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  52. # [01:31] <Hixie> annevk: ping https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=22714
  53. # [01:32] <annevk> Hixie: just came up here
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  55. # [01:32] <heycam> Hixie, I'll look at https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=22346 this morning
  56. # [01:32] <Hixie> heycam: thanks
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  58. # [01:35] <annevk> Hixie: I think the general thing is there's no disctinction between a Date and DOMTimeStamp other than Date being more heavyweight
  59. # [01:35] <Hixie> makes sense since DOMTimeStamp was originally defined as a typedef for Date
  60. # [01:35] <Hixie> does that mean the bug is invalid?
  61. # [01:35] <annevk> What it means is that we shouldn't use Date probably
  62. # [01:36] <Hixie> ? why?
  63. # [01:36] <annevk> Especially since it gives APIs such as obj.startTime != obj.startTime
  64. # [01:36] <annevk> which is just terrible
  65. # [01:36] <Hixie> it's not great, but *shrug*
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  73. # [01:49] <Yuhong> annevk: I am mentioning this because WHATWG DOM suggests that mutation events be eventually removed from browsers completely.
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  75. # [01:51] <Yuhong> And I am not sure if that is possible.
  76. # [01:53] <annevk> Yuhong: It's not like we are not paying attention ;)
  77. # [01:54] <Yuhong> But IE9 and IE10 is a pretty long period.
  78. # [01:55] <Yuhong> It may end soon, but the effects may persist long after that.
  79. # [01:56] <Yuhong> I think I mentioned before when discussing DOM3 Events.
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  86. # [02:01] <Yuhong> What would be involved in adding mutation events back into WHATWG DOM, BTW?
  87. # [02:01] <zewt> ww3
  88. # [02:01] <Yuhong> ww3?
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  191. # [07:24] <gallant> I have 6 paragraphs in a section, they have click event assigned, when I rotate by X axis the section for 360 deg I can't click and select the text from the 2 paragraphs that are on the bottom of the seciton others I can, they should change color on click, butwhen section is rotated 0 deg by X axis I can select text and click all paragrahs why?
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  199. # [07:39] <annevk> heycam: so today we came up with this thing that'll help with with() and event handlers
  200. # [07:39] <annevk> heycam: @@unscopeable
  201. # [07:39] <heycam> annevk, what is the thing that needs helping
  202. # [07:39] <heycam> ?
  203. # [07:40] <annevk> heycam: it's a per-object array of property strings that are not visible when looking on the prototype chain of the object in those contexts
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  205. # [07:40] <annevk> heycam: so e.g. we could have Node.prototype[@@unscopeable]] = ["find", "findAll"]
  206. # [07:40] <annevk> -]
  207. # [07:41] <heycam> oh is this to help where the event target is in the scope chain?
  208. # [07:41] <heycam> when does that happen again. and where's that specced?
  209. # [07:41] * heycam might be missing some context
  210. # [07:41] <annevk> heycam: yeah, it'll help with that, it was mostly added for Array.prototype.values which got fucked by ext.js because of with()
  211. # [07:42] <heycam> I see
  212. # [07:42] <annevk> heycam: it happens for <div onclick=find()></div> which currently will want to invoke a user-defined function, but when Element.find is there would invoke that, which'll break
  213. # [07:42] <heycam> so what's the plan, to have all new things on Array.prototype be unscopable?
  214. # [07:43] <heycam> ah gotcha
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  216. # [07:43] <annevk> heycam: I guess for now we'd decide on a case-by-case basis, but it's been proposed for that to be the policy
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  218. # [07:44] <heycam> I guess @@unscopable would be handled in the ES spec then
  219. # [07:44] <heycam> since it needs to change how property lookups work
  220. # [07:44] <heycam> an alternative would be to stick a different object in the scope chain, one that forward a limited, fixed set of property lookups to the actual event target
  221. # [07:45] <heycam> I think there's no way of inspecting what the actual object on the scope chain is
  222. # [07:45] <heycam> so it's probably equivalent
  223. # [07:45] <annevk> heycam: yeah, it'll be in JavaScript, but we'll need to be able to define it on a per-object basis
  224. # [07:45] <annevk> heycam: that is, we need to define the array Node.prototype[@@unscopeable] returns
  225. # [07:45] <heycam> ok
  226. # [07:46] <heycam> I think it'd be preferable to have a fixed set of names there, and then to never add any more
  227. # [07:46] <heycam> seems better than waiting for new APIs to break things :)
  228. # [07:46] <annevk> heycam: also, do you think we can change what HTMLElement.prototype instanceof Node returns?
  229. # [07:46] <heycam> oh and actually I mean the inverse of @@unscopeable
  230. # [07:46] <annevk> heycam: according to Allan what we do now is not ES6-style
  231. # [07:47] <heycam> so a fixed set of names that do go through to the event target
  232. # [07:47] <heycam> annevk, yes that is not my list of things to do
  233. # [07:47] <heycam> I think Gecko already switched to doing it too
  234. # [07:47] <heycam> (i.e. make that return true, is that right?)
  235. # [07:47] <heycam> oh
  236. # [07:47] <heycam> am I thinking of the right thing?
  237. # [07:47] <annevk> heycam: it returns true right now, but it's not clear whether that's good
  238. # [07:48] <annevk> heycam: although bz made a claim about web compat...
  239. # [07:48] <heycam> yeah I remember seeing that thread about it needing to
  240. # [07:48] <annevk> heycam: it's not good at least for appendChild(), as that fails
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  242. # [07:48] <heycam> and most things, really
  243. # [07:48] <annevk> heycam: re whitelist, whitelist does not work if you assume user extensions to prototype
  244. # [07:49] <heycam> annevk, ah, yes
  245. # [07:49] <heycam> annevk, whitelist of things that came from the IDL? dunno
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  247. # [07:49] <annevk> heycam: say I add HTMLCanvasElement.prototype.clear = function() { ... } and then <canvas onmouseout=clear>
  248. # [07:50] <heycam> mmm
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  251. # [07:51] <heycam> I wonder if you could have an object on the scope chain that forwarded to window first, then to the event target
  252. # [07:52] <heycam> .name probably ruins that idea tho
  253. # [07:53] <heycam> annevk, so maybe @@unscopeable is the simplest thing to do. esp if the ES spec will add it. can you file a bug to have an [Unscopeable] or something we can stick on interface members?
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  255. # [07:54] <annevk> heycam: yeah will do once I need it
  256. # [07:54] <heycam> annevk, thanks
  257. # [07:54] <annevk> heycam: we should prolly start thinking about making our syntax a bit closer to ES syntax
  258. # [07:55] <annevk> heycam: I guess it kinda depends on whether JSIDL happens, but I've the feeling nobody really has time for that
  259. # [07:55] <heycam> annevk, yeah, I want to think about that, but probably not until I get through this backlog of open issues
  260. # [07:55] <annevk> fair enough
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  268. # [08:01] <annevk> Yuhong: I guess you read the logs... Adding mutation events would be a world of hurt, but it basically comes down to the same things we go through for each ancient feature. Figure out what browsers do and define it. Ideally the least problematic variant. I'm still hopeful we don't have to. A couple of IE versions doesn't seem like a big deal.
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  421. # [13:56] <gsnedder1> So can a template element have a child in the normal DOM tree?
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  431. # [14:18] <MikeSmith> gsnedders: as far as I understand it, No, it can't
  432. # [14:22] <gsnedders> Thus why the tests in html5lib merely put subtree as its children. Okay.
  433. # [14:22] <gsnedders> This makes me wonder if the infoset coercion should just move them to being children.
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  436. # [14:27] <SimonSapin> gsnedders: is namespaceHTMLElements documented? I learned about it by reading the source
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  438. # [14:28] <gsnedders> SimonSapin: Probably not. The documentation is diabolical.
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  471. # [15:35] <Domenic_> does anyone understand what's being referred to at https://twitter.com/annevk/status/359916359980822528? Event handlers picking up property names from nodes? I'm confused.
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  475. # [15:39] <SimonSapin> Domenic_: I don’t know, but http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/whatwg/20130724#l-212 seems related
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  477. # [15:40] <Domenic_> SimonSapin: oh woah yeah I think that explains it. Didn't know about behavior; how bizarre.
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  516. # [17:07] <annevk> Hixie: just posted to es-discuss about letting the host decide what this is bound to in the global environment
  517. # [17:08] <annevk> Hixie: is there anything besides that and document.all for which we've conflicts with ES?
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  534. # [17:41] <annevk> Hixie: http://esdiscuss.org/topic/let-this-object-of-global-environment-be-specified-by-host
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  549. # [17:57] <ondras> Hixie: ?
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  601. # [19:26] <Hixie> heycam|away: ping https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=22346
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  608. # [19:43] <Hixie> any idea what bugs 22778 to 22781 are about? https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=22781
  609. # [19:44] <ondras> Hixie: may I have one more events-related question?
  610. # [19:44] <Hixie> you can have any questions you like
  611. # [19:44] <Hixie> answers, i can't promise
  612. # [19:44] <ondras> cool :)
  613. # [19:44] <ondras> Hixie: well, it is the case of removing an event listener during (another) listener
  614. # [19:45] <ondras> both on same object/element
  615. # [19:45] <ondras> and the same phase
  616. # [19:45] <ondras> the spec says that a list of listeners is copied prior to execution
  617. # [19:45] <ondras> so I conclude that the removed listener shall be executed as well?
  618. # [19:46] <Hixie> seems reasonable to conclude that based on what you've described
  619. # [19:46] <ondras> well, major impls think otherwise
  620. # [19:46] <ondras> let me put together a testing fiddle
  621. # [19:47] <ondras> IE9 being an exception that follows my interpretation
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  625. # [19:50] <ondras> Hixie: http://jsfiddle.net/ondras/fD9qq/
  626. # [19:50] <ondras> Hixie: do you think this is a correct demonstration?
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  628. # [19:50] <ondras> annevk: ^ can you please confirm as well?
  629. # [19:52] <Hixie> seems right to me
  630. # [19:52] <ondras> Hixie: I am asking prior to submitting ff/chrome bugs, to evade looking like an idiot afterwards :)
  631. # [19:53] <annevk> ondras: looks correct to me
  632. # [19:53] <ondras> annevk: so the behavior of ff does not match the spec?
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  634. # [19:54] <annevk> yeah, I seem to remember testing this and the spec matching Firefox
  635. # [19:55] <ondras> *matching* ?
  636. # [19:55] <annevk> yes
  637. # [19:55] <annevk> your test surprises me
  638. # [19:56] <ondras> chrome (blink) + opera (non-blink) does the same
  639. # [19:56] <ondras> ie9 alerts
  640. # [19:56] <ondras> ie10 no idea, not available for me atm
  641. # [19:58] <annevk> http://www.w3.org/TR/DOM-Level-3-Events/#event-flow says the same. "Once determined, the candidate event listeners must not be changed; adding or removing listeners does not affect the current target's candidate event listeners."
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  646. # [20:07] <ondras> annevk: fine, will submit ff bug tomorrow
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  649. # [20:18] <annevk> ondras: thanks, please cc me and ":smaug"
  650. # [20:21] <Ms2ger> And me
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  653. # [20:28] <ondras> okay
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  675. # [21:34] <Domenic_> haha everyone likes the onerror change https://twitter.com/pmuellr/status/360117846212231168
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  679. # [21:36] <GPHemsley> Hey guys! Someone wants to book our band(s) on a tour!
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  699. # [22:06] <Hixie> Domenic_: everyone except the implementors, so far :-P
  700. # [22:07] <Domenic_> Hixie: bah, who needs 'em
  701. # [22:07] <Hixie> yeah, i sometimes think that's the attitude of people who think the spec is magical and will somehow force the browsers to follow...
  702. # [22:08] <Domenic_> if only that were the case...
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  705. # [22:13] <Krinkle> (and RL auto-minified it when loaded, but the page stays cool)
  706. # [22:13] <Krinkle> (wrong chan)
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  729. # [22:45] <jgraham> The mailing list threads involving James Greene really upset me.
  730. # [22:45] <jgraham> I keep thinking "I didn't say that"
  731. # [22:45] <jgraham> Only to realise that it is in fact a totally different person
  732. # [22:45] <jgraham> Who doesn't even have the same name as me
  733. # [22:45] <annevk> jgraham: pointer?
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  737. # [22:46] <jgraham> annevk: The onerror thread. But the upset is only because James Gr.* seems to match my internal filters for my own name
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  739. # [22:47] <jgraham> At least when scanning
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  748. # [22:56] <Domenic_> where is the thread, i couldn't find it
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