would have thought he woulda had it in feed
1535. # [13:06] <Callek> but either way HAPPY :-)
1536. # [13:06] <nigelb> It isn't a post though.
1537. # [13:06] <nigelb> Best sopa response is theoatmeal.
1538. # [13:07] <Callek> NeilAway: also feel free to look at what happened to our wikipedia article, THOSE VANDLES! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SeaMonkey
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1540. # [13:07] <nigelb> haha
1541. # [13:08] <Callek> http://theoatmeal.com/ ++
1542. # [13:08] <Ms2ger> Callek, I love the flash of actual content :)
1543. # [13:08] <Callek> Ms2ger: was thinking that as well when I loaded it :-)
1544. # [13:09] <Ms2ger> Also, boo, kitten bbq
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1548. # [13:11] <Mitch> Also they didn't block this page: https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Stop_Online_Piracy_Act
1549. # [13:11] <Mitch> They must have been paid off.
1550. # [13:12] <nigelb> lol. I'm guessing they link to that page.
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1552. # [13:13] <Ms2ger> http://i.imgur.com/GMNL3.jpg
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1554. # [13:13] <nigelb> heh, Ms2ger++
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1557. # [13:14] <Callek> Ms2ger: also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_Online_Piracy_Act works fine
1558. # [13:14] <Callek> no need for the https:// link
1559. # [13:14] <Callek> :-)
1560. # [13:14] <Callek> foresight FTW
1561. # [13:15] <Mitch> Waiting for the "List of sites that took the piss out off SOPA".
1562. # [13:15] <glazou_food> just disable JS and wikipedia becomes readable again
1563. # [13:16] <Ms2ger> Yeah
1564. # [13:16] <hsivonen> unfortunately, if SOPA/PIPA passes, one won't be able to work around it be disabling JS
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1567. # [13:16] <nigelb> hsivonen++
1568. # [13:16] <Mitch> SOPA will work around us by disabling the internet. :(
1569. # [13:17] <nigelb> I like the factswithoutwikipedia hastag
1570. # [13:17] <darktrojan> disable ALL the sites
1571. # [13:17] <glazou_food> in the meantime, they won't have my lunch :-) bbl
1572. # [13:17] <nigelb> reminds me of times when looking up stuff wasn't easy.
1573. # [13:17] <Ms2ger> nigelb, you mean, like, books? *gasp*
1574. # [13:18] <darktrojan> what's a book?
1575. # [13:18] <nigelb> Ms2ger: No, I mean even finding validated content on the internet.
1576. # [13:19] * Ms2ger is disappointed in Google
1577. # [13:19] * Mitch imagines Ms2ger has his own stylesheet for blocking Google's logo regardless
1578. # [13:19] <nigelb> Microsoft Encarta Ecyclopedia? Encyclopedia Britanica? :)
1579. # [13:19] <hsivonen> Ms2ger: because they didn't black out search?
1580. # [13:19] <Ms2ger> Oh, it's better from the US, apparently
1581. # [13:20] <nigelb> I want to tunnel through my US server just for the experience.
1582. # [13:21] <Ms2ger> > Don't see it on google.com.au nor on google.com if accessed from Sydney.
1583. # [13:21] <Ms2ger> > oh god! you're already being censored!
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1585. # [13:25] * Mitch confirms that the SOPA link isn't there :<
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1587. # [13:26] <Ms2ger> There is a link on Google.com in English
1588. # [13:26] <nigelb> wtf. This is weird routing.
1589. # [13:26] <nigelb> My US IP didn't help me see the sopa thing. I saw some chineese or japanese doodle.
1590. # [13:27] <Mitch> Google's always showing you Chinese or Japanese doodle, right?
1591. # [13:27] <nigelb> yeah
1592. # [13:27] <nigelb> wow. the proxy service I use is also protesting :)
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1594. # [13:28] <nigelb> "Our web proxy service will be blacked out until Thursday 19th January in protest of two new bills; SOPA (Stop Online Piracy Act) and PIPA (Protect IP Act)."
1595. # [13:29] <Callek> haha http://www.bittorrent.com/ is not blacked
1596. # [13:29] <Mitch> nigelb: Context for above. (NSFW) http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=doodle&defid=1488423
1597. # [13:29] <Callek> neither is http://www.vuze.com/
1598. # [13:29] <nigelb> neither is pirate bay.
1599. # [13:29] <nigelb> or rapid share :|
1600. # [13:30] <nigelb> Mitch: hah
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1603. # [13:30] <Callek> yea ironically the sites that actually have a LOT to do with pirating copyrighted stuff, aren't fighting the SOPA/PIPA bills
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1605. # [13:30] <Callek> iow, they are not worried about them at all
1606. # [13:30] <Callek> need I say more
1607. # [13:30] <KaiRo> "To promote prosperity, creativity, entrepreneurship, and innovation by combating the theft of U.S. property, and for other purposes." lol
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1609. # [13:30] <Mitch> Or worried that it'll make them look "guilty".
1610. # [13:31] <Callek> Mitch: no more guilty than google or wikipedia at least
1611. # [13:31] * KaiRo still wonders how theft nowadays seems to mean taking something that the other party still keeps
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1614. # [13:32] <Mitch> Except Rapidshare is "sometimes" host to "copyrighted" "content", although they don't encourage it.
1615. # [13:32] <KaiRo> (and how stopping information flow is innovative, but that's too obvious)
1616. # [13:32] * Mitch copyrights the word "stealright"
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1619. # [13:32] <Callek> heh even http://phaze.hk/ (which was one of the top results for Warez, so questionable in nature)
1620. # [13:33] * KaiRo should go creative today and do nothing online but still send a bill for his work time to this US-based organization he has a contract with (just kidding)
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1622. # [13:33] <Callek> KaiRo: well #developers has turned into a break-room entirely so far
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1624. # [13:34] <Callek> though it is too early yet for most of the real enforcers to be awake
1625. # [13:34] <@smaug> KaiRo: you have still contract with MoCo? I just got a new contract and it is with MZ Denmark
1626. # [13:34] <KaiRo> Callek: true
1627. # [13:34] <Ms2ger> Denmark, of all places
1628. # [13:34] <KaiRo> smaug: I always had my contract with MZ Denmark but the money comes from MoCo ;-)
1629. # [13:35] <@smaug> oh, I used to have contract with MoCo but the money came from MZ Denmark
1630. # [13:35] <@smaug> perhaps this time the contract is with Mz Denmark and money comes from... Mozilla China ?
1631. # [13:36] * KaiRo found it funny in the first months that he has a contract with MZ Denmark but the bank transactions with the money come from "Mozilla Corporation, Mountain View, CA"
1632. # [13:36] <ttaubert> same here :)
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1634. # [13:36] <Mitch> <snide tax evasion remark>
1635. # [13:37] <KaiRo> actually, "MOZILLA CORPORATION 650 CASTRO ST SUITE 300" is what the bank account says ;-)
1636. # [13:37] <Mitch> Cuban?
1637. # [13:37] <ttaubert> yes, because America loves Cuba
1638. # [13:37] <KaiRo> sure
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1641. # [13:38] * @smaug has always preferred the red star as a Mozilla logo
1642. # [13:38] <ttaubert> heh
1643. # [13:39] <Ms2ger> They love Cuba so much they want to invade it?
1644. # [13:39] <khuey> Callek: "enforcers"?
1645. # [13:40] <khuey> Ms2ger: if we really wanted to invade cuba we would have done it
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1648. # [13:40] <Callek> khuey: lol
1649. # [13:40] <Mitch> Callek: We're protesting SOPA by block legitimate development discussion.
1650. # [13:40] <Mitch> *blocking
1651. # [13:41] <Callek> Mitch: thats a poor way to do SOPA protesting
1652. # [13:41] <Callek> Mitch: unless you're doing it in a courtroom/government meeting
1653. # [13:41] <Callek> Mitch: I encourage you to try :-)
1654. # [13:41] <Callek> let me know how it goes after your contempt/disorderly-conduct hearing goes
1655. # [13:41] <nigelb> Is the usual patch workflow to ask for feedback first, before reivew?
1656. # [13:41] <Mitch> Aww. Now I'll have to do real things like post to dev.platform and hound people for reviews. khuey...
1657. # [13:41] <nigelb> (for newish people)
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1659. # [13:42] <ttaubert> nigelb: not necessarily
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1661. # [13:42] <nigelb> I just end up getting r- most of my first times
1662. # [13:42] * khuey wonders if he should take PTO today
1663. # [13:42] <khuey> to avoid reviewing Ms2ger's patch
1664. # [13:43] <nigelb> hah
1665. # [13:43] <ttaubert> nigelb: I usually do if I'm not sure about the overall approach or if the patch is huge
1666. # [13:43] <Callek> khuey: you know we could ask glob|away to black out bugzilla in the nuclear option of wikipedia if we really want everyone to PTO today
1667. # [13:43] <Callek> :-)
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1669. # [13:44] <nigelb> ttaubert: Ah. Ok. :)
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1671. # [13:44] <ttaubert> I read that as 'back out bugzilla'. made no sense
1672. # [13:45] <nigelb> haha
1673. # [13:45] <Callek> lol
1674. # [13:45] * Mitch too
1675. # [13:45] <khuey> Callek: I think glob|away likes his job
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1681. # [13:48] <KaiRo> Callek: hmm, if both wikipedia and bugzilla would be blacked out, what would there be to do that's interesting, with the two largest information databases lost?
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1683. # [13:48] <Mitch> bsmedberg: I plan on posting to dev.platform when that #pragma once stuff is landable.
1684. # [13:48] <Callek> KaiRo: I could dig for my encarta CD set and see if it installs on Win7
1685. # [13:48] <Callek> though it was a win98 designed app
1686. # [13:49] <Mitch> You'd only play MindMaze within it.
1687. # [13:49] <Callek> Mitch: he was more looking for "path forward" as in, "all headers" "only largely used headers", etc. type plan with regard to it
1688. # [13:49] * Ms2ger kicks khuey
1689. # [13:49] <Mitch> Callek: Oh? I guess I'll need to read the chat log.
1690. # [13:50] <Callek> Mitch: my vague memory on the history of me filing that was, "probably helpful for all, but don't waste time trying to account for all, no need to codify it as a requirement, but we should definitely do it in at least the major ones, and all if we have time/inclination" give or take
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1692. # [13:50] <Callek> Mitch: p.s. you're right, I would only play the maze, thats all I really used it for, except 1 or 2 reports anyway.
1693. # [13:50] <Ms2ger> I love how khuey is too lazy to review a two-line patch
1694. # [13:52] <khuey> I'm pretty lazy
1695. # [13:53] <Callek> Mitch: patch SIZE has nothing to do with review complexity
1696. # [13:53] <Callek> in practice
1697. # [13:53] <Mitch> khuey: And working. :P
1698. # [13:53] <khuey> Callek: they're generally somewhat correlated
1699. # [13:53] <Mitch> Callek: Rage at the wrong person moar.
1700. # [13:54] * Ms2ger rages at Callek
1701. # [13:54] <Callek> khuey: I can name a 1 line change that causes 20 regressions, all hard to spot, if its rs'ed... and a 200k+ line change that is remarkably simple and scriptable
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1703. # [13:54] <khuey> grant gallitz's gameboy color emulator is pretty awesome
1704. # [13:54] <Ms2ger> Not as awesome as reviewing
1705. # [13:54] <Ms2ger> Or my actual game boy color
1706. # [13:54] <Callek> Ms2ger++
1707. # [13:54] <Mitch> Callek: I'd probably go for adding #pragma once to the most included header directories. If I'm already messing around in there...
1708. # [13:55] <Callek> khuey: you can play mega man AFTER your reviews
1709. # [13:55] <Ms2ger> /homework
1710. # [13:55] <khuey> I'm playing pokemon, actually ;-)
1711. # [13:55] <Mitch> cat /homework > /dev/null
1712. # [13:55] <Ms2ger> khuey, alright, go ahead and ply pokémon
1713. # [13:56] <Ms2ger> khuey, which version? :)
1714. # [13:57] * glazou_food is now known as glazou
1715. # [13:58] <khuey> red
1716. # [13:58] <khuey> I reviewed your patch btw
1717. # [13:58] <khuey> at least the first one I saw
1718. # [13:58] <Ms2ger> Yeah
1719. # [13:58] <Mitch> Pokémon Blackout.
1720. # [13:58] <Ms2ger> Crystal, in my case
1721. # [13:58] <Ms2ger> Silver's battery ran out
1722. # [13:58] * khuey didn't play it as a child
1723. # [13:59] <Ms2ger> You're still a child
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1725. # [14:01] <khuey> lol
1726. # [14:01] <khuey> I'm 22
1727. # [14:01] <khuey> pretty sure I'm not a child anymore
1728. # [14:01] <Ms2ger> Indeed
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1730. # [14:02] <gabor> could anyone here help me how to set up rsa key for mozilla-build tools on windows to have hg with ssh work?
1731. # [14:02] <Ms2ger> Windows? No :)
1732. # [14:02] <Ms2ger> Except moving to unix
1733. # [14:02] <gabor> Ms2ger: as soon as there will be a decent debugger on unix you can count on me
1734. # [14:03] <gabor> please dont even mention gdb :)
1735. # [14:03] <Ms2ger> If "decent" is all you need, gdb :)
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1739. # [14:05] <khuey> yeah windows really is light years ahead on debugging
1740. # [14:05] <khuey> gabor: put it in ~/.ssh, just like you would on *nix?
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1743. # [14:06] <KaiRo> heh, the music from "flight of the navigator" doesn't stop playing on my tablet even though I closed the tab
1744. # [14:06] <gabor> khuey: do I have to specify the location of the keys in mercurial somewhere?
1745. # [14:07] <khuey> KaiRo: that's a feature
1746. # [14:07] <khuey> gabor: no
1747. # [14:07] <gabor> right I'll try it then
1748. # [14:07] <Callek> khuey: really good feature :-)
1749. # [14:07] <KaiRo> khuey: heh - displaying the demo itself as only black probably as well ;-)
1750. # [14:08] <Ms2ger> Shouldn't m.o be down by now?
1751. # [14:08] <bjacob> KaiRo: #audio might be interested, maybe file a bug
1752. # [14:10] <KaiRo> bjacob: I'l look into it later, need to finish going through my own bugmail first (and only tried because I had reported a crash on loading the demo some time ago and it's been marked WFM and I have my repaired tablet back)
1753. # [14:11] <KaiRo> bjacob: also, this is on XUL Fennec - while it's still what we'll ship to tablets for 12, it's probably not the main focus for anyone
1754. # [14:12] * KaiRo wonders how well he could install native in addition to XUL to have it for testing, and how those two would step on each other's toes profile-wise
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1756. # [14:14] <bjacob> KaiRo: if it's specific to XUL fennec, then indeed it's not worth fixing; but audio being unrelated to that, i'm afraid it might not be
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1758. # [14:14] * bjacob didn't know we were keeping XUL fennec as late as 12
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1761. # [14:16] <Callek> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/demos/detail/romeo-juliet
1762. # [14:16] <Callek> is bad link
1763. # [14:16] <Callek> linked from "next" of https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/demos/detail/trex-a-flock-devouring-carnivore
1764. # [14:16] <bjacob> pretty ironical that romeo-juliet is a bad link
1765. # [14:16] <bjacob> i think the internet is trying to tell us something about human nature
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1768. # [14:19] <hsivonen> glazou: the S3 bucket hosting the BlueGriffon add-ons has some weird config. Firefox tells me the .zip is an MPEG-4 file.
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1770. # [14:20] <KaiRo> bjacob: yes, I'll try at least on desktop as well, not sure how to test native without disturbing XUL on Android (and yes, we don't have any tablet UI for native yet at all, which means we need to keep shipping the XUL tablet UI for what we have now, which is 12 - and as XUL works fine on tablet, we really ought to focus native on phones until it's really good there)
1771. # [14:22] <gcp> http://eprint.iacr.org/2012/021
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1773. # [14:22] <gcp> used in the Mozilla Firefox's Sync mechanism...in this paper, we show that it is in fact vulnerable to an undetectable online dictionary attack, an offline dictionary attack, and a password compromise impersonation attack. It also has other shortcomings with respect to replay attacks and the Unknown Key-Share (UKS) attack.
1774. # [14:23] <bjacob> gcp: you should take this to the security group, instead of this IRC channel (the right people may not be around now)
1775. # [14:23] <bjacob> gcp: there is also a public security mailing list, i think
1776. # [14:23] <gcp> is this known?
1777. # [14:23] <gcp> I mean, this paper
1778. # [14:23] <bjacob> gcp: they would know, i have no idea
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1780. # [14:25] <KaiRo> Ms2ger: I think 8am or 9am PST is where we start the blackout
1781. # [14:25] <Ms2ger> I thought the announcement said 8am Eastern
1782. # [14:26] <aja> I read 9am et
1783. # [14:26] <bjacob> gcp: http://www.mozilla.org/projects/security/secgrouplist.html
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1785. # [14:26] <Ms2ger> Starting at 8:00 am Eastern tomorrow, Mozilla will join with other sites in a virtual stri...
1786. # [14:26] <gcp> yeah, already emailed there
1787. # [14:26] <Ms2ger> http://blog.mozilla.com/blog/2012/01/17/mozilla-to-join-tomorrows-virtual-protests-of-pipasopa/
1788. # [14:26] <aja> Err..8am
1789. # [14:26] * KaiRo wonders how many outraged people will mail to webmaster@m.o this time, claiming they are swuitching to a different browser because we support piracy, etc.
1790. # [14:26] <gcp> people do that?
1791. # [14:27] <Ms2ger> Always
1792. # [14:27] <Ms2ger> People will switch to Chrome because we increment our version number too quickly
1793. # [14:27] <bjacob> KaiRo: in this case, switching browsers won't help :)
1794. # [14:27] <Yoric> !seen gal
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1796. # [14:28] <Ms2ger> Yoric, no firebot, I'm afraid
1797. # [14:28] <Yoric> Arf :/
1798. # [14:28] <Yoric> Is Andreas present online these days?
1799. # [14:29] <bjacob> Yoric: check the PTO app? ask on #b2g?
1800. # [14:29] <Mitch> I protested SOPA and all I got was this Loyus T-shirt.
1801. # [14:29] <Ms2ger> Probably later, isn't he MVT?
1802. # [14:29] <mrbkap> Yoric: Yes, but he's been traveling a ton recently.
1803. # [14:29] <Yoric> ok
1804. # [14:29] <mrbkap> Yoric: He'll actually be in Paris a couple of days next week.
1805. # [14:29] <mak> Ms2ger: actually my friends switch to chrome because flash hangs, they don't care about the version number :)
1806. # [14:29] <Yoric> I have sent him an e-mail a few days ago and I was pressing for an answer.
1807. # [14:30] <Yoric> mrbkap: that will simplify stuff.
1808. # [14:30] <Yoric> Thanks.
1809. # [14:30] <Ms2ger> Then you can deprive him from food until he answers :)
1810. # [14:30] <mrbkap> Yoric: don't thank me yet... he might be hard to get a hold of either way.
1811. # [14:30] <mrbkap> Ms2ger: That's hard in Paris :)
1812. # [14:30] <Ms2ger> I hear it works with peterv
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1816. # [14:31] <ttaubert> "The link at the bottom of the page at mozilla.com that says: trying to download Firefox - do that here - Does NOT work..."
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1818. # [14:31] <ttaubert> who can fix this?
1819. # [14:32] <Ms2ger> Yeah, doesn't work here either
1820. # [14:33] <Ms2ger> #webdev?
1821. # [14:33] <hsivonen> no SOPA/PIPA blackout on www.microsoft.com or www.apple.com
1822. # [14:33] <hsivonen> at least not from a Finnish network perspective
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1824. # [14:34] <Ms2ger> /. not either
1825. # [14:34] <ttaubert> they're BSI members, right?
1826. # [14:34] <ttaubert> er, BSA
1827. # [14:34] <Yoric> No Google blackout from France either.
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1829. # [14:36] <@smaug> google.com has just tiny "Tell Congress: Please don't censor the web!"
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1831. # [14:36] <Ms2ger> smaug, it's got a black rectangle over the logo from the US
1832. # [14:36] <KaiRo> bjacob: well, it might help because people don't hear the message as much in-your-face from other browser vendors - it's not like people have any real clue
1833. # [14:37] <@smaug> Ms2ger: ah
1834. # [14:37] <bjacob> KaiRo: i thought you were referring to the wikipedia blackout
1835. # [14:37] <Ms2ger> smaug, I'd show you a picture, but the link is on reddit, and they're blacked out
1836. # [14:38] <KaiRo> bjacob: no, I'm referring to our blackout - people already have been sending us a message or two in the last days that they read we are taking action against SOPA and that means they'll switch browsers as it's a scandal that we support online piracy
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1838. # [14:38] <bjacob> that's .. intersting
1839. # [14:39] <bjacob> e
1840. # [14:39] <bjacob> i must have missed something, but last i checked, piracy meant hijacking ships on the sea
1841. # [14:39] <Callek> bjacob: well media moguls/companies are fighting STRONGLY
1842. # [14:40] <Callek> news stations I've been watching have had the anchors doing "commentary" basically trying to discredit wikipedia, "you know its not entirely accurate" type of commentary
1843. # [14:40] <KaiRo> bjacob: and we did get messages about the home page snippets like "I'll switch because you drop politics in my eye and I don't want politics on the home page" or even (with the fundraising stuff) "I moved to chrome because you're advertising Barabara Streisand on the home page and I don't want stuff like that in my eyes there"
1844. # [14:40] <Callek> its a matter of the corps in control trying to control the public response
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1846. # [14:41] <KaiRo> bjacob: hey, SOPA means "Stop Online Piracy Act", right? so anyone against that support online piracy, it's so easy.
1847. # [14:41] <Callek> BUT the mere fact that this was done nuclear-option is causing discussion/commentary about it
1848. # [14:41] <Ms2ger> bjacob, and that's exactly what wikipedia stands for, obviously :)
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1850. # [14:41] <KaiRo> the full title of the law is even more ridiculous though
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1853. # [14:42] <mak> may we convert the "You can't dereference a NULL nsCOMPtr with operator" to an aborting assertion and get decent stacks out of it?
1854. # [14:42] <ttaubert> these people can just stop using Firefox, Wikipedia, Google, Reddit, ...
1855. # [14:42] <Ms2ger> rs=me
1856. # [14:42] <mak> I was expecting more opposition :D
1857. # [14:42] <mak> will file a bug, if one doesn't exist
1858. # [14:43] <Ms2ger> OH: "In opposition to SOPA we've decided to shut down the entire Chinese Internet. Actually, has nothing to do with SOPA, but what the hell."
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1860. # [14:43] <bjacob> mak: we should totally do that
1861. # [14:44] <bjacob> mak: anyway, this assertion is almost always followed by a crash
1862. # [14:44] <Ms2ger> Which may or may not give you a stack
1863. # [14:44] <mak> bjacob: almost, I have a failure where it causes a segfault and no stack
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1866. # [14:45] <@smaug> mak: at least on linux you get the "attach to gdb" and you get the stack
1867. # [14:45] <KaiRo> mak: if it means making crashes that already happen be more diagnosable, I'm all for it - would be nice to have a mention of it on crash bugs that might be shifted there though
1868. # [14:45] <KaiRo> if we know which those could be
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1870. # [14:45] <mak> smaug: yes, unless it happens on tinderbox and I can't reproduce locally :)
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1872. # [14:46] <@smaug> ah, true
1873. # [14:46] * aja half expects to see mpaa site dns rerouted to pirate bay
1874. # [14:46] <@smaug> shouldn't tinderbox always give stacks when there is a crash
1875. # [14:46] <KaiRo> signatures shifting somewhere else tend to leave orphaned bugs around
1876. # [14:46] <Ms2ger> KaiRo, we should be ignoring the top frames of assertions already, no?
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1878. # [14:48] <KaiRo> Ms2ger: well, if it's just assertions, I think those are only fatal in debug, and therefore not apparent in crash reports (debug build have the "default" channel and might not have symbols on our server, so get ignored in most reports)
1879. # [14:48] <KaiRo> Ms2ger: if it's anything fatal in opt, then I care ;-)
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1881. # [14:48] <Ms2ger> Wouldn't be anything in opt, I don't think :)
1882. # [14:49] <espindola> dolske, ping on 714960
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1884. # [14:49] <Ms2ger> Especially because having a null-check on all smart pointer dereferences would probably be a perf hit we'd not be willing to take
1885. # [14:49] <KaiRo> ok
1886. # [14:50] <gcp> status-firefoxZ flags <- who updates those? if a driver suggested a patch wont be taken, can I put the versions on "wontfix"?
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1891. # [14:56] <Ms2ger> smaug, http://torrentfreak.com/images/google-strike.jpg
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1893. # [14:56] <glob> Callek, no.
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1895. # [14:56] <Callek> lolol
1896. # [14:57] <Callek> glob: was just a suggestion phrased as a "if we want to..." I agree its not really helpful, since most of us who need to access bmo are already against SOPA/PIPA
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1899. # [15:00] <glob> i wonder if i can do it without a code push...
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1901. # [15:02] <Ms2ger> Hah, http://whitehouse.gov1.info/
1902. # [15:05] <gcp> http://xbmc.org/blackout <- this one is nice too
1903. # [15:05] <glob> that is nice
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1923. # [15:24] <KaiRo> OK, looks like I won't be spreading the word about anything on Diaspora* today
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1925. # [15:24] <Ms2ger> "The page http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=diaspora&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CDQQFjAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fjoindiaspora.com%2F&ei=odQWT4P9CI704QSLkeX2Aw&usg=AFQjCNGqnnoThQoDk6SepcrsaA9BHAR9tA is on strike today to fight the Stop Online Piracy Act."
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1928. # [15:25] <KaiRo> Ms2ger: something like that - only that it's https://joindiaspora.com/stream for me
1929. # [15:26] * KaiRo doesn't need a google redirect to get there ;-)
1930. # [15:28] <hsivonen> why does peptest or U show up on try but not inbound?
1931. # [15:28] <hsivonen> is it expected to be permaorange on try?
1932. # [15:28] <Ms2ger> It's new
1933. # [15:28] <Ms2ger> You can ignore it for now
1934. # [15:28] <hsivonen> Ms2ger: ok.
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1952. # [15:42] <lurking> whoa! check out about:home
1953. # [15:42] <glob> lurking, looks the same to me
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1955. # [15:43] <glob> ah, on aurora it doesn't :)
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1968. # [15:52] <KaiRo> hmm, what has been done with about:home looks nice :)
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1970. # [15:53] <jorendorff> yeah
1971. # [15:54] <aja> pastebin a pic? not seeing on mobile
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1976. # [15:56] <glob> aja, http://i.imgur.com/ISznP.png
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1980. # [15:58] <KaiRo> aja: note that it softly transforms from the usual state to this when loading
1981. # [15:58] <KaiRo> cool effect
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1984. # [15:58] <jfkthame> KaiRo: interesting, your a11y failures don't seem to happen on debug builds, only opt - i wonder if there's a timing-related issue (race?) that doesn't show up on slower runs
1985. # [15:59] <aja> nice
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1987. # [16:00] <KaiRo> jfkthame: interesting
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1990. # [16:01] <KaiRo> Ah, and Gary's post on SOPS/PIPA is really good. Finally someone who talks about both working against piracy and why those are the wrong means. We need to put thing this way in more places.
1991. # [16:02] <KaiRo> jfkthame: makes it sound to me though like my patches are, as expected, not the fault in the end - but now I wonder if others are seeing this on try as well
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1996. # [16:04] <KaiRo> jfkthame: hmm, doesn't look like other try pushes are seeing the same :-/
1997. # [16:04] <jfkthame> KaiRo: it doesn't look like it's happening to other people - so i fear that your patches are triggering the problem, even if it's really a latent bug or bad assumption or something in existing code
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1999. # [16:05] <jfkthame> have you tried running mochitest locally to see if you can reproduce?
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2002. # [16:06] <KaiRo> jfkthame: I haven't, esp. as all that patching is free-time stuff only so I barely have any time to work with it
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2005. # [16:07] <KaiRo> (and this is also the first time in a long time that I'm trying to get anything pushed at all)
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2009. # [16:10] <jfkthame> the primary problem you're hitting seems to be "gA11yEventListeners is undefined at chrome://mochitests/content/a11y/accessible/events.js:1438" .....
2010. # [16:11] * jfkthame is guessing that your patches are somehow influencing a11y initialization order, or something like that
2011. # [16:11] <mak> is is expected that on linking I get a hundreds warning on graphite?
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2013. # [16:11] <jfkthame> mak: on windows? yes, known issue
2014. # [16:11] <mak> jfkthame: yes win
2015. # [16:11] <mak> ok
2016. # [16:12] <jfkthame> we'll do something to fix it - hoping to get upstream to make a change
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2023. # [16:15] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/79e5d0b77d10 - Mark Finkle - Backout 60eb0da71cdb as suspected crash cause (bug 718765)
2024. # [16:16] <baduseragentsniffing> hey guys, still too many websites say Firefox 10.0 is an "outdated" browser and Firefox 10.0 is releasing in 2 weeks time, https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=690287
2025. # [16:16] <stransky> glandium, you may know, have you filed a bug for missing jstl.h? It fails to build on ppc and maybe other arches
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2028. # [16:16] <glandium> stransky: there's one already, let me find it
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2031. # [16:17] <stransky> glandium, I have it, thanks
2032. # [16:17] <stransky> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=691898
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2034. # [16:17] <glandium> stransky: 691898]
2035. # [16:18] <KaiRo> jfkthame_afk: I have no idea why my patches would influence that order at all, that's my problem - they're not doing anything big to anything exposed in the UI
2036. # [16:18] <Mitch> I'm surprised the Sony website isn't recommending IE6.
2037. # [16:18] <stransky> glandium, are you going for review for the patch?
2038. # [16:19] <glandium> stransky: it doesn't apply on trunk
2039. # [16:19] <glandium> nor on 11
2040. # [16:19] <stransky> glandium, Well I need it for 10 for now :)
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2043. # [16:19] <glandium> stransky: then apply it ;)
2044. # [16:20] <stransky> hehe, thx :)
2045. # [16:22] <Ms2ger> gaston was also looking for that bug
2046. # [16:22] <lurking> Mitch: sony is just being stupid with 10.0 works fine on 12.0a1
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2048. # [16:24] <baduseragentsniffing> err I'm running the latest 12.0 nightly build and I still see the message saying my browser is "outdated" on Sony Store
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2050. # [16:24] <baduseragentsniffing> dump Sony website developers
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2053. # [16:26] <lurking> baduseragentsniffing: yeah, if I click 'shop now' I get the page telling me its outdated, but the rest of page displays - strange
2054. # [16:27] <Ms2ger> If you're a Sony customer, you're better placed than us to contact them
2055. # [16:28] <baduseragentsniffing> oh, I'm not a Sony customer, I'm just going through all the sites reported in the bug
2056. # [16:28] <lurking> I'm not a Sony customer either
2057. # [16:28] <khuey> sony has customers?
2058. # [16:28] * Ms2ger kicks khuey
2059. # [16:28] <baduseragentsniffing> probably no, but who knows
2060. # [16:28] * khuey goes back under his bridge
2061. # [16:28] <baduseragentsniffing> :D
2062. # [16:29] <Ms2ger> Fortunately German bridges are very well built
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2070. # [16:32] <_KAMI_> Hi!
2071. # [16:32] <Ms2ger> mak, why can't you use MOZ_ASSERT?
2072. # [16:32] <@mkaply> They are probably just using string compares for the version.
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2074. # [16:32] <mak> Ms2ger: the glue doesn't link to mozjs
2075. # [16:32] <_KAMI_> ping KaiRo
2076. # [16:33] <mak> Ms2ger: and moz_assert is just an alias for JS_ASSERT
2077. # [16:33] <Ms2ger> I know
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2079. # [16:33] <mak> Ms2ger: btw, abort_if_false in this case would bring the same adv, so I may probably just go for it
2080. # [16:33] <Ms2ger> Good
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2082. # [16:34] <_KAMI_> Few users complained about Flash related instability related to Firefox 9
2083. # [16:34] <baduseragentsniffing> Flash is dead, no one cares about Flash anymore since even Adobe gave up and said HTML5 is the way to go
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2093. # [16:40] * KaiRo separates his patches for the two bugs and does separate try pushes for each set
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2097. # [16:45] <chewey> Hm... Connecting to IPv6 over an IPv4 SOCKS5 proxy connection works - shouldn't the opposite work as well?
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2100. # [16:45] <Ms2ger> So, what was the bug for the test_socks.js failure that needed darning?
2101. # [16:45] <chewey> (the proxy itself has both v4 and v6 connectivity)
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2103. # [16:46] <@smaug> KaiRo: do you happen to know the problem _KAMI_ is talking about?
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2107. # [16:48] <sylar> what is the way today for installing extension for multiple users on linux, without that the user will need to do anything ?
2108. # [16:48] <sylar> in firefox
2109. # [16:49] <jfkthame> KaiRo: sorry, i really don't have any idea what's wrong, but the failures do seem awfully persistent, so there must be _some_ connection to your patches
2110. # [16:49] * ctalbert|afk is now known as ctalbert
2111. # [16:49] <mreid> I just updated from moz-central and got this:
2112. # [16:49] <mreid> note: possible conflict - memory/mozutils/Makefile.in was renamed multiple times to:
2113. # [16:49] <mreid> anything to be concerned about?
2114. # [16:49] <Ms2ger> That's fine
2115. # [16:49] <jfkthame> no, that's normal
2116. # [16:49] <mreid> k, thanks
2117. # [16:50] <TheOne> NeilAway: sorry to bother you again with this tree row height changing thing. I just noticed that the scrollbar is not updated. Any chance to tell "something" to update the scrollbar?
2118. # [16:51] <sylar> i tried everything on the web and nonthing worked
2119. # [16:51] <Mitch> bsmedberg: There are thousands of headers, so changing the popular ones (and maybe their containing dirs) is my idea.
2120. # [16:53] * armenzg_mtg is now known as armenzg_brb
2121. # [16:53] <florian> In JS, if I have a string and a byte offset indicating the position of a word in that string, is there an easy way to get the character index usable with String methods from the byte offset?
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2124. # [16:54] <florian> obviously when the string contains only plain ASCII characters the character index is the same value as the byte offset, but with non-ascii characters in the string they don't match.
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2126. # [16:54] <Callek> to stay off-topic here, |"It is an irresponsible response and a disservice to people who rely on them for information [and] use their services," Dodd said in a statement. "It's a dangerous and troubling development when the platforms that serve as gateways to information intentionally skew the facts to incite their users in order to further their corporate interests."|
2127. # [16:54] <Ms2ger> Nope
2128. # [16:55] <Ms2ger> Callek, that guy is an irony MASTER!
2129. # [16:55] <Callek> quote an interesting quote after hearing MULTIPLE news stations today cite the SOPA blackout and wikipedia and then immediately attempt at discrediting wikipedia on a form of "often has questionable information" type of comments
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2131. # [16:55] <Callek> my cite for that quote, btw http://www.infoworld.com/d/networking/sopa-hearing-resume-even-in-the-face-opposition-184352
2132. # [16:56] <Mitch> Yeah. Think about poor widdle big content. :(
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2134. # [16:56] <chewey> German news report it as "protesting legislation that is designed to prevent pirating"
2135. # [16:56] <Mitch> Designed to prevent information.
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2140. # [16:58] <bsmedberg> does anyone know why some of the listings in my review queue are red and some aren't?
2141. # [16:59] <Ms2ger> bsmedberg, cri/nor?
2142. # [16:59] <bsmedberg> blech, we're making UI decisions on mostly-useless metadata?
2143. # [16:59] <Ms2ger> Maybe people want you to review crashers first
2144. # [16:59] <espindola> I am getting "MINIDUMP_STACKWALK not set"
2145. # [17:00] <espindola> on try runs
2146. # [17:00] <espindola> know problem with try?
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2148. # [17:00] <Ms2ger> That sounds unfortunate
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2151. # [17:02] <josh> Happy to see that we now get a respectable score in IE Fish Tank on Mac with tonight's nightly!
2152. # [17:02] <khuey> bsmedberg: yes, yes we are
2153. # [17:03] <bhearsum> robcee: is the little help menu that pops up when i open the web console new? either way, it's nice
2154. # [17:03] <Ms2ger> Btw, ddahl, https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/domcrypt/
2155. # [17:03] <@smaug> first below 10ms CC in this 100+ tabs setup
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2157. # [17:03] <robcee> bhearsum: yeah, that's part of the new command line feature
2158. # [17:04] <robcee> we're likely going to be turning that off, just wanted to try it out in nightlies for a bit
2159. # [17:04] <bhearsum> ahhhh
2160. # [17:04] <robcee> if it gets annoying, set devtools.gcli.enable to false in about:config
2161. # [17:04] <bhearsum> sure
2162. # [17:04] <bhearsum> it's fine so far, maybe a tad buggy
2163. # [17:04] <bhearsum> should i file the bug where hitting "up" scrolls up as well as shows my last run statement?
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2166. # [17:06] <robcee> yes please!
2167. # [17:06] <bhearsum> k
2168. # [17:06] <robcee> I don't remember seeing that yet
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2175. # [17:10] <bhearsum> robcee: i can reproduce 100%, i threw the STR in https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=719044
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2178. # [17:11] <espindola> rail, any idea why MINIDUMP_STACKWALK is not being set on try?
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2181. # [17:12] <rail> espindola: probably because we don't upload symbols, let me check
2182. # [17:13] <espindola> it is on the build directory....
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2184. # [17:13] <espindola> (the zip with the symbols)
2185. # [17:13] <rail> ah
2186. # [17:13] <espindola> rail, https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=8635866&tree=Try&full=1
2187. # [17:13] <espindola> for an example
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2195. # [17:16] <KaiRo> _KAMI_: sorry, didn't see your question before, what kind of instability are they talking about?
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2197. # [17:17] <rail> espindola: I'm on it
2198. # [17:17] <espindola> thanks!
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2215. # [17:28] <ted> anyone around who knows how NS_StackWalk works on Linux?
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2221. # [17:30] <mounir> where could I find the new MPL 2 boilerplate in use?
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2223. # [17:31] <mak> mounir: http://www.mozilla.org/MPL/headers/
2224. # [17:31] <ted> espindola: ping
2225. # [17:31] <mounir> mak: thanks
2226. # [17:31] <mounir> 3 lines... *SO* lovely :)
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2228. # [17:32] <espindola> ted, pong
2229. # [17:32] <espindola> ted, one sec
2230. # [17:33] <espindola> ted, pong 2
2231. # [17:33] <ted> espindola: just curious, do you remember if we have frame pointers in our optimized debug builds now?
2232. # [17:33] <espindola> ted, we have them
2233. # [17:34] <espindola> we should have
2234. # [17:34] <ted> okay
2235. # [17:34] <espindola> maybe one file or anther has a bug
2236. # [17:34] <ted> not sure
2237. # [17:34] <espindola> both debug and profiling forces frame pointers
2238. # [17:34] <ted> just trying to figure out why we don't get good assertion stacks from our C++ unit tests: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=673017#c829
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2241. # [17:35] <espindola> ted, -O3 -fno-omit-frame-pointer
2242. # [17:35] <espindola> from https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=8636171&tree=Try&full=1
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2245. # [17:37] <gavin> hsivonen: for bug 713810, isn't there a better test for "isHTML" than the createElement("div") thing?
2246. # [17:38] <gavin> can't you e.g. check the namespaceURI or somthing?
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2250. # [17:38] <hsivonen> gavin: you can't check the namespace URI
2251. # [17:39] <hsivonen> gavin: it's been unified since Firefox 3.6
2252. # [17:39] <gavin> so there's really no better exposed way? hrm
2253. # [17:39] <hsivonen> gavin: the tagName test is what we recommend on MDN
2254. # [17:39] <hsivonen> gavin: it's the most obvious test
2255. # [17:40] <hsivonen> gavin: can't think of a "better" one off the top of my head
2256. # [17:40] <gavin> ok
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2259. # [17:41] <_KAMI_> KaiRo: I sent a letter to you
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2272. # [17:48] <KaiRo> _KAMI_: ok... I'm a bit drowned in stuff and things are going slower than usual today
2273. # [17:48] <mak> our win64 builds use msvc2010, right?
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2276. # [17:49] <AryehGregor> What component is correct for a bug in 3D transform rendering? Specifically, scaleZ(0) makes everything vanish, which is probably not correct.
2277. # [17:49] <AryehGregor> Both the rendering and getBoundingClientRect() look to be incorrect.
2278. # [17:50] <Ms2ger> Core::Layout something
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2289. # [17:54] <khuey> AryehGregor: CC :mattwoodrow
2290. # [17:54] <AryehGregor> khuey, okay.
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2292. # [17:54] <khuey> mmm fresh croissants
2293. # [17:54] <AryehGregor> Ms2ger, any ideas on the "something"?
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2295. # [17:54] <BenWa> WHERE!?
2296. # [17:54] * khuey is going to miss those when he gets back to the US
2297. # [17:54] <khuey> BenWa: Europe
2298. # [17:54] <BenWa> :(
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2300. # [17:55] <Ms2ger> AryehGregor, just Layout, I think
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2302. # [17:55] <NeilAway> TheOne: try calling ensureRowIsVisible(firstVisibleRow)
2303. # [17:55] <@smaug> khuey: and good wine and beer and good cheese...you'll miss Europe
2304. # [17:56] <khuey> smaug: haven't tried much of the wine yet
2305. # [17:56] <AryehGregor> Ms2ger, okay.
2306. # [17:56] <khuey> been waiting until I get to france
2307. # [17:56] <khuey> the beer and the cheese are quite good though
2308. # [17:56] <Ms2ger> khuey, I hear Germany has nice wine too
2309. # [17:57] <Ms2ger> I'd tell you more, but Wikipedia is down
2310. # [17:57] <khuey> I think if I lived in Europe I'd be a good deal fatter than I already am :-P
2311. # [17:57] <Ms2ger> Wait, you're not a fat American?
2312. # [17:57] <jfkthame> wasn't it the americans who invented "super-size me"?
2313. # [17:58] <khuey> Ms2ger: oh I am
2314. # [17:58] <khuey> but I'd be worse if I lived here
2315. # [17:58] <ted> khuey: where are you now?
2316. # [17:58] <khuey> ted: at the moment, dusseldorf germany
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2318. # [17:58] <ted> ah
2319. # [17:58] <Ms2ger> khuey, not really, you'd eat healthier food :)
2320. # [17:59] <khuey> Ms2ger: yeah but I'd eat so much more of it that it'd cancel out the healthy part
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2322. # [18:01] <jfkthame> i suppose that's the wurst problem
2323. # [18:01] <jhammel> wokka wokka
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2325. # [18:01] <Ms2ger> jfkthame, I see what you did there
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2327. # [18:02] <khuey> ha
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2332. # [18:04] <khuey> who wants to review generic cleanup to unowned code?
2333. # [18:04] <ted> glandium: ping
2334. # [18:04] * khuey sees bholley just logged on
2335. # [18:05] <bholley> khuey: hi
2336. # [18:05] <Ms2ger> khuey, sounds like bz :)
2337. # [18:05] <khuey> Ms2ger: sounds like bholley ;-)
2338. # [18:05] <bholley> khuey: sounds like Ms2ger
2339. # [18:05] <bholley> khuey: I'm already up to my neck in reviews :-(
2340. # [18:05] <Ms2ger> Alright
2341. # [18:05] <Ms2ger> r-
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2344. # [18:06] <khuey> Ms2ger: you'll like it when you see it
2345. # [18:08] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/19af1aac33ac - Wes Johnston - Bug 713922 - Don't allow empty password for master password. r=mfinkle
2346. # [18:08] <mfinkle> catlee, can I get a respin on mobile nightlies?
2347. # [18:08] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/e29329299573 - Wes Johnston - Bug 716161 - Don't allow clicking disabled selects. r=mfinkle
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2351. # [18:09] <glandium> ted: pong
2352. # [18:09] <ted> glandium: hey, i'm trying to figure out why we don't get useful stack traces from assertions in C++ unit tests on debug builds
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2354. # [18:09] <ted> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=673017#c829
2355. # [18:09] <ted> for example
2356. # [18:10] <ted> is it because our symbols are hidden, and we're trying to use dladdr to find the symbol names?
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2358. # [18:10] <NeilAway> hsivonen: which parser do we use for view-source of xml?
2359. # [18:10] <Ms2ger> HTML?
2360. # [18:10] * Ms2ger seems to remember such a thing
2361. # [18:10] <khuey> Ms2ger: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=589536&action=edit :-)
2362. # [18:11] <Ms2ger> Ugh, I don't want to own nsFind
2363. # [18:11] <glandium> ted: don't we run c++ unit tests from dist/bin ?
2364. # [18:11] <ted> glandium: yes, AFAIK
2365. # [18:11] <ted> they're unstripped
2366. # [18:11] <khuey> who said anything about owning it
2367. # [18:11] <khuey> if anything, I'm the one taking that risk :-/
2368. # [18:11] <ted> glandium: but where does dladdr get its info?
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2370. # [18:11] <ted> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/xpcom/base/nsStackWalk.cpp#1507
2371. # [18:12] <khuey> firebot: uuid
2372. # [18:12] <firebot> fe23c99e-693d-4ce0-a603-6ee84267fa3a (/msg firebot cid for CID form)
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2374. # [18:12] <glandium> ted: i doubt it gets it from debug info. but isn't fix-linux-stack.pl supposed to fix these?
2375. # [18:12] <KaiRo> post of the day: "sir please send me tools link for make easy and fast web browser" (mozilla.tools)
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2377. # [18:13] <ted> glandium: good point
2378. # [18:13] <ted> but seems silly to not have it work at all
2379. # [18:13] <ted> i guess we can just run all our C++ unit tests through fix-*stack?
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2382. # [18:14] <jdm> mayhemer: any idea when you'll be able to review that mochitest for anonymous request proxy authentication?
2383. # [18:15] <mayhemer> jdm: very soon, I think I can do it tomorrow
2384. # [18:15] <jdm> mayhemer: ok, no problem
2385. # [18:15] <bholley> khuey: so, what do you think this is about: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=8557108&tree=Mozilla-Inbound
2386. # [18:15] <sid0> http://eprint.iacr.org/2012/021
2387. # [18:15] <sid0> interesting: j-pake vulnerable to a bunch of attacks
2388. # [18:15] * ted will file a bug
2389. # [18:16] <bholley> khuey: my DOM bindings patch bounced because of this happening on windows PGO profiling runs
2390. # [18:16] <glandium> ted: i think that would solve the problem
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2392. # [18:17] <khuey> bholley: access violation during the profiling run is my guess
2393. # [18:17] <glandium> ted: now if you could take care of my nspr bug ;)
2394. # [18:17] <ted> i know, i know
2395. # [18:17] <bholley> khuey: on the part of MSVC?
2396. # [18:17] <khuey> bholley: on the part of the browser, presumably
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2398. # [18:18] <bholley> khuey: oh, that's different than I understood
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2400. # [18:18] <sid0> I assume there's a bug on http://eprint.iacr.org/2012/021 ?
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2404. # [18:19] <bholley> khuey: is there any simple way to do a profiling run on a non-windows machine?
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2407. # [18:19] <gcp> sid0: no idea, reported it to security@ earlier today
2408. # [18:19] <khuey> bholley: the profiling stuff is the same on linux, I think
2409. # [18:19] <khuey> bholley: glandium could confirm
2410. # [18:19] <sid0> gcp: cool. no reason to make the bug confidential though I guess
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2430. # [18:26] <glandium> khuey, bholley: iirc the profileserver is the same for linux and windows, but your error is weird
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2435. # [18:28] <bholley> glandium: ugh, yeah. Looks like it only appeared on windows...
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2439. # [18:30] <glandium> bholley: and it could be a bug in the profileserver triggered by a failure to run firefox properly
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2441. # [18:31] <bholley> glandium: this should be something I can reproduce locally on a windows VM though, right?
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2443. # [18:32] <glandium> bholley: if you build with pgo
2444. # [18:32] <bholley> glandium: right
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2462. # [18:38] <Callek> fabrice: ping
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2464. # [18:38] <fabrice> Callek: pong
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2466. # [18:38] <Callek> fabrice: Bug 717975 --- dom_apps.xpt gets built currently even in Firefox builds
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2468. # [18:39] <Callek> fabrice: the point was that if its built and not in package-manifest.in theres a problem with one of the two things
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2471. # [18:39] <fabrice> Callek: ok, I will ifdef more aggressively
2472. # [18:39] <Callek> in this case, if you need to remove it from firefox's package-manifest.in you should turn it off from being built in Firefox (or other apps really, as in, only build it where necessary)
2473. # [18:40] <Callek> fabrice: so, if I am correct, and from my limited understanding on that, you'd ifdef in dom/Makefile.in around the DIRS+= line for dom/interfaces/apps
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2475. # [18:40] <fabrice> Callek: yep
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2484. # [18:42] <Callek> fabrice: fyi as well, I'm not a reviewer here (for the m-c side)
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2486. # [18:42] <bsmedberg> If I have an ArrayBuffer in a JS module, is there a non-sucky way to make it into a JS string assuming that it's UTF8?
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2488. # [18:43] <fabrice> Callek: thanks anyway
2489. # [18:43] <Callek> fabrice: I don't mind peeking, but I can't r+ for a real checkin of it
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2492. # [18:44] <Ms2ger> khuey, though I wonder why you're touching that code
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2494. # [18:44] <philor> a desire to own it, why else would you?
2495. # [18:45] <ted> bsmedberg: nsIScriptableUnicodeConverter?
2496. # [18:46] <ted> not sure how you'd get it into a form that that can take
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2500. # [18:46] <Ms2ger> XPConnect can take typed arrays for array arguments now
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2502. # [18:47] <Ms2ger> So an 8-byte array buffer can go into convertFromByteArray
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2505. # [18:47] <khuey> Ms2ger: fixing a leak in it
2506. # [18:47] * jmaher|lunch is now known as jmaher
2507. # [18:47] <ted> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/intl/uconv/idl/nsIScriptableUConv.idl#76
2508. # [18:47] <ted> ah, nice
2509. # [18:47] <rail> espindola: found the issue, waiting for review and reconfig, fyi
2510. # [18:48] <Ms2ger> Wait, did you fix a leak in that patch?
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2512. # [18:48] <espindola> rail, awesome
2513. # [18:48] <espindola> thanks
2514. # [18:48] <rail> np
2515. # [18:48] <espindola> rail, what was it?
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2517. # [18:48] <Callek> khuey: fixing a leak in a collendar is a bit of a pointless endeavor no? you want a bowl instead
2518. # [18:48] <rail> espindola: I landed a huge patch which broke it :/
2519. # [18:48] <espindola> heh
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2522. # [18:49] <imphil> !seen sicking
2523. # [18:49] <firebot> sicking was last seen 8 days, 16 hours, 16 minutes and 25 seconds ago, saying 'except that AT&Ts new thing is not webby :)' in #b2g.
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2526. # [18:50] <imphil> hm, is he on vacation or hiding somewhere?
2527. # [18:50] <Ms2ger> Hiding
2528. # [18:50] * khuey|away is now known as khuey
2529. # [18:50] <Ms2ger> As usual
2530. # [18:50] <khuey> imphil: he's kind of sort of on vacation
2531. # [18:50] <bent> imphil, we can probably steer your question to the right place
2532. # [18:50] <khuey> it's a long story
2533. # [18:50] <espindola> rail, can you ping me when it is done? Will I have to do a new push?
2534. # [18:50] <espindola> or just running that test again should work?
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2536. # [18:51] <Ms2ger> khuey, if you fixed a leak in that patch, I should probably retract my r+, because I didn't spot it ;)
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2538. # [18:51] <khuey> Ms2ger: there's another patch
2539. # [18:51] <bent> mak++ (sqlite mutex_
2540. # [18:51] <rail> espindola: I'll ping you, rerunning the tests should help
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2542. # [18:51] <Ms2ger> Good
2543. # [18:51] <espindola> cool
2544. # [18:51] <mak> bent: I'm not expert in jemalloc things, but I think sqlite tries to use windows _msize instead of ours and this confuses jemalloc
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2547. # [18:52] <khuey> Ms2ger: 669845
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2549. # [18:52] <bent> mak, sounds entirely possible
2550. # [18:52] <imphil> I see... so I guess bz will get my review request then ...
2551. # [18:52] * @bz_sleep waits for lots of people to comment
2552. # [18:52] <mak> bent: btw, now testing win64 on try, the other issue (crash on je_free) is still open for now
2553. # [18:52] <@bz_sleep> imphil: hmm?
2554. # [18:52] <Ms2ger> Ah, yes
2555. # [18:52] <bent> mak, which is that?
2556. # [18:53] <Waldo> mak: regarding bug 718999, was the original dependence on the mfbt-not-using-JS_Assert because nsCOMPtr gets built before JS?
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2559. # [18:53] * bz_sleep is now known as bz
2560. # [18:53] <smaugIC> ah, bz_irccloud needs some data...
2561. # [18:53] <@bz> smaugIC: yep
2562. # [18:53] <@bz> But I'm working on that. ;)
2563. # [18:53] * @bz will just talk and talk.....
2564. # [18:53] <imphil> bz, bug 694754
2565. # [18:53] <@smaug> foobar foobar
2566. # [18:53] <mak> bent: all mochitests on win PGO crash in je_free trying to free up a string... related to some change done in 3.7.9 (the _msize change was in 3.7.10)
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2569. # [18:54] * @bz should have just used a different channel, but this is more fun
2570. # [18:54] <khuey> Waldo: nsCOMPtr does not get built before js
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2572. # [18:54] <khuey> and never has
2573. # [18:54] <Ms2ger> Waldo, for glue
2574. # [18:54] <Ms2ger> Which doesn't link with mozjs
2575. # [18:54] <imphil> bz, is it ok if I set r? to you? I just want to make sure it gets in before the uplift :)
2576. # [18:54] <Ms2ger> Or that is what he told me
2577. # [18:54] <@bz> imphil: good question
2578. # [18:55] <@bz> imphil: when is uplift again?
2579. # [18:55] <imphil> end of january
2580. # [18:55] <bent> mak, hm, do we have a bug on that too?
2581. # [18:55] <Waldo> Ms2ger: ah; and hrm
2582. # [18:55] <Waldo> khuey: yeah, that's what confused me, but Ms2ger makes sense
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2584. # [18:55] <imphil> bz, or will sicking return in time?
2585. # [18:55] <mak> bent: the 3.7.9 upgrade bug has all the info so far (even if it's wontfix)
2586. # [18:55] <bent> ok
2587. # [18:55] * @bz has no idea what sicking's plans are
2588. # [18:56] <@bz> I can get to this before end of Jan, I guess
2589. # [18:56] <@bz> or you could mail sicking....
2590. # [18:56] <@bz> see whether he's answering
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2592. # [18:56] <Waldo> Ms2ger, khuey: is there some technical reason why glue couldn't link against mozjs?
2593. # [18:56] <bent> mak, those crashes happened before the msize change though, right? so there's no chance your try patch will fix them?
2594. # [18:56] <Ms2ger> Waldo, > khuey
2595. # [18:56] * Waldo knows next to nothing about linking, but his knowledge would have him think there is none
2596. # [18:56] <khuey> Waldo: the point of the glue is not to link to things like that
2597. # [18:57] <Waldo> hmm
2598. # [18:57] <@bz> smaug: so one note that jumps out: as I scroll there's the text that says how long ago the stuff I'm looking at was
2599. # [18:57] <@bz> smaug: that might well be the source of the flushes
2600. # [18:57] <khuey> Waldo: but Ms2ger really meant to redirect you to bsmedberg
2601. # [18:57] <mak> bent: well, looking at this I now wonder if 3.7.9 had some other memory change that may confuse our allocator, so I'll check that as next step
2602. # [18:58] <mak> bent: but yes, the je_free issue existed before the _msize change
2603. # [18:58] <@bz> another test
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2606. # [18:58] <smaugIC> bz: right
2607. # [18:59] <bsmedberg> well, that really depends on *which* glue
2608. # [18:59] <bsmedberg> standalone glue isn't supposed to link against anything
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2610. # [18:59] <bsmedberg> the dependent glue is a bit... trickier
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2612. # [18:59] <@bz> smaugIC: ok, so I have a profile
2613. # [18:59] <Waldo> nsCOMPtr is...dependent glue?
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2615. # [18:59] <mak> hm, how do I trychoose win64?
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2617. # [18:59] <@bz> smaugIC: want it here, or in the bug?
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2619. # [19:00] <bsmedberg> we could require linking against JS for the dependent glue... we already require linking against mozutils, don't we?
2620. # [19:00] * Waldo is wildly guessing about that ;-)
2621. # [19:00] <khuey> Waldo: nsCOMPtr is build 4 separate times
2622. # [19:00] <smaugIC> bz: in the bug. My network connection is very bad today
2623. # [19:00] <Waldo> khuey: *golfclap*
2624. # [19:00] <bsmedberg> khuey: 4? I only remember 3
2625. # [19:00] <@bz> waldo: did it live with you at least 6 months last year?
2626. # [19:00] <khuey> bsmedberg: internal, external, external no mozalloc, external no nspr, right?
2627. # [19:00] <@bz> waldo: and did you provide at least half of its upkeep?
2628. # [19:00] <bsmedberg> oh, do we still do the nomozalloc version?
2629. # [19:01] <khuey> think so
2630. # [19:01] * bsmedberg wonders whyy
2631. # [19:01] <khuey> we probably shouldn't bother
2632. # [19:01] <bsmedberg> wasn't that for FF3.6/4 compatibility
2633. # [19:01] <khuey> yeah
2634. # [19:01] <bsmedberg> I thought I reviewed a patch to remove it
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2638. # [19:03] <Waldo> bz: how do you answer those questions for Heinlein-style community families?
2639. # [19:04] <deLta30> jdm: for - https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=697781#c15
2640. # [19:04] <deLta30> will this work? - caName = ToNewUnicode(NS_LITERAL_CSTRING("Verisign, Inc."));
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2644. # [19:04] <Ms2ger> Waldo, I would look that up, but Wikipedia...
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2646. # [19:04] <Ms2ger> deLta30, ugh :/
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2651. # [19:05] <khuey> Ms2ger: is the dutch wikipedia offline?
2652. # [19:06] <Ms2ger> Dunno
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2654. # [19:06] <Callek> Ms2ger: m.wikipedia.org
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2657. # [19:06] <Callek> Ms2ger: or View->Style->No Style
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2665. # [19:09] <deLta30> jdm: ping
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2669. # [19:10] <ddahl> Ms2ger: THANK YOU!
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2672. # [19:10] <Waldo> heh
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2674. # [19:10] * Ms2ger forwards thanks to mike5w3c
2675. # [19:11] <ddahl> Ms2ger: will do
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2678. # [19:11] <Waldo> that really is impressive that wikipedia is completely gone, without a site-sanctioned workaround at all
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2681. # [19:12] <khuey> yep
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2687. # [19:13] <jlebar> doublec, ping?
2688. # [19:13] <jlebar> or bholley would work too.
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2690. # [19:14] <Ms2ger> hsivonen, oh, so only the old tokenizer is still used outside about:blank, and the content sink is dead already?
2691. # [19:14] * Ms2ger starts to get ir
2692. # [19:14] <Ms2ger> it, even
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2696. # [19:15] <@bz> Waldo: the US tax code is not so compatible with those
2697. # [19:15] <Waldo> no, not so much!
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2699. # [19:15] <Ms2ger> Next up, removing tests
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2705. # [19:16] <@bz> waldo: e.g. "married, filing jointly" presupposes there are only two of you
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2708. # [19:17] * Waldo reads "filing jointly" and immediately thinks "so much for the war on drugs"
2709. # [19:17] <Ms2ger> bz, not even with exceptions for the Latter Days?
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2711. # [19:17] <Ms2ger> I guess those aren't actually married according to IRS
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2713. # [19:18] <wesj> smaug: review ping?
2714. # [19:18] <@smaug> wesj: ah, yes
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2716. # [19:18] <@smaug> sorry
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2719. # [19:18] <wesj> smaug: no problem. just asking. i actually realized i probably don't need any of those ifdefs in nsPresShell.cpp
2720. # [19:19] <wesj> smaug: and curious if you'd rather have some sort of MOZ_TOUCH ifdef (if any ifdefs at all)
2721. # [19:19] <bholley> jlebar: hi
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2723. # [19:19] <jlebar> bholley, Do you know how to translate a git rev to an hg rev?
2724. # [19:19] <Ms2ger> Not
2725. # [19:20] <jlebar> bholley, Without, say, comparing commit messages, or something? :)
2726. # [19:20] <bholley> jlebar: I usually just need the bug
2727. # [19:20] <jlebar> bholley, I'd like to do it automatically.
2728. # [19:20] <bholley> jlebar: rnewman might know
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2731. # [19:21] <jlebar> bholley, Then I can write a push-to-try script which automatically updates my hg repository to the right revision.
2732. # [19:21] <jlebar> Which would be sweet.
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2734. # [19:21] <bholley> jlebar: you mean the parent revision of your changes?
2735. # [19:21] <jlebar> bholley, yes.
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2739. # [19:22] <@smaug> wesj: MOZ_TOUCH could make sense
2740. # [19:22] <bholley> jlebar: interesting. Do you often run into that problem?
2741. # [19:22] <jlebar> bholley, All the time. :-/
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2743. # [19:22] <jlebar> bholley, Usually it's a trivial merge, like #includes at the top of a file.
2744. # [19:23] <mbrubeck> does TBPL suck for everyone or just me?
2745. # [19:23] <bholley> jlebar: I bet the b2g code moves faster than XPConnect
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2748. # [19:23] <jlebar> bholley, The main advantage of git for me is that I never have to merge my patches until I want to.
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2750. # [19:23] <philor> mbrubeck: I've been waiting two hours for this summary to load
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2752. # [19:23] <mbrubeck> yeah, thought so.
2753. # [19:24] <bholley> jlebar: right, me too. But for me that's mostly expressed in "not having to merge patches I'm not working on too much"
2754. # [19:24] <mbrubeck> tempted to close inbound since I have no real way to tell if breakage is checked in.
2755. # [19:24] <bholley> jlebar: usually I push to try right before pushing to m-i, so I rebase it anyway
2756. # [19:24] <jlebar> bholley, I see.
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2762. # [19:26] <khuey> "Talos Regression :( SunSpider NoChrome increase 57.2% on Android 2.2 mobile"
2763. # [19:26] <khuey> nice
2764. # [19:26] <Ms2ger> I say close
2765. # [19:27] <philor> tbpl.swatinem.de doesn't seem able to retrieve summaries either, so maybe bzapi or the bugzilla api is busted
2766. # [19:27] * philor blames glob, moves on
2767. # [19:27] <glob> :(
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2769. # [19:28] <glob> philor, STR required
2770. # [19:28] <philor> uh oh, it actually did fetch one, after a really long time
2771. # [19:28] <philor> thus confusing the issue even more
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2777. # [19:31] <philor> yep, and I have about 45 seconds before I need to shower and get dressed and go to work
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2779. # [19:33] <bernd> philor: still not hired by mozilla ?
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2781. # [19:34] <jdm> deLta30: pong
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2783. # [19:34] <deLta30> jdm: for - https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=697781#c15
2784. # [19:34] <deLta30> will this work? - caName = ToNewUnicode(NS_LITERAL_CSTRING("Verisign, Inc."));
2785. # [19:34] <jdm> hmm
2786. # [19:35] <glob> bernd, are you implying that if you work for mozilla, you don't shower and/or dress? :P
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2788. # [19:35] <jdm> I'm not sure what ToNewUnicode does
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2795. # [19:35] <deLta30> jdm: https://developer.mozilla.org/En/Mozilla_internal_string_guide
2796. # [19:35] <bernd> glob: a lot of people work from home
2797. # [19:35] <khuey> woah
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2799. # [19:35] <khuey> about:home is crazy
2800. # [19:36] * khuey likes it
2801. # [19:36] <deLta30> jdm: "ToNewUnicode(nsACString) - Creates a new PRUnichar* string which contains the inflated value."
2802. # [19:36] <jdm> deLta30: that sounds good to me
2803. # [19:36] <khuey> glob: some days I have to remind myself to put on pants
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2806. # [19:36] <deLta30> jdm: ok, I will update the patch
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2816. # [19:38] <taras> i'd like to open up the telemetry dashboard to community, but i'd like to keep it behind auth so we can limit it to reasonable people who wont overload our server
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2818. # [19:39] <taras> anybody have suggestions on what auth source to use?
2819. # [19:39] <bwinton> browserid? ;)
2820. # [19:39] <Mossop> browserid!
2821. # [19:39] <taras> can you vet people with browser id?
2822. # [19:39] <catlee> you have to build that yourself
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2824. # [19:39] <Mossop> Can you piggy-back of mozillians?
2825. # [19:39] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/c461f057fcff - Joel Maher - Bug 718795 - deploy new talos.zip. r=armenzg
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2827. # [19:39] <taras> Mossop: that's my question
2828. # [19:39] <catlee> and then hope they don't break the assertion validation again
2829. # [19:39] <taras> Mossop: do you know who is behind that site?
2830. # [19:39] <Ms2ger> OpenID
2831. # [19:40] <taras> any people i can email?
2832. # [19:40] <Mossop> taras: Aakash
2833. # [19:40] <taras> ok, thanks
2834. # [19:41] <khuey> does gavin really not havea bugzilla shortname?
2835. # [19:41] <taras> khuey: i think we should make about:home always have a black background :)
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2837. # [19:41] <khuey> taras: sold
2838. # [19:41] <jlebar> khuey, yes, I think so.
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2840. # [19:44] <Mossop> khuey: vin.sha!
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2842. # [19:45] <jdm> there's no public API for mozillians, at least
2843. # [19:45] <edmorley> philor, mbrubeck: has been timing out for me for a lot of the day too, thought it was issues my end
2844. # [19:45] <AryehGregor> jet, davidb: http://aryeh.name/tmp/css-test/contributors/aryehgregor/incoming/2d-transforms.html http://aryeh.name/tmp/css-test/contributors/aryehgregor/incoming/3d-transforms.html
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2846. # [19:46] <davidb> AryehGregor: probably wanted dbaron
2847. # [19:46] <Ms2ger> khuey, he does
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2849. # [19:46] <AryehGregor> Oh, oops.
2850. # [19:46] <Ms2ger> It's vin.sha
2851. # [19:46] <AryehGregor> davidb, thanks.
2852. # [19:47] <davidb> AryehGregor: np (nice to see those passes anyways)
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2854. # [19:47] <@bz> AryehGregor: so...
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2856. # [19:47] <@bz> AryehGregor: for getBoundingClientRect with singular transforms, things are fun
2857. # [19:47] <@bz> AryehGregor: no?
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2860. # [19:47] <@bz> AryehGregor: maybe there's no inversion required, though.....
2861. # [19:47] <AryehGregor> bz, in a meeting right now.
2862. # [19:48] <khuey> Ms2ger: wtf?
2863. # [19:48] <Ms2ger> Sup
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2865. # [19:48] <khuey> oh, I get it
2866. # [19:48] <khuey> :gavin would be much nicer though
2867. # [19:48] * bz is now known as bz_awat
2868. # [19:49] <froydnj> jduell: do you have a timeframe for reviewing 704848?
2869. # [19:49] <gavin> I refuse to add :gavin on religious grounds
2870. # [19:49] <gavin> khuey: why did you ask for superreview
2871. # [19:49] <Callek> gavin: afraid of the colon?
2872. # [19:49] <gavin> oh you changed an interface
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2874. # [19:50] <Callek> gavin: though I agree it would be good to have mozillians tied into bmo and search based on irc-nick as set there, and prioritize for anyone there, who has a group, say of "reviewer" ;-)
2875. # [19:50] <jduell> froydnj: hey, I've been burning through my reviews--yours is one of the last ones left. Should be this week. Sorry for the delay
2876. # [19:50] * jwir3 is now known as jwir3|lunch
2877. # [19:50] <philor> glob: if it's bugzilla, STR: time wget https://api-dev.bugzilla.mozilla.org/latest/bug?whiteboard=orange&summary=541714-2.html
2878. # [19:51] <froydnj> jduell: no worries. thanks!
2879. # [19:51] <glob> philor, the ongoing issue i emailed about is still happening :(
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2884. # [19:52] * philor must not read wherever that mail went
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2887. # [19:53] <philor> though from mentions, I suspect that would be the same reason I'm going to work instead of already at it, not being part of all@
2888. # [19:53] * lsblakk-mtg is now known as lsblakk
2889. # [19:53] <jdm> bsmedberg: ping
2890. # [19:54] <khuey> gavin: yeah there's an interface change
2891. # [19:54] <khuey> gavin: and the changes might effect extensions too
2892. # [19:56] <bsmedberg> jdm: pong
2893. # [19:56] <gavin> khuey: I commented in the bug
2894. # [19:56] <espindola> ted, can you take a look at 715397?
2895. # [19:56] <jdm> bsmedberg: do you have any opinion on my test patch for the test_sock.js orange?
2896. # [19:57] * philor is now known as philor|away
2897. # [19:57] <bsmedberg> I have not looked at it.
2898. # [19:57] <bsmedberg> Should I?
2899. # [19:57] <jdm> bsmedberg: well, my patch relates to nsIProcess use, and the original author of the test was a one-off contributor as far as I can tell
2900. # [19:58] <jdm> I'm quite mystified as to why the test has suddenly sparked up
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2902. # [19:59] <bsmedberg> what's the bug#?
2903. # [19:59] * jimm-lunch is now known as jimm
2904. # [19:59] <jdm> bsmedberg: bug 649564
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2907. # [20:01] <bsmedberg> jdm: well, I really don't know anything about socks or the test
2908. # [20:01] <bsmedberg> but the implementation of .kill() seems to intentionally throw if the process is already dead
2909. # [20:01] <jdm> yeah
2910. # [20:01] <bsmedberg> (or at least if the thread waiting on the process is dead, which is roughly the same thing)
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2915. # [20:04] <jdm> ted: ping
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2919. # [20:04] <ted> jdm: pong
2920. # [20:04] <jdm> ted: got any opinions about my patch for bug 649564?
2921. # [20:05] <ted> i uh
2922. # [20:05] <ted> dunno? :)
2923. # [20:05] <ted> looks pretty sane
2924. # [20:06] <ted> your theory is just that some things aren't being cleaned up in time, so we try to kill a process that's already dead, and throw an error?
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2926. # [20:07] <jdm> ted: yeah. I wish I could explain why it's suddenly happening now, though :/
2927. # [20:07] <ted> yeah, blem
2928. # [20:07] <ted> bleh
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2930. # [20:08] <AryehGregor> bz_awat, getBoundingClientRect() should work fine for a singular transform. A box will get mapped to either a point, or part of a line (in the 2D case). Should be no problem finding the bounding rect in either case, and in fact IIRC Gecko finds it just fine.
2931. # [20:08] <AryehGregor> IE gets confused, I think.
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2934. # [20:10] <AryehGregor> I can't think why you'd want to invert anything.
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2950. # [20:15] <jdm> why is brasstacks.mozilla.com not responding?
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2953. # [20:15] <jhammel> jdm: brasstacks is down
2954. # [20:15] <jdm> ;_;
2955. # [20:15] <jdm> just as I was getting curious about the major oranges these days
2956. # [20:15] <jhammel> has been for awhile; anything in particular you want/need?
2957. # [20:16] <jhammel> yeah :/
2958. # [20:16] <gandalf> is there any stylistic prefference in HTML5 DOM API between node.attr and node.getAttribute('attr') ?
2959. # [20:16] <KaiRo> "[webmaster] Why I am deleting Firefox, in favor of Opera" "Because you are boycotting SOPA for one day, it tells me that you are in favor of piracy and copyright theft, and against policing same. Therefore I am permanently boycotting Mozilla, and all other organizations who are in favor of piracy and theft. Switching out browsers is easy, switching e-mail addresses is harder, but by the end of the week I will no longer be
2960. # [20:16] <KaiRo> using any products or websites assocaited with people who are for piracy."
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2962. # [20:17] <KaiRo> so predicatble that some emails like this are coming in :(
2963. # [20:17] <jhammel> i hope they don't use youtube!
2964. # [20:17] <gandalf> stop feeding trolls
2965. # [20:17] <bwinton> KaiRo: Please tell me they sent that with Thunderbird… :)
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2967. # [20:18] <Callek> bwinton: I almost wished Microsoft would have a SOPA public statement at this point
2968. # [20:19] <jhammel> Callek: i would guess they will actively avoid saying anything
2969. # [20:19] <Callek> bwinton: as, that e-mail would have been more amusing if they could not use Windows
2970. # [20:19] <KaiRo> bwinton: X-Mailer: IncrediMail (6274927)
2971. # [20:19] <Callek> jhammel: I bet its practiced political clout thinking, since the people hurt most are those who would be direct competition with Microsoft's current business direction/plans
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2976. # [20:20] <Callek> so MS doesn't want to publically say they are against SOPA, ... and they don't want to say they are FOR it due to so many people/tech-saavy people who are strongly against it [just look at the go-daddy fiasco]
2977. # [20:20] <KaiRo> gandalf: I'm not feeding them, I just pasted an email from webmaster@m.o here, I won't reply anhow, we have someone else who replies to every email there
2978. # [20:21] <Callek> _every_ mail????
2979. # [20:21] * Callek is now tempted to troll webmaster@ ;-)
2980. # [20:21] <Callek> "Why I'm switching to SeaMonkey instead of Firefox"
2981. # [20:21] <Ms2ger> Callek++
2982. # [20:22] <Ms2ger> Where can I send SeaMonkey hatemail? :)
2983. # [20:22] <Callek> Ms2ger: /dev/null
2984. # [20:22] <rail> espindola: looks like it's fixed now, I retriggered one of the tests (waiting in queue)
2985. # [20:22] <Callek> I have filters for that purpose too
2986. # [20:22] <gandalf> Callek: why would you do this to Tomcat? :)
2987. # [20:22] <Callek> gandalf: ooo tomcat replies to them -- ok, trolling redacted... tomcats nice
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2991. # [20:23] <nemo> KaiRo: hm. well. good thing about webmaster, is that the SNR ratio on wikipedia will improve if others like him follow his lead
2992. # [20:23] <nemo> ugh. why did I type SNR ratio - I hate it when I do that. like ATM machine
2993. # [20:23] <Ms2ger> MPL license?
2994. # [20:24] <nemo> :)
2995. # [20:24] <nemo> Ms2ger: you know though, it does serve to disambiguate
2996. # [20:24] <nemo> and calling it AT machine would make me think of starwars
2997. # [20:24] <KaiRo> hehe
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2999. # [20:24] <Ms2ger> I hear the wikimedia blog post got OVER NINE THOUSAND comments
3000. # [20:25] <nemo> I didn't realise wikipedia was boycotting at first
3001. # [20:25] <espindola> rail, awesome. Thanks!
3002. # [20:25] <nemo> I had to whitelist them in NoScript to get the full effect
3003. # [20:25] <rail> np
3004. # [20:26] <nemo> I guess they wanted it easy to circumvent or they would have added a meta refresh or done it at the webserver level
3005. # [20:27] <Ms2ger> Well, mediawiki makes it really easy to add some JS code
3006. # [20:27] <Ms2ger> The others take rather more work
3007. # [20:27] <nemo> Ms2ger: huh. accessing <head> is difficult?
3008. # [20:27] <Ms2ger> Yes
3009. # [20:28] <Ms2ger> This is a wiki, not a website
3010. # [20:28] <nemo> yeah, but I figured it had some templating mechanism
3011. # [20:28] <nemo> that to do it generically, they'd slapped it into that
3012. # [20:28] <ehsan> jdm: do we have good docs on how to create a patch and attach it to a bug?
3013. # [20:28] <ehsan> jdm: starting from hg diff perhaps?
3014. # [20:28] <jdm> ehsan: I believe so; let me check
3015. # [20:29] <ehsan> ty
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3017. # [20:29] <jdm> ehsan: there's https://developer.mozilla.org/En/Developer_Guide/How_to_Submit_a_Patch, which is a decent overview
3018. # [20:31] <ehsan> jdm: that looks good, thanks :)
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3028. # [20:35] <bernd> nemo: did you file the bug http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/developers/20120116#l-9
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3033. # [20:36] <ehsan> smaug: ping
3034. # [20:37] <@smaug> ehsan: pong
3035. # [20:37] <ehsan> smaug: I'd like to send you a new log, which code snippet on the wiki page should I use?
3036. # [20:37] <@smaug> ehsan: the first one is ok
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3041. # [20:40] <sylar> what is the way today for installing extension for multiple users on linux, without that the user will need to do anything ?
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3043. # [20:43] <Callek> sylar: if you control the install location/method of Firefox you can place it in @app-install-loc@/distribution/extensions/*.xpi (for each addon for varying .xpi's)
3044. # [20:43] <Callek> sylar: there is another way, but I can't remember it, nor think on the right MDC search string
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3057. # [20:47] <bhearsum> is it valid for an HTTP DELETE to have a data in the request body?
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3059. # [20:47] <Ms2ger> Where's Julian when you need him?
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3061. # [20:49] <jhammel|lunch> bhearsum: afaik, no
3062. # [20:49] <bhearsum> ahh
3063. # [20:49] <bhearsum> thanks jhammel|lunch
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3067. # [20:50] <sylar> Callek: I am the admin, so I could control, but is it the method mentioned at: http://kb.mozillazine.org/Installing_extensions ?
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3071. # [20:51] <jhammel|lunch> bhearsum: OTOH, this doesn't seem to be indicated explicitly in http://www.w3.org/Protocols/rfc2616/rfc2616-sec9.html
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3073. # [20:51] <sylar> Callek: if yes it say that - When you start your Mozilla application again, it displays an installation dialog, asking "The following items were found in your Extensions folder. Do you want to install them?"
3074. # [20:51] <Callek> sylar: actually that linked to the best doc
3075. # [20:51] <Callek> https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Installing_extensions
3076. # [20:51] <bhearsum> jhammel|lunch: hmm, and i just found some things saying that some proxies will remove them, and some web servers will ignore them...
3077. # [20:52] <bhearsum> so...seems unsupported for practical purposes!
3078. # [20:52] <Callek> sylar: and yes, it asks that on newest Firefox's iirc
3079. # [20:52] <Callek> but I'm no expert here
3080. # [20:52] <jhammel|lunch> bhearsum: wfm :)
3081. # [20:52] <sylar> Callek: the thing is that I don't want to involve the users in the extension installation
3082. # [20:53] <Callek> sylar: I think your best bet given that is to set it in distribution/extensions/*
3083. # [20:53] <sylar> Callek, so I don't want FF to ask if to install the extension. I just want it to be installed for all users on the system
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3085. # [20:54] <sylar> Callek: I tried putting it in /usr/share/mozilla/extensions/
3086. # [20:55] <sylar> Callek, sorry I tried in /usr/share/iceweasel/extensions/
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3088. # [20:55] <sylar> Callek, but then it openned disabled at the users, and each user would have to manually enable it
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3090. # [20:55] <Callek> sylar: without trying to be rude (in fact trying NOT to be) I am literally falling asleep at the comp, I got up at 11 pm last night and its 3pm now... can't hang around much longer and even less-able to think on this
3091. # [20:56] <sylar> Callek: k, thanks
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3121. # [21:07] <gavin> khuey: seems like your patch would be a lot simpler if you kept the nsFind caching
3122. # [21:07] <gavin> is it really that hard to get right? is it really OK to start having 1-per-tab?
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3124. # [21:08] <Ms2ger> \o/
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3126. # [21:08] <Ms2ger> 2 SOPA supporters down
3127. # [21:08] <jhammel|lunch> ?
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3129. # [21:08] <gavin> (I hate when the first thing I comment about on a patch is some trivial thing, and then later realize the patch is fundamentally wrong)
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3131. # [21:09] <khuey> gavin: nsFind instances also hold pointers into the content document
3132. # [21:10] <khuey> so we either need to explicitly reset them or drop them
3133. # [21:10] <khuey> dropping them is easier, imo
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3138. # [21:10] <ogl_es> hi, will Firefox take advantage of Ice Cream Sandwich's OpenGL ES rendering? http://www.anandtech.com/show/5310/samsung-galaxy-nexus-ice-cream-sandwich-review/2
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3140. # [21:11] <gavin> khuey: what do you mean "drop them"?
3141. # [21:11] <@smaug> ogl_es: better to ask #mobile
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3144. # [21:11] <gavin> the nsFind's still have the same lifetime as the browser, right?
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3146. # [21:11] <khuey> gavin: no ...
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3148. # [21:11] <khuey> gavin: are you confusing nsTypeAheadFinds and nsFinds here?
3149. # [21:11] <gavin> maybe
3150. # [21:12] <khuey> gavin: the browser binding only sees the nsTypeAheadFind
3151. # [21:12] <khuey> the underlying nsFind is an implementation detail
3152. # [21:12] <gavin> just assume everything I said above was nsTypeAheadFinds
3153. # [21:12] <gavin> you're removing the re-use of nsTypeAheadFinds
3154. # [21:12] <gavin> can we not do that?
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3157. # [21:13] <khuey> gavin: er, no I'm not
3158. # [21:13] <khuey> I'm very explicitly not doing that
3159. # [21:13] <khuey> even though I think it's the right thing to do
3160. # [21:13] <gavin> before your patch, tabbrowser would have one nsTypeAheadFinds and each browser would use it. after your patch, each browser has its own nsTypeAheadFinds
3161. # [21:13] <khuey> we do move from having one nsTypeAheadFind per tabbrowser to having one per browser though
3162. # [21:13] <gavin> right?
3163. # [21:13] <gavin> yes, that's what I mean
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3169. # [21:14] <khuey> gavin: ok, so now that we're on the same page, what's the question?
3170. # [21:14] <gavin> having 1 nsTypeAheadFind per tab seems like it could negatively impact memory usage
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3173. # [21:15] <gavin> and it doesn't seem hard to keep the sharing
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3175. # [21:15] <gavin> so can you fix that bug by just fixing the bad references, and keep the sharing of nsTypeAheadFinds?
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3181. # [21:17] <khuey> gavin: if we have one nsTypeAheadFind per tabbrowser we need to reset the nsTypeAheadFind's state in more places
3182. # [21:17] <khuey> like whenever we switch tabs
3183. # [21:17] <khuey> etc
3184. # [21:18] <gavin> we already call setDocShell
3185. # [21:18] <gavin> is that not sufficient?
3186. # [21:18] <khuey> hmm
3187. # [21:18] <khuey> there was a reason I did this ...
3188. # [21:18] <khuey> but I'll be damned if I can remember what it was
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3190. # [21:19] <gavin> i.e. isn't your one-line change to reset mEndPointRange in setDocShell sufficient to fix the leak?
3191. # [21:19] <khuey> no
3192. # [21:19] <gavin> oh maybe also the mFind re-set?
3193. # [21:19] <khuey> because the nsTypeAheadFind has an nsFind
3194. # [21:19] <khuey> which itself holds other things alive
3195. # [21:19] <gavin> ok
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3197. # [21:19] <gavin> so those two things then
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3201. # [21:20] <khuey> yeah, maybe
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3213. # [21:24] <jdm> woohoo, a university prof reached out to me
3214. # [21:24] <jdm> contributor engagement is the bomb
3215. # [21:25] <khuey> better than writing code? :-P
3216. # [21:26] <jhammel> depends on if the contributor writes code you don't want to write ;)
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3221. # [21:27] <bernd> mats: ?
3222. # [21:27] <edmorley> gps: did you mean it to be |FAIL_ON_WARNINGS := 1| ?
3223. # [21:27] <mats> bernd: hey
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3225. # [21:28] <bernd> I implemented special code to prevent tables splitting in columns so if you can't do it I was succesfull
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3227. # [21:29] <mats> bernd: heh, ok. so I gather it's not possible at all in galley mode?
3228. # [21:30] <bernd> the problem is that we can't pull frames back
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3230. # [21:30] <bernd> its not a technical problem just there is no code that does it
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3232. # [21:31] <bernd> but for column balancing it is essential
3233. # [21:31] <jdm> khuey: sometimes! I was surprised when I realized that.
3234. # [21:31] <khuey> ha
3235. # [21:31] <khuey> nothing wrong with that
3236. # [21:32] <jaws> bz_awat: do you think you could take bug 702463? it involves the refresh driver like bug 598482.
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3239. # [21:32] <mats> bernd: I see; it's not important I just wanted to test something...
3240. # [21:33] <bernd> mats: the bit that does the trick is mTableIsSplittable at http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/layout/generic/nsHTMLReflowState.cpp#104
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3243. # [21:33] <bernd> if you block this at http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/layout/generic/nsColumnSetFrame.cpp#659
3244. # [21:33] <mats> bernd: ok, thanks.
3245. # [21:33] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/58e933465c36 - Serge Gautherie - Bug 694353. (Av2-FF) Stop explicitly packaging NSS .chk files which are now created in the staging directory directly, Reorder PSM files. r=ted.mielczarek.
3246. # [21:33] <bernd> we will split in print preview
3247. # [21:35] <bernd> mats: but it will crash rather soon as the column will reflow us multiple times and the table splitting code can't handle it
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3253. # [21:37] <mats> bernd: yeah, I know PP splits tables but I wanted to test some incremental reflow which doesn't seem possible in PP
3254. # [21:38] <mats> bernd: ok, nevermind then. We'll revisit this in the future I suspect ;-)
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3257. # [21:38] <jhammel> mats: it would be if you rewrote Firefox in PostScript :P
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3267. # [21:45] <jlebar> bholley, https://github.com/jlebar/moz-git-tools
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3271. # [21:46] <bholley> jlebar: nice
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3276. # [21:47] * @smaug never remembers the name... requestAnimation something
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3278. # [21:48] <gavin> ugh bugzilla so slow :(
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3281. # [21:50] <tbsaunde> jlebar: couldn't you do git-purge better with git-clean?
3282. # [21:50] <jlebar> tbsaunde, probably!
3283. # [21:50] * jlebar is not very good at git.
3284. # [21:50] <jlebar> tbsaunde, send me a pull request?
3285. # [21:51] <tbsaunde> jlebar: ok
3286. # [21:52] <jlebar> tbsaunde, Oh, git clean is exactly the command I want, isn't it? :-/
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3288. # [21:54] <jbuck> jlebar: that looks awesome
3289. # [21:54] <tbsaunde> jlebar: yeah, I think so
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3291. # [21:54] <jlebar> jbuck, Yay. :) It's mostly stuff I got from bholley.
3292. # [21:54] <tbsaunde> jlebar: I had to check what exactly hg purge did to know that ;)
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3300. # [21:58] <@bz_awat> woohoo!
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3302. # [21:58] <KWierso> awat
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3304. # [21:58] * @bz does the "transform changes no longer need to reflow" dance
3305. # [21:58] <@bz> KWierso: a tyop it was. ;)
3306. # [21:58] * mattwoodrow|away is now known as mattwoodrow
3307. # [21:58] <mreid> Can anyone point me to the place in the code where we prompted 3.6 users to upgrade?
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3309. # [21:59] <nthomas> mreid: can you be more specific ?
3310. # [21:59] <mreid> nthomas, I'm told we displayed this to users: https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/latest/details/from-3.6.html
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3312. # [22:00] <nthomas> mreid: modulo the locale yes, it's part of the update offer the app gets when it does a query - eg https://aus3.mozilla.org/update/1/Firefox/3.6.25/20111212142243/WINNT_x86-msvc/en-US/release/update.xml?force=1 (that's not quite the right url, but is the right content)
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3314. # [22:01] <nthomas> that didn't get offered to all requests yet, just the ones where the users is initiating the check
3315. # [22:01] <khuey> looks like bmo is gone
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3317. # [22:02] <khuey> or maybe just super slow
3318. # [22:02] <gaston> yes, super slow
3319. # [22:02] <mreid> nthomas, thanks. What I'm really looking for is an example where a regular web page is displayed within a privileged context
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3322. # [22:04] * @bz wonders why bugzilla won't talk to him
3323. # [22:04] <nthomas> the phx half of it is getting ddos'd again
3324. # [22:04] <KWierso> bugzilla talks to me
3325. # [22:04] <Mossop> Don't you wish it wouldn't though
3326. # [22:04] <KWierso> Mossop: at times
3327. # [22:04] <jdm> anybody know if there's a way for non-MoCo folk to access vidyo?
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3330. # [22:05] <KWierso> jdm: I think you can make guest URLs
3331. # [22:05] <khuey> sounds like a good time to call it a night
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3334. # [22:05] <@bz> Service Unavailable
3335. # [22:05] <@bz> not useful
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3339. # [22:06] <nthomas> mreid: I don't recall where in browser/ the UI for updates is, but http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/file/58e933465c36/toolkit/mozapps/update/nsUpdateService.js is the backend and might help you find it
3340. # [22:06] <KWierso> bz: the datacenter just wants to support the sopa protest
3341. # [22:06] <mreid> nthomas, awesome, thank you
3342. # [22:06] <@bz> KWierso: mmhm
3343. # [22:06] <nthomas> mreid: rob strong (rs) is the code owner if you need help
3344. # [22:07] <mreid> k, I'll see what I can find from this lead before pestering others :)
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3353. # [22:11] <mats> bernd: fwiw, I tested an Opera labs build - it splits a big table in both columns mode and "overflow: -o-paged-x" mode
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3368. # [22:22] <cpearce> uh, is the "Trying to Download Firefox? You can still do that here" link working for anybody? It's not working for me...
3369. # [22:22] <cpearce> on getfirefox.com
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3371. # [22:23] <KWierso> cpearce: giving me a HTTP 503 response
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3379. # [22:25] <Cww> cpearce: you may want to ping in #webdev
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3388. # [22:31] <bernd> mats: ff would also do this if I would understand how to unsplit table cells
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3412. # [22:48] <cpearce> Damn that DDOS on b.m.o!
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3422. # [22:52] <philor> damn people starring the oranges that I finally get a summary for out from under me before I get back to that tab!
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3426. # [22:53] <cdleary> anybody know if it's possible to get a minidump off of try?
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3432. # [22:57] <nthomas> cdleary: pretty hard, unless the slave hasn't already got another job
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3434. # [22:57] <cdleary> nthomas: okay, thanks for the info
3435. # [22:58] <fryn> smaug: ping
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3440. # [22:58] <mbrubeck> Why are Android opt C1/C2/R1 unhidden on inbound?
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3452. # [22:59] <@smaug> fryn: pong
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3455. # [23:01] * mbrubeck re-hides permarange native Android tests
3456. # [23:01] <fryn> smaug: how do i make an event chrome-only? gavin suggested that you would know https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=611553#c6
3457. # [23:01] <romaxa> mbrubeck: ping
3458. # [23:01] <mbrubeck> romaxa: pong
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3468. # [23:05] <@smaug> fryn: looking
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3470. # [23:06] <rnewman> jlebar: fgrep the git_mapfile in your git-hg dir
3471. # [23:07] <rnewman> it maps commits to commits
3472. # [23:07] <jlebar|mac> rnewman: But I have to get that file and keep it updated, no?
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3475. # [23:07] <rnewman> hg-git does exactly that
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3477. # [23:08] <jlebar|mac> rnewman: …assuming I'm using hg-git?
3478. # [23:08] <@smaug> fryn: so if chrome opens modal dialog, it should still get the event itself?
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3480. # [23:08] <fryn> smaug: yes.
3481. # [23:08] <rnewman> if you're not, then you'll have to explain the situation to me :)
3482. # [23:08] <@smaug> if so, add NS_EVENT_FLAG_ONLY_CHROME_DISPATCH to the event
3483. # [23:08] * jhammel is now known as MCHammel
3484. # [23:09] <jlebar|mac> rnewman: :) I'm using doublec's mc git repository, and a vanilla m-c hg clone.
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3486. # [23:09] <jlebar|mac> rnewman: I understand that the git repository was created with hg-git, but I'm not using it...
3487. # [23:10] <jlebar|mac> rnewman: (If you want to see the hack I ended up with: https://github.com/jlebar/moz-git-tools/blob/master/git-to-hg-commit)
3488. # [23:10] <jlebar|mac> rnewman: (Search hg for matching user and date, then search by commit message.)
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3492. # [23:11] <philor> mbrubeck: I think jmaher fixed them, and forgot he needed to star the rest of the page after unhiding them
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3494. # [23:11] <philor> but then I got distracted from looking because someone starred all the stuff I'd gotten summaries for out from under me!
3495. # [23:11] <jlebar|mac> rnewman: Maybe you're saying I *should* be using it?
3496. # [23:12] <mbrubeck> philor: Oh, nice.
3497. # [23:12] <fryn> smaug: can that be done from javascript? for example, we fire it in JS here https://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/toolkit/components/prompts/src/nsPrompter.js#415
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3502. # [23:13] <@smaug> fryn: it is C++ only thing
3503. # [23:13] <@smaug> fryn: you need to add something to JS
3504. # [23:14] <@smaug> perhaps to nsIEventListenerService
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3506. # [23:14] <@smaug> some helper method which can dispatch chrome only events
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3508. # [23:15] <rnewman> jlebar|mac: IIRC, doublec publishes his git-mapfile
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3511. # [23:15] <rnewman> I can provide you one
3512. # [23:15] <rnewman> but not right now over USB tethering
3513. # [23:15] <rnewman> (~25MB)
3514. # [23:15] <fryn> smaug: oh boy, i don't trust myself to write production C++, but i'll give it a shot. thanks for the pointers.
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3516. # [23:16] <jlebar|mac> rnewman: I've heard of this file. So when I have hg-git initialized, when I pull from m-c in hg, that file will be updated?
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3543. # [23:35] <Waldo> anyone know anything about when the mpl2 switch is expected to happen?
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3562. # [23:44] <sfink> What's the future of OS X 10.5? I have a patch for a new feature that only breaks there. Should I track it down, or twiddle my thumbs until 10.5 goes away?
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3564. # [23:45] <nthomas> josh would be a good person to ask, he broached dropping support on the newsgroups a while back
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3566. # [23:47] <josh> sfink: I'm probably going to follow up in support of my original suggestion to drop support in Firefox 13 but I need to verify that my user predictions are holding up before I post again. What feature are you adding?
3567. # [23:47] * heycam|away is now known as heycam
3568. # [23:48] <josh> In addition to the argument I laid out before, 10.5 users now have an LTS release to use for a while.
3569. # [23:49] <sfink> Nothing the least bit critical. It's a combined C++/JS stack walker, and in the initial landing it'll only get JS stacks anyway. (The full feature requires libunwind, which will need to be installed onto slaves or imported into our tree.) I could ifdef it out on 10.5.
3570. # [23:49] <darktrojan> Mossop, ping?
3571. # [23:52] <Waldo> sfink: ifdefs seem the smart path forward here
3572. # [23:52] * Waldo has no idea what those ifdefs would be, tho
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3574. # [23:53] <Mossop> darktrojan: pong
3575. # [23:53] <darktrojan> this db schema bug, I should try to get it fixed on beta, yes?
3576. # [23:55] <doublec> jlebar|mac: pong
3577. # [23:56] <jlebar|mac> doublec: it's ok; rnewman|offsite helped me out with it. https://github.com/jlebar/moz-git-tools
3578. # [23:56] <doublec> ah ok
3579. # [23:56] * jlebar|mac likes tools. :)
3580. # [23:56] <Mossop> darktrojan: I'm not sure I'd rush it really. Unless you can think of a plausible common way where we can get into that state in the first place seems like just protecting against fluke conditions so not too critical
3581. # [23:57] <darktrojan> Mossop, I had the ESR in mind, but I guess not that many people will be upgrading from 4-8 to ESR
3582. # [23:57] <darktrojan> anyway, patch is there
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