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  55. # [03:24] <Hixie> how is -moz-box-sizing still not unprefixed
  56. # [03:24] <Hixie> it's been over a decade now
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  106. # [07:55] <zcorpan> wonder if we can introduce a way for authors to opt out of https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=11960 (something like "use strict")
  107. # [07:58] <zewt> heh, i've started writing pages with fewer and fewer ids ... not really for that reason, but it does help reduce it
  108. # [08:02] <zewt> heh microsoft saying "pages break" and the only example anyone's come up with is microsoft.com? really?
  109. # [08:05] <zcorpan> yep
  110. # [08:06] <zcorpan> but i'm sure there are more that break, they're just hard to find (especially since they likely use browser sniffing and barewords)
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  113. # [08:20] <zcorpan> what's up with http://html5.org/tools/web-apps-tracker?from=7277&to=7278 ?
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  118. # [08:23] <zcorpan> Hixie: btw, having links to bug in commit message and link to diff in bug comment was quite helpful. is it much extra work?
  119. # [08:26] <MikeSmith> zcorpan: weird. http://lists.whatwg.org/pipermail/commit-watchers-whatwg.org/2012/006432.html has the diff
  120. # [08:26] <zcorpan> oh, nevermind, i see you included that in later commits
  121. # [08:26] <zcorpan> MikeSmith: yeah
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  125. # [08:44] <annevk> Ms2ger: next time you just remove yourself from the CC list, please don't add a comment
  126. # [08:44] <annevk> Ms2ger: now I get email, otherwise I wouldn't
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  151. # [09:29] <annevk> whatever came out of the lazy Blob thread?
  152. # [09:29] <annevk> nothing?
  153. # [09:30] <Ms2ger> Sounds about right
  154. # [09:36] <zcorpan> annevk: you expect things to *happen*? are you new here? :-)
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  157. # [09:42] <annevk> zcorpan: yeah, what is this place anyway?
  158. # [09:42] <jgraham> This is #lazylayabouts
  159. # [09:42] <jgraham> But we changed the name for PR reasons
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  161. # [09:46] <annevk> ooh
  162. # [09:46] <annevk> I'm no longer in WebApps or WebAppSec
  163. # [09:46] <jgraham> I am very tempted to respond to dglazkov's packaging thread with "show me the use cases". It's not that I doubt that there are use cases for web sites having dependencies, but it is very hard to tell what the actual requirements are without having been to his f2f meetings
  164. # [09:46] <annevk> and no longer have W3C Member access
  165. # [09:47] <annevk> more freedom, yay
  166. # [09:47] <annevk> no W3C Member access, but still in Chairs
  167. # [09:47] <annevk> I wonder how that works
  168. # [09:47] <annevk> hahaha
  169. # [09:47] <annevk> I can no longer access the Chairs guide
  170. # [09:48] <annevk> I'm in Chairs, but not in the Notifications WG
  171. # [09:48] <annevk> weird
  172. # [09:56] <smaug____> annevk: Join Mozilla and become a member again :)
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  194. # [10:46] <annevk> I'm still in the Forms Task Force
  195. # [10:46] <annevk> anyone remember that one?
  196. # [10:47] <Ms2ger> No :)
  197. # [10:47] <jgraham> annevk: So, which is more useful, the Forms Task Force or the Chairs list?
  198. # [10:48] <annevk> Chairs I guess, I still get the supposedly Member-only email
  199. # [10:49] <Ms2ger> Oh, look, https://svgwg.org/svg2-draft/
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  201. # [10:50] <annevk> https://svgwg.org/svg2-draft/changes.html is the interesting bit
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  203. # [10:51] <annevk> "Added the ‘maskType’ attribute to the ‘mask’ element." yay more HTML parser changes upcoming
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  205. # [10:52] <Ms2ger> Oh look, a reference to DOM4
  206. # [10:52] <annevk> and why not name it "type"?
  207. # [10:52] <Ms2ger> As well as DOM2EVENTS, DOM2STYLE and DOM2VIEWS
  208. # [10:52] <annevk> why not Zoidberg?
  209. # [10:53] <annevk> overall though it seems like many small steps in the right direction
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  212. # [10:57] <annevk> nobody updated DOM4 in the last two months
  213. # [10:59] <annevk> MikeSmith: so say I still want to try this W3C thing for now, how do I apply for Invited Expert status for WebApps/WebAppSec/Notifications?
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  215. # [10:59] <annevk> MikeSmith: I assumed that would happen automatically when I changed affiliation, but apparently it does not
  216. # [11:03] <annevk> ah, found https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/1/ieapp/
  217. # [11:03] <zcorpan> yay for svg to embrace webidl and dom4
  218. # [11:06] <annevk> hmm
  219. # [11:06] <annevk> maybe I don't want to be an Invited Expert
  220. # [11:06] <annevk> "The Invited Expert agrees to refrain from creating derivative works that include the Invited Expert's contributions when those derivative works are likely to cause confusion about the status of the W3C work or create risks of non-interoperability with a W3C Recommendation. «Branching» is one example of a non-permissible derivative work."
  221. # [11:06] <annevk> from http://www.w3.org/Consortium/Legal/2007/06-invited-expert.html
  222. # [11:07] <annevk> seems kind of contradictory to giving the W3C a nonexclusive copyright
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  226. # [11:18] <zcorpan> annevk: sent an email about maskType
  227. # [11:19] <annevk> and I submitted aforementioned form by indicating I do not agree with the terms
  228. # [11:19] <annevk> I wonder what happens
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  230. # [11:27] <odinho> I don't understand what that thing is supposed to prohibit.
  231. # [11:27] <odinho> Evil invited experts? And what about evil companies/members then?
  232. # [11:28] <Ms2ger> odinho, people publishing specs outside the W3C and undermining the W3C's authority
  233. # [11:28] <Ms2ger> Basically, WHATWG
  234. # [11:28] <odinho> Ms2ger: But why only place that on invited experts?
  235. # [11:29] <odinho> I mean, it's a stupid thing, but it has squared stupidity when it's not consistent.
  236. # [11:29] <jgraham> Ms2ger: Also, say, ePub
  237. # [11:30] <Ms2ger> Hah, ePub
  238. # [11:30] <annevk> Ms2ger, you also Ms2ger on github?
  239. # [11:30] <jgraham> (I mean if http://idpf.org/epub/30/spec/epub30-contentdocs.html#sec-xhtml-additions isn't a "derivative work" I don't know what is)
  240. # [11:32] <jgraham> (and clearly by implementing additions, you risk non-interoperability with HTML UAs that fail to implement those additions)
  241. # [11:32] <jgraham> (plus the next section is called "deviations")
  242. # [11:33] <Ms2ger> annevk, yes
  243. # [11:33] <Ms2ger> Though I hate it
  244. # [11:34] <jgraham> Ms2ger: You don't like git? Who knew?
  245. # [11:34] <Ms2ger> "Deviations" reminds me of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Chrysalids
  246. # [11:34] <annevk> Ms2ger: I read you can access it through hg-git, so you should be okay
  247. # [11:38] <annevk> jgraham: you did this kind of thing before right?
  248. # [11:38] <annevk> jgraham: say I create a github repository, can I then put a hg repository in it without much hassle?
  249. # [11:38] <annevk> jgraham: or is there some other way to go about it
  250. # [11:39] <jgraham> annevk: doublec knows all. Im particular http://www.bluishcoder.co.nz/2011/02/10/git-conversion-of-mozilla-central.html
  251. # [11:41] <annevk> interesting
  252. # [11:41] <annevk> I don't necessarily care about keeping things in sync afterwards
  253. # [11:42] <annevk> but I guess I should install that hg-git thing
  254. # [11:42] <jgraham> Yeah it is still probably the best way of doing the one-time import
  255. # [11:43] <jgraham> Or export depending on your point of view
  256. # [11:44] <annevk> of course, first need to update MacPorts
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  258. # [11:51] <jgraham> OK, why do gecko/webkit fail to run the last two tests in http://hoppipolla.co.uk/tests/history/001.html (popups needed)
  259. # [11:52] <jgraham> (yes the test is kind of very ugly)
  260. # [11:57] <annevk> almost catched up on 100 or so threads, nothing much interesting, apart from a few minor bugs in DOM
  261. # [11:57] <annevk> a lot of agenda bullshit
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  264. # [12:30] <annevk> apparently my 512x512 rendering of the WHATWG logo downscales poorly as seen on https://github.com/whatwg
  265. # [12:30] <annevk> if anyone has a better solution, please let me know
  266. # [12:31] <Ms2ger> Do they take SVG images?
  267. # [12:32] <jgraham> annevk: Surely if you downscale it yourself in photogimp you can get acceptable results?
  268. # [12:33] <annevk> Ms2ger: nope, goes via gravatar
  269. # [12:34] <annevk> jgraham: the problem is they scale it themselves to various resolutions
  270. # [12:36] <jgraham> annevk: So wait, we are spending time worrying about the tiny fraction of people with retina displays, and they won't even let you upload a 64x64 image to use at 64x64?
  271. # [12:36] <jgraham> er 140x140
  272. # [12:36] <annevk> uhuh
  273. # [12:36] <annevk> the web is a funny place
  274. # [12:37] <annevk> or hell, but that depends on your pov
  275. # [12:37] <jgraham> Wait
  276. # [12:37] <jgraham> It is github's fault (I think?)
  277. # [12:37] <jgraham> They are showing a 140x140 image at 48x48
  278. # [12:37] <annevk> that sounds like their fault
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  280. # [12:38] <ruby_on_tails> how to fallback to the default font till the custom font used in a canvas loads ?
  281. # [12:38] <annevk> maybe also why it renders somewhat better depending on which browser you use
  282. # [12:38] <ruby_on_tails> i suddenly have a slow internet and the font takes too long to load and other things start animating on the canvas
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  284. # [12:38] <ruby_on_tails> and no text shows up till the font loads which fails a lot of times on slow net
  285. # [12:38] <ruby_on_tails> thats bad
  286. # [12:39] <annevk> ruby_on_tails: can't you set a fallback font?
  287. # [12:39] <ruby_on_tails> annevk: how ?
  288. # [12:39] <ruby_on_tails> ctx.font = "20px arial"
  289. # [12:39] <ruby_on_tails> can i use "20px arial, verdana" ?
  290. # [12:39] <ruby_on_tails> let me try
  291. # [12:40] <ruby_on_tails> ctx.font = "50px bebas, arial"; doesnt work
  292. # [12:41] <annevk> per the spec that's a browser bug
  293. # [12:41] <ruby_on_tails> whats the solution for now ?
  294. # [12:41] <annevk> file a bug on the relevant browser
  295. # [12:42] <annevk> and you can check if something was drawn and if not, reset the font and do it again
  296. # [12:42] <annevk> I guess
  297. # [12:46] <ruby_on_tails> but is that code supposed to work ?
  298. # [12:46] <ruby_on_tails> ctx.font = "50px bebas, arial";
  299. # [12:46] <annevk> yeah
  300. # [12:47] <ruby_on_tails> i cant see such usage in any SO answer or doc reference
  301. # [12:48] <annevk> tutorials never cover the whole spec
  302. # [12:49] <ruby_on_tails> hmm
  303. # [12:50] <ruby_on_tails> why doesnt window.onload wait for fonts ?
  304. # [12:50] <ruby_on_tails> it should wait for fonts like images i guess
  305. # [12:50] <ruby_on_tails> maybe i am wrong
  306. # [12:53] <jgraham> Sigh
  307. # [12:54] <jgraham> So browsers don't seem to fire pageshow events from document.open
  308. # [12:54] <jgraham> Any idea if this is a compat. need?
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  312. # [13:07] <zcorpan> downscaling a big image sounds like the right thing to do if you care about retina displays (in this case the image is small enough to not bother with multiple versions)
  313. # [13:08] <zcorpan> only opera's rendering looks bad (i filed a bug)
  314. # [13:08] <zcorpan> or well, the *right* thing to do in this case would be to use svg
  315. # [13:08] <jgraham> Downscaling an image by a non integer ratio sounds like a stupid thing to do
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  317. # [13:10] <zcorpan> if only the 140x140 version was uploaded to gravatar and you want to display it as 48x48, it has to be downscaled *somewhere*
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  320. # [13:11] <jgraham> zcorpan: annevk said he had a 512x512 version
  321. # [13:11] <zcorpan> oh
  322. # [13:11] <zcorpan> well then there's something stupid going on indeed
  323. # [13:12] <jgraham> (still not a good ratio of course, but downscaling that to 140 and then to 48 is crazy)
  324. # [13:12] <annevk> and if you want perfect icons, you need several of them I'm told
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  326. # [13:12] <annevk> relying on scaling algorithms is not a good idea per the icon crowd
  327. # [13:15] <Ms2ger> http://i.qkme.me/3qnjb3.jpg
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  388. # [16:45] <zewt> i wonder who would name a child "RGraph.net"
  389. # [16:46] <jgraham> There was a guy at Opera named his children C APL and Ruby
  390. # [16:46] <zewt> can never understand what's going on the the heads of people who post to mailing lists with a company name
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  398. # [16:59] <karlcow> zewt: this maybe http://infofranpro.wdfiles.com/local--files/20100624-brand-identity/Brain3d.jpg
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  405. # [17:17] <filipe> alguem conhece um bom material para quem esta começando em html5?
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  407. # [17:19] <jgraham> filipe: Maybe http://html5doctor.com/resources/ will help you
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  527. # [19:38] <Hixie> is http://philip.html5.org/tests/canvas/suite/tests/ the most up to date / canonical test suite for canvas?
  528. # [19:38] <Ms2ger> No
  529. # [19:39] <Ms2ger> http://www.w3c-test.org/html/tests/submission/PhilipTaylor/canvas/
  530. # [19:40] <Hixie> ah k thanks
  531. # [19:40] <Hixie> Philip`: could be good to update your copy with a link to the more canonical copy :-)
  532. # [19:40] <Hixie> not that i've done that with any of my css tests
  533. # [19:40] <Hixie> but you know
  534. # [19:40] <Ms2ger> I've been telling him
  535. # [19:40] <Ms2ger> Also that he needs to fix all the bugs :)
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  537. # [19:46] <Hixie> annevk: http://html5.org/tools/web-apps-tracker?from=7277&to=7278 ?
  538. # [19:46] <Ms2ger> Looks empty
  539. # [19:46] <Hixie> zcorpan: Re the bug #s, I still include them if doing so is easy. I'm more likely to omit them if e.g. I've already left the bug and moved on to other things by the time I get around to committing.
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  541. # [19:47] <Hixie> zcorpan: (I used to have to go out of my way to get the bug #s before because the Process required that I describe the change in the bug and the diff was the easiest way to do that)
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  543. # [19:47] <Hixie> zcorpan: (and so I just had my script post the diff to the bug)
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  549. # [20:01] * Philip` is aware that he needs to do many things :-(
  550. # [20:01] <Hixie> join the club
  551. # [20:05] <Philip`> The difference is that you do at least some of many things, whereas I tend to do nothing
  552. # [20:05] <Hixie> surely you do _some_thing
  553. # [20:06] * Parts: filipe (filipe@nat/indt/x-svyuczadewiahjwp) ("Saindo")
  554. # [20:06] <Philip`> None of the HTML-related things, at least
  555. # [20:06] <Hixie> ah, well, there you go
  556. # [20:06] <Hixie> i don't do the non-html-related things :-)
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  563. # [20:24] * jgraham wonders what Philip` does do
  564. # [20:25] <Ms2ger> Gazing at the skies, I assume
  565. # [20:25] <Hixie> i added a confirm() prompt to the "bug" link on the live dom viewer, hopefully that will be enough
  566. # [20:25] <Hixie> (there were 4-6 bogus bugs filed over the weekend)
  567. # [20:25] <Ms2ger> I'm glad I opted out of the cc, then :)
  568. # [20:25] <jgraham> Maybe http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/whatwg/20090318#l-47 is still accurate
  569. # [20:27] <Hixie> if it gets too bad i'll just make the link redirect to a prefilled bug submission page
  570. # [20:28] <Hixie> that way you have to have an account
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  573. # [20:36] <Philip`> jgraham: Nowadays, mostly a job
  574. # [20:37] * Philip` doesn't think he's played TF2 for at least a year, except for this afternoon
  575. # [20:39] <Hixie> anyone got any Content-Language tests?
  576. # [20:39] <Hixie> <meta> pragma Content-Language
  577. # [20:39] <Hixie> nevermind, i found mine
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  580. # [20:42] <Ms2ger> Maybe Julian has some
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  596. # [21:20] <bencc> are there plans to add CORS to web workers?
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  598. # [21:22] <Hixie> bencc: to do what?
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  601. # [21:23] <bencc> Hixie: to load a worker url from a different domain
  602. # [21:23] <Hixie> CORS wouldn't be a sane way to do that
  603. # [21:24] <Hixie> there's two possible use cases that i see here:
  604. # [21:24] <Hixie> 1) running a same-origin worker loading script from a remote oritin
  605. # [21:24] <bencc> new Worker(someOtherUrl)
  606. # [21:24] <Hixie> 2) running a worker on another origin
  607. # [21:24] <Hixie> 1) is possible today using importScripts() or whatever the method is called
  608. # [21:24] <bencc> I think I'm talking about 2)
  609. # [21:24] <Hixie> yeah, i plan to spec 2) in due course
  610. # [21:25] <Hixie> (it wouldn't use CORS)
  611. # [21:25] <bencc> I don't really need CORS just to use a worker from a different domain
  612. # [21:25] <bencc> can I use an inline worker with importScritpts?
  613. # [21:26] <Hixie> inline?
  614. # [21:26] <bencc> I'm trying to use https://raw.github.com/mozilla/pdf.js/gh-pages/build/pdf.js
  615. # [21:27] <bencc> the script loads a worker which uses the same script
  616. # [21:27] <Hixie> scripts can import scripts cross-origin iirc, yes
  617. # [21:27] <bencc> but it doesn't work if the pdf.js script is hosted on a different domain
  618. # [21:27] <Hixie> just like <script>
  619. # [21:27] <Hixie> it's just new Worker() that can't
  620. # [21:27] <Hixie> because new Worker() is intended to run the scipts in their origin, and i haven't specced how that'll work yet (it's a security thing)
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  622. # [21:28] <bencc> what's the difference between new Worker(different domain)
  623. # [21:28] <bencc> and import a script inside the worker?
  624. # [21:28] <bencc> why the former is a security issue?
  625. # [21:29] <Hixie> the current difference is that hte former doesn't do anything and the latter imports the script
  626. # [21:30] <bencc> I mean, why is the former a security issue?
  627. # [21:30] <Hixie> the future difference will be that the former runs the script in the security context of the remote origin, and it's a security thing because we need to ensure the script opts in to running stuff in its origin, because otherwise you could do all kinds of crazy stuff
  628. # [21:31] <Hixie> it'll probably involve an HTTP header similar to CORS (but not CORS, because CORS would also let you read the data, which is a different thing altogether)
  629. # [21:31] <bencc> so to make pdf.js work, I just need to create a worker that all it does is importScripts('path/to/pdf.js') ?
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  631. # [21:32] <Hixie> yeah. you can even create a worker with the URL "data:text/javascript,importScripts('path/to/pdf.js')"
  632. # [21:32] <Hixie> per spec, anyway
  633. # [21:32] <Hixie> dunno how many browsers support that yet
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  635. # [21:33] <bencc> I'll check that. thanks
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  642. # [21:42] <ojan> Hixie: http://html5.org/tools/web-apps-tracker?from=7277&to=7278 how did you come to the conclusion that this is quirks only in webkit?
  643. # [21:43] <ojan> Hixie: what i see in local testing is that we always report the computed style as content-box, but we treat it as border-box, quirks or standards
  644. # [21:43] <Hixie> testing? :-)
  645. # [21:43] <Hixie> let me find the tests again
  646. # [21:43] <bencc> Hixie: looks good
  647. # [21:43] <ojan> Hixie: thx, just want to make sure there's nothing i'm missing before i start filing webkit bugs
  648. # [21:43] <bencc> Hixie: I'm able to use bb = new BlobBuilder();
  649. # [21:43] <bencc> bb.append("importScripts('/path/to/file')")
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  651. # [21:44] <bencc> Hixie: is there a difference between: new Blob(["..."]) and using BlobBuilder ?
  652. # [21:45] <Hixie> i know nothing of blobs
  653. # [21:45] <Ms2ger> bencc, no
  654. # [21:45] <Ms2ger> bencc, except that I'm about to remove BlobBuilder support from Gecko
  655. # [21:46] <bencc> Ms2ger: new Blob() has prefix on some browsers?
  656. # [21:46] <Ms2ger> No
  657. # [21:47] <bencc> cool
  658. # [21:47] <Hixie> ojan: http://software.hixie.ch/utilities/js/live-dom-viewer/?saved=1621 http://software.hixie.ch/utilities/js/live-dom-viewer/?saved=1622
  659. # [21:47] <Ms2ger> Hixie, did you file a bug for the tests? :):
  660. # [21:47] <Hixie> ojan: oh, i misintepreted the testcase
  661. # [21:48] <bencc> Ms2ger: is there a safe way to check if Blob can be used?
  662. # [21:48] <Hixie> ojan: the bug is that webkit applies it to display:table in quirks mode
  663. # [21:48] <Hixie> Ms2ger: which?
  664. # [21:48] <Ms2ger> "Those"
  665. # [21:48] <Hixie> Ms2ger: content-language or box-sizing-on-table?
  666. # [21:48] <Ms2ger> What's content-language, and should I care? :)
  667. # [21:49] <Hixie> content-language is the tests i was just dealing with and i just checked in a diff that mentions them, so i thought that might be what you were referring to :-)
  668. # [21:49] <Hixie> i haven
  669. # [21:49] <Hixie> 't filed any
  670. # [21:49] <Hixie> bugs on testcases
  671. # [21:49] <Hixie> be my guest :-)
  672. # [21:49] <ojan> Hixie: the difference i see between webkit and gecko is only in the second case of a table that is display:block
  673. # [21:50] <Hixie> ojan: oh dude, i'm just not paying enough attention with this test
  674. # [21:50] <ojan> Hixie: lol
  675. # [21:50] <ojan> Hixie: the gecko behavior seems wrong to me...
  676. # [21:50] <Ms2ger> Clearly Gecko must be right ;)
  677. # [21:51] <ojan> Hixie: as in...if we can get away with it, a display:block table should default to content-box
  678. # [21:51] <Ms2ger> Ugh
  679. # [21:51] <ojan> Hixie: where webkit only border-boxes display:block tables in quirks mode
  680. # [21:51] <Hixie> ojan: in webkit, the two tests differ in quirks vs non-quirks
  681. # [21:51] <ojan> i don't feel strongly about this
  682. # [21:51] <ojan> i suppose making all tables border-box is simpler to spec
  683. # [21:51] <Hixie> ojan: mozilla doesn't differ in quirks vs non-quirks
  684. # [21:52] <ojan> i'll file a bug to make webkit do that
  685. # [21:52] <Ms2ger> Making it depend on the display seems sucky
  686. # [21:52] <Hixie> ojan: and no quirkiness is a win
  687. # [21:52] <ojan> yeah
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  689. # [21:52] <Hixie> ojan: it should just be a line in the CSS style sheet
  690. # [21:52] <ojan> i agree with both of you :)
  691. # [21:52] <Hixie> ojan: i don't understand what webkit is doing, looks like it has both the line in the style sheet and some extra crazy for <table>'s renderer
  692. # [21:52] <ojan> it's lame that webkit does this with under the hood magic instead of just changing the computed style
  693. # [21:53] <ojan> Hixie: i don't think there's a line in the style sheet
  694. # [21:53] <Hixie> why does it affect display:block table then?
  695. # [21:53] <Hixie> (but only in quirks mode)
  696. # [21:53] <Ms2ger> The HTML5 editors sure seem to spend a lot of time triaging
  697. # [21:53] <ojan> Hixie: def no line in the style sheet...
  698. # [21:53] <Hixie> Ms2ger: ?
  699. # [21:53] <ojan> Hixie: meh, we're probably going down the table code by tagname somewhwere or something dumb
  700. # [21:54] <Ms2ger> Hixie, not you, the irrelevant ones ;)
  701. # [21:54] <Hixie> Ms2ger: over the weekend?
  702. # [21:54] * ojan is now known as ojan_lunch
  703. # [21:54] <Hixie> Ms2ger: i'm not an html5 editor, i was just surprised to hear they'd done anything, when i checked in this morning it was unchanged since the 23rd
  704. # [21:54] <Hixie> and i haven't seen any bug spam or public-html postage since
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  706. # [21:55] <Hixie> in fact as far as i can tell, the new editors don't post to public-html even as much as i did
  707. # [21:55] <Hixie> in fact i'm pretty sure some of them have _never_ posted
  708. # [21:56] <Ms2ger> Seems like they like to add keywords and stuff
  709. # [21:56] * Ms2ger has been blissfully ignorant of them
  710. # [21:56] <Hixie> oh i don't get keyword bugmail
  711. # [21:56] <Hixie> :-)
  712. # [21:56] <Hixie> i turned that off after the a11y people started drizzling keywords everywhere
  713. # [21:57] <Ms2ger> Summary: "Fix typo", keywords: "a11y-foo a11y-bar"
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  718. # [22:00] <Hixie> oh, i am getting the bugmail, my deletion script just hasn't noticed yet
  719. # [22:00] <Hixie> (not for keywords but for the changes where one of them was closing bugs on the principle that they didn't apply even though they did...)
  720. # [22:00] <Hixie> (you'd think the editors would know what sections they had in their spec)
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  743. # [22:52] <ojan> Hixie: i expect your aware of this, but http://html5.org/r/7278 doesn't seem to have the actual diff
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  746. # [22:57] <TabAtkins> Hixie: I forget - did we discuss an addition to srcset for providing an intrinsic size for different "art-direction" choices?
  747. # [22:57] <ojan> Hixie: if you care https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=95123 file the table box-sizing bug
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  757. # [23:17] <annevk> Hixie: dunno why it's empty
  758. # [23:17] <annevk> Hixie: the rest seems to work
  759. # [23:17] <annevk> Hixie: is it non-empty if you diff it yourself?
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  766. # [23:35] <GPH-Zeke> annevk, Hixie, ojan: 7279 is also empty.
  767. # [23:35] <annevk> hmm okay
  768. # [23:35] <GPH-Zeke> (two in a row)
  769. # [23:35] <annevk> so maybe we're running out of space again
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  771. # [23:36] <annevk> please someone remind me tomorrow
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  773. # [23:36] <GPHemsley> I assumed there was some part of the spec that wasn't covered by the diff site, but what do I know? :)
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  775. # [23:39] <annevk> well that's true too
  776. # [23:40] <annevk> but the rendering section is part of source
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  783. # [23:49] <Hixie> TabAtkins: we discussed it in person, but not on the list (and nobody else has brought it up as far as i am aware)
  784. # [23:49] <Hixie> ojan: thanks
  785. # [23:49] <Hixie> GPHemsley: there are cases like that, but they don't get listed on the tracker page at all because the tracker page only looks at source's logs, iirc
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  787. # [23:51] <TabAtkins> Okay, I was just wondering about it, since we can ignore the issue if we adopt CAS. ^_^
  788. # [23:53] <Hixie> CAS?
  789. # [23:53] <Hixie> oh the attribte sheets
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  791. # [23:58] <GPHemsley> ah, ok
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