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  184. # [17:29] * DanC changes topic to 'HTML WG weekly 15 May 16:00UTC http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/agenda (logs: http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/ ) '
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  195. # [17:41] <DanC> I have a vague memory where Hixie considered a bunch of @noalt-like solutions and argued against them. I don't see it in the 10 Apr message. http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2008Apr/0220.html
  196. # [17:41] <DanC> anybody else remember what I'm looking for?
  197. # [17:42] * oedipus not off-hand, but for the last 2 or 3 days, zakim has been very wonky and won't identify a meeting correctly unless someone is on the bridge when zakim is invoked
  198. # [17:43] * oedipus that is advice from systeam
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  200. # [17:43] <Philip> DanC: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2008Apr/0269.html
  201. # [17:43] <Philip> and http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2008Apr/0449.html
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  203. # [17:43] <Philip> are pointed to by http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2008Apr/0531.html
  204. # [17:44] <Philip> so maybe one of those is approximately the right thing
  205. # [17:46] <DanC> yes, those are the ones. thanks
  206. # [17:48] * Philip thanks Gmail search
  207. # [17:48] <DanC> how did you phrase the question to Gmail search?
  208. # [17:49] <Philip> I searched for 'hixie noalt'
  209. # [17:50] <DanC> ok. pretty obvious.
  210. # [17:50] <Philip> which came up with http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2008Apr/0531.html as the first result
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  212. # [17:50] <Philip> I would have given up if it was any more complex than that :-)
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  221. # [17:59] <DanC> Zakim, this will be html
  222. # [17:59] <Zakim> ok, DanC; I see HTML_WG()12:00PM scheduled to start in 4 minutes
  223. # [17:59] <DanC> Zakim seems to have gotten its marbles back, oedipus
  224. # [17:59] * oedipus that's more than i can say for myself...
  225. # [18:01] <Zakim> HTML_WG()12:00PM has now started
  226. # [18:01] <Zakim> + +49.251.280.aaaa
  227. # [18:01] <Julian> Zakim, +49251 is me
  228. # [18:01] <Zakim> +Julian; got it
  229. # [18:01] * DanC Zakim, call DanC-work
  230. # [18:01] * Zakim ok, DanC; the call is being made
  231. # [18:01] <Zakim> +DanC
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  233. # [18:02] * DanC ok
  234. # [18:02] <Zakim> +Gregory_Rosmaita
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  238. # [18:03] <DanC> agenda + Convene HTML WG teleconference of 2008-05-15T16:00:00Z
  239. # [18:03] * Zakim notes agendum 1 added
  240. # [18:03] <DanC> next item
  241. # [18:03] * Zakim thinks agendum 1. "Convene HTML WG teleconference of 2008-05-15T16:00:00Z" taken up [from DanC]
  242. # [18:03] <DanC> Zakim, take up item 1
  243. # [18:03] <Zakim> agendum 1. "Convene HTML WG teleconference of 2008-05-15T16:00:00Z" taken up [from DanC]
  244. # [18:04] <shepazu> zakim, call doug-work
  245. # [18:04] <Zakim> ok, shepazu; the call is being made
  246. # [18:04] <Zakim> +Doug
  247. # [18:04] <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
  248. # [18:04] <DanC> taking a look at http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/agenda ...
  249. # [18:04] <ChrisWilson> zakim, Microsoft is me
  250. # [18:04] <Zakim> +ChrisWilson; got it
  251. # [18:04] <ChrisWilson> zakim, who is here?
  252. # [18:04] <Zakim> On the phone I see Julian, DanC, Gregory_Rosmaita, Doug, ChrisWilson
  253. # [18:04] <Zakim> On IRC I see ChrisWilson, Laura, Lachy, Zakim, RRSAgent, deane, smedero, billmason, mjs, oedipus, tH, samaxes, aaronlev, anne, Julian, Philip, myakura, ROBOd, zcorpan, MikeSmith,
  254. # [18:04] <Zakim> ... Yudai, marcos, Dashiva, jmb, jgraham, heycam, fearphage, trackbot-ng, shepazu, jane, DanC, gsnedders, beowulf, drry, deltab, gavin, hsivonen, xover, Hixie, krijnh, Shunsuke,
  255. # [18:04] <Zakim> ... gavin_, jeremy
  256. # [18:05] <DanC> agenda + ISSUE-24 commonality (action-55)
  257. # [18:05] * Zakim notes agendum 2 added
  258. # [18:05] <Zakim> +??P6
  259. # [18:05] <Lachy> Zakim, passcode?
  260. # [18:05] <Zakim> the conference code is 4865 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), Lachy
  261. # [18:05] <Zakim> +??P7
  262. # [18:05] <MikeSmith> Zakim, ??P7 is me
  263. # [18:05] <Zakim> +MikeSmith; got it
  264. # [18:05] <DanC> Zakim, ??P6 is Josh
  265. # [18:06] <Zakim> +Josh; got it
  266. # [18:06] <DanC> agenda + ISSUE-31 missing alt (action-54)
  267. # [18:06] * Zakim notes agendum 3 added
  268. # [18:06] <Zakim> + +1.218.340.aabb
  269. # [18:06] <DanC> agenda + ISSUE-27 rel-ownership (action-27)
  270. # [18:06] * Zakim notes agendum 4 added
  271. # [18:06] <Zakim> +??P9
  272. # [18:06] <oedipus> zakim, aabb is Laura_Carlson
  273. # [18:06] <Zakim> +Laura_Carlson; got it
  274. # [18:07] <DanC> Zakim, ??P9 is Lachy
  275. # [18:07] <Zakim> +Lachy; got it
  276. # [18:07] <DanC> agenda + authoring guide (action-34)
  277. # [18:07] * Zakim notes agendum 5 added
  278. # [18:07] <DanC> agenda + teleconference schedule: just one time?
  279. # [18:07] * Zakim notes agendum 6 added
  280. # [18:08] <anne> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/html5/diff/#changelog
  281. # [18:08] <anne> (it's quite rough, I'll happily add anything people think should be there)
  282. # [18:08] <DanC> agenda + update on overdue actions (34, 57, 58, 59, 60)
  283. # [18:08] * Zakim notes agendum 7 added
  284. # [18:08] <DanC> agenda + next publication
  285. # [18:08] * Zakim notes agendum 8 added
  286. # [18:08] <anne> I used http://html5.org/tools/web-apps-tracker?limit=460 to get the changes
  287. # [18:09] <DanC> agenda 8 = next publication (action-60)
  288. # [18:09] * Zakim notes agendum 8 replaced
  289. # [18:09] * DanC thinks w3.org/project/irc is an easier link to give, but oh well
  290. # [18:10] <DanC> agenda + forms (action-56)
  291. # [18:10] * Zakim notes agendum 9 added
  292. # [18:10] <Philip> (anne, s/formet/format/)
  293. # [18:10] <Lachy> http://cgi.w3.org/member-bin/irc/irc.cgi for anyone who missed that
  294. # [18:10] * jmb anne, s/formet/format/ (7th item)
  295. # [18:10] * anne wonders what DanC means?
  296. # [18:10] <DanC> agenda + any takers on raised issues?
  297. # [18:10] * Zakim notes agendum 10 added
  298. # [18:10] <DanC> Zakim, agenda?
  299. # [18:10] <Zakim> I see 10 items remaining on the agenda:
  300. # [18:10] <Zakim> 1. Convene HTML WG teleconference of 2008-05-15T16:00:00Z [from DanC]
  301. # [18:10] <Zakim> 2. ISSUE-24 commonality (action-55) [from DanC]
  302. # [18:10] <Zakim> 3. ISSUE-31 missing alt (action-54) [from DanC]
  303. # [18:10] <Zakim> 4. ISSUE-27 rel-ownership (action-27) [from DanC]
  304. # [18:10] <Zakim> 5. authoring guide (action-34) [from DanC]
  305. # [18:10] <Zakim> 6. teleconference schedule: just one time? [from DanC]
  306. # [18:10] <Zakim> 7. update on overdue actions (34, 57, 58, 59, 60) [from DanC]
  307. # [18:10] <Zakim> 8. next publication (action-60)
  308. # [18:10] <Zakim> 9. forms (action-56) [from DanC]
  309. # [18:10] <Zakim> 10. any takers on raised issues? [from DanC]
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  311. # [18:11] <DanC> Zakim, who's on the phone?
  312. # [18:11] <Zakim> On the phone I see Julian, DanC, Gregory_Rosmaita, Doug, ChrisWilson, Josh, MikeSmith, Laura_Carlson, Lachy
  313. # [18:11] <oedipus> no agenda addenda
  314. # [18:11] <MikeSmith> Zakim, who's noisy?
  315. # [18:12] <Zakim> MikeSmith, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Julian (20%), Josh (38%), Laura_Carlson (15%), Lachy (66%), DanC (58%)
  316. # [18:12] <MikeSmith> Zakim, mute Lachy
  317. # [18:12] <Zakim> Lachy should now be muted
  318. # [18:12] <DanC> Zakim, close this item
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  320. # [18:12] <Zakim> agendum 1 closed
  321. # [18:12] <Zakim> I see 9 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
  322. # [18:12] <Zakim> 2. ISSUE-24 commonality (action-55) [from DanC]
  323. # [18:12] <DanC> Zakim, take up item 6
  324. # [18:12] <Zakim> agendum 6. "teleconference schedule: just one time?" taken up [from DanC]
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  328. # [18:13] <anne> Zakim, passcode?
  329. # [18:13] <Zakim> the conference code is 4865 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), anne
  330. # [18:13] <Zakim> +??P1
  331. # [18:13] <anne> Zakim, ? is me
  332. # [18:13] <Zakim> +anne; got it
  333. # [18:13] <DanC> OK, just one time, 1p Boston (1600 Z for now)
  334. # [18:13] <anne> Zakim, who is here?
  335. # [18:13] <Zakim> On the phone I see Julian, DanC, Gregory_Rosmaita, Doug, ChrisWilson, Josh, MikeSmith, Laura_Carlson, Lachy (muted), anne
  336. # [18:13] <Zakim> On IRC I see mjs, Josh, ChrisWilson, Laura, Lachy, Zakim, RRSAgent, deane, smedero, billmason, oedipus, tH, samaxes, aaronlev, anne, Julian, Philip, myakura, ROBOd, zcorpan,
  337. # [18:13] <Zakim> ... MikeSmith, Yudai, marcos, Dashiva, jmb, jgraham, heycam, fearphage, trackbot-ng, shepazu, jane, DanC, gsnedders, beowulf, drry, deltab, gavin, hsivonen, xover, Hixie, krijnh,
  338. # [18:13] <Zakim> ... Shunsuke, gavin_, jeremy
  339. # [18:13] * Lachy wonders why I was noisy. My mic was muted.
  340. # [18:13] <DanC> ACTION: Dan update teleconference schedule to just one time
  341. # [18:13] * trackbot-ng noticed an ACTION. Trying to create it.
  342. # [18:13] * RRSAgent records action 1
  343. # [18:13] <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-64 - Update teleconference schedule to just one time [on Dan Connolly - due 2008-05-22].
  344. # [18:13] * anne enough Zakim!
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  346. # [18:13] <DanC> Zakim, close this item
  347. # [18:13] <Zakim> agendum 6 closed
  348. # [18:13] <Zakim> I see 8 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
  349. # [18:13] <Zakim> 2. ISSUE-24 commonality (action-55) [from DanC]
  350. # [18:14] <DanC> Zakim, next item
  351. # [18:14] <Zakim> agendum 2. "ISSUE-24 commonality (action-55)" taken up [from DanC]
  352. # [18:14] <MikeSmith> Zakim, unmute Lachy
  353. # [18:14] <Zakim> Lachy should no longer be muted
  354. # [18:14] <DanC> action-155?
  355. # [18:14] * trackbot-ng getting information on ACTION-155
  356. # [18:14] <trackbot-ng> ACTION-155 does not exists
  357. # [18:14] <DanC> action-55?
  358. # [18:14] * trackbot-ng getting information on ACTION-55
  359. # [18:14] <trackbot-ng> ACTION-55 -- Dan Connolly to ask the TAG about tag soup measurement techniques -- due 2008-04-24 -- PENDINGREVIEW
  360. # [18:14] <trackbot-ng> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/55
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  362. # [18:14] <DanC> no reponse to http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2008Apr/0086.html
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  364. # [18:14] <DanC> try some more or drop it?
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  366. # [18:15] * anne could people here me?
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  368. # [18:15] <DanC> close action-55
  369. # [18:15] * trackbot-ng attempting to close ACTION-55.
  370. # [18:15] <trackbot-ng> ACTION-55 Ask the TAG about tag soup measurement techniques closed
  371. # [18:15] * anne hear, damn't
  372. # [18:15] * DanC heard anne ok
  373. # [18:15] <DanC> Zakim, next item
  374. # [18:15] <Zakim> agendum 3. "ISSUE-31 missing alt (action-54)" taken up [from DanC]
  375. # [18:15] * anne k
  376. # [18:15] <DanC> action-54?
  377. # [18:15] * trackbot-ng getting information on ACTION-54
  378. # [18:15] <trackbot-ng> ACTION-54 -- Gregory Rosmaita to work with SteveF draft text for HTML 5 spec to require producers/authors to include @alt on img elements -- due 2008-05-29 -- PENDINGREVIEW
  379. # [18:15] <trackbot-ng> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/54
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  383. # [18:22] <DanC> no bright ideas about how to get past current state of discussion.
  384. # [18:22] <DanC> Zakim, next item
  385. # [18:22] <Zakim> agendum 4. "ISSUE-27 rel-ownership (action-27)" taken up [from DanC]
  386. # [18:23] <Julian> q+
  387. # [18:23] * Zakim sees Julian on the speaker queue
  388. # [18:23] <DanC> ack Julian
  389. # [18:23] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
  390. # [18:23] <DanC> action-27?
  391. # [18:23] * trackbot-ng getting information on ACTION-27
  392. # [18:23] <trackbot-ng> ACTION-27 -- Dan Connolly to draft a Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) with microformats.org regarding @rel values -- due 2008-04-24 -- PENDINGREVIEW
  393. # [18:23] <trackbot-ng> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/27
  394. # [18:24] <DanC> JR: mnot's recent link http header draft suggests an IANA registry
  395. # [18:24] <DanC> DC: same as Atom rel registry or a new one?
  396. # [18:25] <DanC> JR: same one.
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  398. # [18:26] <DanC> close action-27
  399. # [18:26] * trackbot-ng attempting to close ACTION-27.
  400. # [18:26] <trackbot-ng> ACTION-27 Draft a Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) with microformats.org regarding @rel values closed
  401. # [18:26] <DanC> Zakim, next item
  402. # [18:26] <Zakim> agendum 5. "authoring guide (action-34)" taken up [from DanC]
  403. # [18:26] <DanC> action-34?
  404. # [18:26] * trackbot-ng getting information on ACTION-34
  405. # [18:26] <trackbot-ng> ACTION-34 -- Lachlan Hunt to prepare "Web Developer's Guide to HTML5" for publication in some way, as discussed on 2007-11-28 phone conference -- due 2008-04-17 -- OPEN
  406. # [18:26] <trackbot-ng> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/34
  407. # [18:27] <Julian> HTTP WG dikscussion on Link header: around <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/ietf-http-wg/2008AprJun/0243.html>
  408. # [18:27] <DanC> Zakim, next item
  409. # [18:27] <Zakim> agendum 7. "update on overdue actions (34, 57, 58, 59, 60)" taken up [from DanC]
  410. # [18:27] <oedipus> http://esw.w3.org/topic/HTML/Guide/
  411. # [18:27] <DanC> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/agenda
  412. # [18:28] <Julian> ...and the latest draft for the Link header is at <http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-nottingham-http-link-header-01>
  413. # [18:29] <DanC> agenda + offline-applications-sql (action-58)
  414. # [18:29] * Zakim notes agendum 11 added
  415. # [18:30] <DanC> Zakim, take up item 11
  416. # [18:30] <Zakim> agendum 11. "offline-applications-sql (action-58)" taken up [from DanC]
  417. # [18:30] <Julian> ...still related to Link header and registry: the draft suggests *both* an IANA registry plus URIs as rel values.
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  419. # [18:30] <anne> Zakim, who is making noise?
  420. # [18:30] <Zakim> anne, listening for 13 seconds I heard sound from the following: Julian (11%), Lachy (100%), DanC (11%)
  421. # [18:30] <anne> Zakim, mute Lachy
  422. # [18:30] <Zakim> Lachy should now be muted
  423. # [18:30] <DanC> DC: thoughs on publishing http://dev.w3.org/html5/offline-webapps/ as a /TR/ ?
  424. # [18:31] <DanC> MS: doesn't seem high priority
  425. # [18:31] <DanC> AVK: I did an update, but then a couple people suggested extending the scope...
  426. # [18:32] <DanC> ... make sense, but I'm not sure when I'd get around to it. Maybe I could do a short section on the new features.
  427. # [18:32] <oedipus> abstract for offline web apps: "This document introduces the SQL and offline application caching APIs features from HTML 5 that are intended for offline Web applications."
  428. # [18:33] <DanC> CW: not sure why we'd do this rather than a number of other thing
  429. # [18:33] <oedipus> Introduction: "Users of typical online Web applications are only able to use the applications while they have a connection to the Internet. When they go offline, they can no longer check their e-mail, browse their calendar appointments, or prepare presentations with their online tools. Meanwhile, native applications provide those features: e-mail clients cache folders locally, calendars store their events locally, presentation packages store their data file
  430. # [18:33] <oedipus> "In addition, while offline, users are dependent on their HTTP cache to obtain the application at all, since they cannot contact the server to get the latest copy."
  431. # [18:33] <oedipus> "The HTML 5 specification provides two solutions to this: a SQL-based database API for storing data locally, and an offline application HTTP cache for ensuring applications are available even when the user is not connected to their network."
  432. # [18:34] <DanC> CW: separating the web apps functionality as its own spec makes sense.
  433. # [18:34] <DanC> AVK: I'm not inclined to take on splitting out the functionality
  434. # [18:36] <DanC> AVK: I could mention local storage and [missed], though I'm not sure I could do a tutorial example as I did for the other features
  435. # [18:37] <DanC> CW: "This document introduces the SQL and offline application caching APIs ..." seems a little misleading; looks like a spec.
  436. # [18:37] <DanC> AVK: I see; any suggestions?
  437. # [18:37] <DanC> CW: I'll try to send mail
  438. # [18:37] <ChrisWilson> or IRC by the end of this hour. :)
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  440. # [18:39] <Lachy> do we really need to go through a survey just to publish a note?
  441. # [18:39] <DanC> well, we need a WG decision. so far, WG decisions have been done with surveys, but I could just send mail and say "any objections?"
  442. # [18:40] <Lachy> yeah, that would be easier and less hassle
  443. # [18:40] <DanC> Zakim, next item
  444. # [18:40] <Zakim> agendum 7. "update on overdue actions (34, 57, 58, 59, 60)" taken up [from DanC]
  445. # [18:40] <DanC> Zakim, close item 7
  446. # [18:40] <Zakim> agendum 7, update on overdue actions (34, 57, 58, 59, 60), closed
  447. # [18:40] <Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
  448. # [18:40] <Zakim> 8. next publication (action-60)
  449. # [18:40] <DanC> Zakim, next item
  450. # [18:40] <Zakim> agendum 8. "next publication (action-60)" taken up
  451. # [18:40] <DanC> MS: regarding publications, my priority has been on an edited changelog
  452. # [18:40] <DanC> action-60?
  453. # [18:40] * trackbot-ng getting information on ACTION-60
  454. # [18:40] <trackbot-ng> ACTION-60 -- Michael(tm) Smith to start WG discussion of next publication; consider WBS poll -- due 2008-04-24 -- OPEN
  455. # [18:40] <trackbot-ng> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/60
  456. # [18:41] <DanC> Time for publication? Ian Hickson (Thursday, 8 M http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2008May/0123.html
  457. # [18:41] <DanC> close action-60
  458. # [18:41] * trackbot-ng attempting to close ACTION-60.
  459. # [18:41] <trackbot-ng> ACTION-60 Start WG discussion of next publication; consider WBS poll closed
  460. # [18:42] <DanC> CW: this is re publishing an update of HTML 5... does this interfere with the clock that started in January?
  461. # [18:43] <DanC> DC: I haven't looked into the details
  462. # [18:43] <DanC> looking at http://www.w3.org/2004/01/pp-impl/40318/status ...
  463. # [18:43] <Lachy> could we set up a new publishing process, where we get the group to agree that we publish the spec once every 3 months as a WD, in whatever state it's in. But give people 1-2 weeks notice to raise any major blocking issues that need to be resolved first
  464. # [18:44] <DanC> "Exclude until 20 June 2008"
  465. # [18:44] <Lachy> that would be easier than going through a survey every time.
  466. # [18:44] <Lachy> yeah, but we have that heartbeat requirement to satisfy don't we?
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  468. # [18:45] <oedipus> what is needed more than an update is a copy of the document in W3C space that is divided by sections -- full draft chrashes too many browser and far too often
  469. # [18:46] <DanC> MS: the motivation for the W3C heartbeat requirement is to keep the public/membership informed about our work
  470. # [18:46] <Lachy> oedipus, there is a multipage version of the spec already
  471. # [18:46] <oedipus> at w3c?
  472. # [18:46] <DanC> CW: I'm not sure re-publishing a 3-inch spec is the way to do that
  473. # [18:46] <Lachy> no, but so what? it's an identical copy, except for the irrelevant W3C logo and a few other things about the TOC
  474. # [18:46] <oedipus> can we use the W3C Newsletter to promote the "visibility" of the editor's draft and the changes document
  475. # [18:47] <Lachy> s/about the TOC/above the TOC/
  476. # [18:47] <DanC> MS: I can imagine other ways, but for now I think we should document the changes since 1st WD and publish and then think about other mechanisms
  477. # [18:47] <Josh> Gotta go, bye
  478. # [18:47] <ChrisWilson> Lachy: not sure I understand your identical copy statement
  479. # [18:47] <Zakim> -Josh
  480. # [18:47] <oedipus> lachy, it is best to work off the same resource, and since it is a w3c submission and draft, it should be in w3c space
  481. # [18:47] <Lachy> ChrisWilson, the WHATWG copy of the spec is exactly the same as the W3C version, excluding a few things at the top
  482. # [18:47] <DanC> AVK: seems like the 150 day clock is not affected by a 2nd publication
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  484. # [18:48] <DanC> CW: but it could be confusing
  485. # [18:48] <oedipus> doesn't what wg have a different copyright/patent statement than w3c version?
  486. # [18:48] <Lachy> oedipus, yeah, just consider it as being dual-licenced
  487. # [18:48] <anne> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/html5/diff/#changelog
  488. # [18:49] <DanC> that looks pretty good to me. http://www.w3.org/html/wg/html5/diff/#changelog
  489. # [18:50] <gsnedders> anne: "HTML 5 (editor's draft), I. Hickson, D. Hyatt, editors. W3C, January 2008." — that's wrong
  490. # [18:50] <oedipus> q+
  491. # [18:50] * Zakim sees oedipus on the speaker queue
  492. # [18:51] <DanC> MS: I was working on something with more context; e.g. for somebody who's new to this, "Implementation and authoring details around the ping attribute have changed." doesn't help
  493. # [18:51] <DanC> DC: well, this is just a changelog since the Jan draft
  494. # [18:52] <DanC> CW: this bullet summary helps me tell people to review specific parts
  495. # [18:52] <MikeSmith> http://dev.w3.org/html5/pubnotes/FPWDdiff-colored.html
  496. # [18:52] <DanC> MS: I also have a colored diff
  497. # [18:52] <DanC> GR: "API for the canvas element has been cleaned up. Text support has been added." doesn't have enough detail
  498. # [18:55] <oedipus> maciej, does the colored diff use INS and DEL?
  499. # [18:55] <oedipus> s/maciej/mikeTMsmith
  500. # [18:55] <zcorpan> oedipus: no, <span class>
  501. # [18:56] * DanC is down to 7 minutes to go
  502. # [18:56] <oedipus> the w3c diff generator now supports INS and DEL rather than generic SPAN -- otherwise you NEED an explicity color key
  503. # [18:56] <zcorpan> s/oedipus:/oedipus,/
  504. # [18:56] <DanC> CW: this level of changelog is pretty close to what I'm interested in; it's not critical to me how it gets produced. for more details, there's the diffs and the commit logs
  505. # [18:56] <oedipus> s/explicity/explicit
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  507. # [18:57] <DanC> AVK: yes, this change log is based on commit messages
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  509. # [18:57] <DanC> DC: so... should I start the WG decision process? use WBS? or just email?
  510. # [18:57] <DanC> a couple suggest WBS
  511. # [18:58] <ChrisWilson> Here is the text I would suggest for the Offline note's abstract:
  512. # [18:58] <ChrisWilson> HTML 5 contains several features that address the challenge of building web applications that work while offline. This document highlights these features (local store, SQL and offline application caching APIs as well as online/offline events and status) from HTML 5 and provides brief tutorials on how these features might be used to create web applications that work offline.
  513. # [18:58] <DanC> ACTION: Dan put question on html5 update WD
  514. # [18:58] * trackbot-ng noticed an ACTION. Trying to create it.
  515. # [18:58] * RRSAgent records action 2
  516. # [18:58] <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-65 - Put question on html5 update WD [on Dan Connolly - due 2008-05-22].
  517. # [18:58] <DanC> agenda?
  518. # [18:58] * Zakim sees 3 items remaining on the agenda:
  519. # [18:58] * Zakim 8. next publication (action-60)
  520. # [18:58] * Zakim 9. forms (action-56) [from DanC]
  521. # [18:58] * Zakim 10. any takers on raised issues? [from DanC]
  522. # [18:58] <ChrisWilson> `
  523. # [18:59] <Zakim> -ChrisWilson
  524. # [18:59] <Zakim> -MikeSmith
  525. # [18:59] <oedipus> please use http://www.w3.org/2007/10/htmldiff to generate diffs
  526. # [18:59] <Zakim> -Julian
  527. # [18:59] <Zakim> -Lachy
  528. # [18:59] <Zakim> -Doug
  529. # [18:59] <DanC> ADJOURN.
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  531. # [18:59] <Zakim> -anne
  532. # [18:59] <Zakim> -Gregory_Rosmaita
  533. # [18:59] <Zakim> -Laura_Carlson
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  535. # [19:00] * Lachy wonders what kind of noises people were hearing through my line while I was unmunted?
  536. # [19:00] <DanC> MikeSmith, I'd like the next WD to be/include the multipart one. what are the odds on that?
  537. # [19:00] * oedipus fwiw, i didn't hear the noises
  538. # [19:01] <MikeSmith> DanC: that is something that we'd need to ask Hixie about
  539. # [19:01] * oedipus but then, i have a earplug in both ears
  540. # [19:01] <MikeSmith> I think the best way to do that would be to e-mail him about it and Cc the message to public-html
  541. # [19:01] <MikeSmith> I ca do that if you want
  542. # [19:04] <DanC> hmm... I don't see why bother hixie about it, but please do whatever you think is the best way to get it done
  543. # [19:05] <smedero> I think there's some issues with the script written to handle the multipage version... I'm trying to find the relevant IRC discussion. I vaguely remember Hixie saying that the multipage version @whatwg lagged behind the single page version.
  544. # [19:06] <oedipus> that's the worry about different scripts generating different versions for w3c space and what wg space
  545. # [19:06] <Lachy> smedero, I think the delay is only a few minutes do to processing times
  546. # [19:06] <Lachy> s/do/due/
  547. # [19:06] <smedero> ahhhh, ok. :)
  548. # [19:06] <Lachy> but check with Hixie to be sure
  549. # [19:07] * oedipus has got to recharge his phone for the next telecon...
  550. # [19:07] <smedero> One of the more recent references I can find to the multipage script
  551. # [19:07] <smedero> http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/html-wg/20080417#l-533
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  553. # [19:09] <Lachy> smedero, I think that only relates to how and where it does the splitting. Not content is lost
  554. # [19:10] <smedero> that makes sense.
  555. # [19:10] <anne> e-mailed
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  559. # [19:38] <Zakim> disconnecting the lone participant, DanC, in HTML_WG()12:00PM
  560. # [19:38] <Zakim> HTML_WG()12:00PM has ended
  561. # [19:38] <Zakim> Attendees were +49.251.280.aaaa, Julian, DanC, Gregory_Rosmaita, Doug, ChrisWilson, MikeSmith, Josh, +1.218.340.aabb, Laura_Carlson, Lachy, anne
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  563. # [19:43] <Philip> smedero: The lag is only ten minutes or so
  564. # [19:44] <Philip> (from single-page to multi-page)
  565. # [19:44] <Philip> (except when the multi-page generation process fails and it doesn't update at all)
  566. # [19:44] <Philip> Oh, Lachy said that already
  567. # [19:44] <smedero> thanks for following up though.
  568. # [19:45] <Philip> And that comment was just about splitting at nicer points, so it doesn't end up with lots of tiny pages that have a heading and nothing else
  569. # [19:45] <smedero> I think MikeSmith is looking to generate a multipage version for the next working draft release
  570. # [19:46] <smedero> i vaguely remembered some bits ... was just trying to pull them together in IRC for reference.
  571. # [19:47] <Philip> That seems like it would be quite a sensible thing to release
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