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  1. # Session Start: Thu Mar 25 00:00:00 2010
  2. # Session Ident: #whatwg
  3. # [00:00] <Philip`> You dream about conformance criteria?
  4. # [00:01] <Hixie> don't you?
  5. # [00:01] <TabAtkins_> ...yes?
  6. # [00:01] <TabAtkins_> That's why you're not a spec editor, Philip`
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  8. # [00:05] <jgraham> Philip` never sleeps so he can't dream
  9. # [00:07] <Dashiva> There is an installed base of RDFa-in-HTML that we can't risk destabilizing, how nice
  10. # [00:07] <dbgi> anyone in here who knows freebsd well and enjoys setting up and hosting web sites?
  11. # [00:08] <Hixie> does anyone implemented SharedWorker? I want to test zcorpan's suggested new examples
  12. # [00:10] <annevk> we have but it's not out in public yet I think
  13. # [00:10] <annevk> doesn't Chrome have it too?
  14. # [00:10] <annevk> anyways, bed time; nn
  15. # [00:10] <Hixie> nn
  16. # [00:11] <Dashiva> Sounds like a plan...
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  139. # [01:38] <Hixie> does webidl define how callback return values get converted to idl values?
  140. # [01:38] <Hixie> i can't find it anywhere
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  191. # [03:33] <hober> with 3/31 approaching, I suppose I should work on http://hober.jottit.com/ISSUE-95_Change_Proposal more
  192. # [03:34] <hober> any and all feedback greatly appreciated.
  193. # [03:50] <boblet> hixie: you there?
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  219. # [05:32] <Hixie> er
  220. # [05:33] <Hixie> nevermind, boblet left
  221. # [05:33] <Hixie> sorry borey, you were next on the nick completion list :-)
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  249. # [08:08] <zcorpan> Hixie: was EXAMPLE workers/shared/001/test.html supposed to be replaced in the generated spec?
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  256. # [08:35] <zcorpan> "our html5 involvement goes back years and years and years" - http://ecn.channel9.msdn.com/o9/ch9/8/2/8/8/3/5/ch9livemix10dean_ch9.mp4
  257. # [08:36] <Hixie> zcorpan: was it not replaced? hm
  258. # [08:36] <Hixie> wonder what's going on with wikileaks
  259. # [08:37] <JonathanNeal> Hey zcorpan, Hixie
  260. # [08:37] <Hixie> oh, too many /s for the EXAMPLE
  261. # [08:37] * Hixie fixes
  262. # [08:39] <zcorpan> "will ie9 support canvas?" "everything in ie9 is hardware accelerated!"
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  272. # [09:10] <JonathanNeal> did you guys see the pangram?
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  274. # [09:13] <hsivonen> jgraham, Hixie: I see the textarea resizer on Live DOM now. I guess the resizer appears by default but I was using the wrong build yesterday
  275. # [09:14] <zcorpan> Hixie: the second example seems to be 001/
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  277. # [09:19] <Hixie> i suck
  278. # [09:19] <Hixie> fixing
  279. # [09:19] <Hixie> thanks
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  281. # [09:25] <nessy> it's bad hair day
  282. # [09:28] <JonathanNeal> http://sandbox.thewikies.com/html5-pangram/ and http://sandbox.thewikies.com/html5-pangram/short.html
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  287. # [09:30] <zcorpan> JonathanNeal: you should put some ads on that page
  288. # [09:31] <JonathanNeal> So it can be even uglier?
  289. # [09:31] <JonathanNeal> I'm not done, the short will be how I write an html5 normalize stylesheet
  290. # [09:31] <zcorpan> no, to match expectations; i think you've posted the link about 20 times now :P
  291. # [09:32] <JonathanNeal> It first follows the whatwg's rendering recommendation, followed then by popular vendor styling.
  292. # [09:32] <annevk> JonathanNeal, most people in this channel read the backlog
  293. # [09:32] <JonathanNeal> Note taken.
  294. # [09:32] <JonathanNeal> :)
  295. # [09:33] <JonathanNeal> I didn't even know there was a backlog to be read. I thought the best strategy was to always stir up trouble.
  296. # [09:33] <Hixie> zcorpan: who implements the three-argument postMessage on Window?
  297. # [09:34] <Hixie> zcorpan: if nobody does, or if everyone is willing to change their implementations, i don't mind changing it
  298. # [09:34] <zcorpan> Hixie: opera does (not shipped yet, but is implemented), not sure about the others
  299. # [09:34] <Hixie> zcorpan: the reason postMessage()'s ports argument was added in the middle was to keep it closer to the message argument, where it makes more sense
  300. # [09:34] <Hixie> i.e. having "message, message, target" rather than "message, target, message"
  301. # [09:35] <zcorpan> Hixie: i think the common reaction to having it in the middle is "WTF?"
  302. # [09:35] <Hixie> if everyone is willing to change their implementations, i don't mind changing it
  303. # [09:35] <Hixie> no need to convince me on logical grounds :-)
  304. # [09:36] * zcorpan can only speak for opera
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  308. # [09:41] <Hixie> well if you can find out who else implements it i can go ask them
  309. # [09:42] <annevk> pretty sure WebKit must have it
  310. # [09:42] <zcorpan> Hixie: it seems chrome implements it
  311. # [09:43] <Hixie> k, i'll ask them about it tomorrow
  312. # [09:43] <zcorpan> but not firefox
  313. # [09:44] <Hixie> ooh, new freeman's mind
  314. # [09:44] <Hixie> bbiab!
  315. # [09:51] <Hixie> ok where was i
  316. # [09:51] <zcorpan> you were about to fix all my bugs
  317. # [09:56] <Hixie> oh yes
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  320. # [10:19] <zcorpan> it's weird that people's reaction to "feature x and y seem like they should do what i want, but are buggy in browsers A and B" is "how about introducing feature z?" instead of "how about fixing x and y in A and B?"
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  322. # [10:22] <Hixie> yeah
  323. # [10:22] <Hixie> i see that all the time also
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  326. # [10:28] <Hixie> anyone else having difficulty using the bug filing thing in the spec?
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  329. # [10:35] <Hixie> ok bed time
  330. # [10:35] <Hixie> nn
  331. # [10:39] <zcorpan> Hixie: nn
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  334. # [10:42] <gsnedders> Anyone with IE9 around?
  335. # [10:43] <Philip`> Yes
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  337. # [10:43] <gsnedders> Philip`: http://stuff.gsnedders.com/es/getterparsing.html
  338. # [10:43] <gsnedders> Philip`: What does that give?
  339. # [10:46] <Philip`> FAIL (threwEvalError: Expected ':')
  340. # [10:46] <Philip`> 6 times
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  343. # [10:47] <gsnedders> Huh
  344. # [10:47] <gsnedders> I thought IE supported it...
  345. # [10:48] <lazni> is opera's treatment of page-break-* in @media projection okay in standards?
  346. # [10:49] <virtuelv> lazni: to answer that question, you would have to first explain what it is you think Opera does with it
  347. # [10:49] <annevk> lazni, yes it is
  348. # [10:49] <lazni> it split advancement by pagedown by the pages
  349. # [10:49] <annevk> lazni, projection is paged-based media
  350. # [10:50] <lazni> okay
  351. # [10:50] * lazni is writing a CSS+fragment slideshow
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  370. # [11:25] <hsivonen> sigh. I just had a "Someone is wrong on the Internet" moment about http://robertnyman.com/2010/03/23/what-will-happen-to-open-video-on-the-web/
  371. # [11:26] <hsivonen> (I left a comment)
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  375. # [11:32] <annevk> hmm, from that post (via #fronteers): "My friend spoke to a Mozilla guy at Libre Planet this last weekend who said Mozilla has a “big announcement” regarding video coming this week or next."
  376. # [11:43] <jgraham> Hmm, "my friend said someone said something was going to happen" doesn't exactly sound concrete
  377. # [11:43] <Dashiva> hsivonen: It's disappointing to see people still think using Vorbis has any weight at all on how safe Theora is
  378. # [11:45] <hsivonen> Dashiva: I didn't even read that far carefully before I went into the "Someone is wrong on the Internet" mode.
  379. # [11:47] <zcorpan> Dashiva: leave a comment?
  380. # [11:48] <Dashiva> People will still be wrong
  381. # [11:49] <zcorpan> but you know you get a warm fuzzy feeling when pointing it out
  382. # [11:51] <Philip`> If the Ogg people said Vorbis was perfectly safe and patent-free and encouraged everyone to use it, and then a few years later everybody got sued for infringing patents, then that would cast significant doubt over similar claims about Theora
  383. # [11:51] <Philip`> but everyone uses Vorbis and nobody has been sued yet, so that particular source of doubt has not been cast
  384. # [11:51] <Philip`> so it does seem to have some weight on the safety of Theora
  385. # [11:56] <Dashiva> In the same way having built a shed does give some weight to the guy who wants to build your skyscraper
  386. # [11:59] <Philip`> Sure
  387. # [11:59] <jgraham> For large values of "shed"
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  408. # [14:06] <lazni> is there any CSS way I can make the nav#toc xx-large when there's no fragment id, but small when the fragment id is not "toc" in http://hdh.dyn-o-saur.com/public-domain/doc/sd1/goal-setting.html ?
  409. # [14:10] <Rik`> :target ?
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  411. # [14:20] <lazni> :not(:target) makes it large when another id is in focus too
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  413. # [14:21] <AryehGregor> No, pretty sure there's no way to do that. Use JS.
  414. # [14:26] <hsivonen> aaargh. I've broken validator.nu buildability with javac
  415. # [14:27] <hsivonen> ecj still works
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  422. # [15:00] <zcorpan> hmm, maybe i should look at the entity data
  423. # [15:02] <MikeSmith> hsivonen: how'd you manage to break buildability with javac?
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  425. # [15:06] <zcorpan> Philip`: have you tried http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/whatwg/20100311#l-738 ?
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  428. # [15:09] <Philip`> zcorpan: I think I forgot
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  432. # [15:15] <hsivonen> MikeSmith: I changed NamedCharacters.java to use byte[][] for names
  433. # [15:15] <hsivonen> MikeSmith: ecj optimized the static initializer to under 2^16 bytes
  434. # [15:15] <hsivonen> MikeSmith: javac didn't
  435. # [15:15] <MikeSmith> ah
  436. # [15:16] <hsivonen> so javac failed to produce a legal .class file
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  442. # [15:22] <othermaciej> howdy everyone
  443. # [15:23] <annevk> public-html :/
  444. # [15:23] <annevk> besides that pretty good
  445. # [15:23] <annevk> just had my first beer in the open, weather is changing for the better :)
  446. # [15:24] <Philip`> zcorpan: That regexp looks scary so maybe http://philip.html5.org/data/meta-content-charset-no-http-equiv-content-type.txt is better
  447. # [15:24] <Philip`> zcorpan: That's from egrep -i 'content="[^;"]*;\s*charset='|grep -iv 'http-equiv="content-type"'
  448. # [15:24] * jgraham wonders who annevk is talking to
  449. # [15:25] <Philip`> on a file containing <meta uri http-equiv name content> extracted from parsed pages
  450. # [15:25] <annevk> jgraham, othermaciej?
  451. # [15:25] * hsivonen wonders if WebKit and Opera have set themselves up for Microsoft moments like https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=546857#c22
  452. # [15:26] * hsivonen has no idea what kind of maintenance burdens Dashboard and Opera Widgets are
  453. # [15:27] <jgraham> annevk: Oh. I'm not really sure that follows from "Howdy everyone"
  454. # [15:27] <annevk> jgraham, it just did...
  455. # [15:28] <othermaciej> heh :-)
  456. # [15:28] <annevk> hsivonen, I suppose they're somewhat closer to HTML/CSS than XUL, other than that I have no idea
  457. # [15:29] <zcorpan> Philip`: nice, thanks
  458. # [15:30] <AryehGregor> "CSSStyleDeclaration" hurts my eyes. Too many S's.
  459. # [15:31] <annevk> should have been CSSDeclarationBlock but it's too late for that now
  460. # [15:31] <AryehGregor> Acronyms in names should be capitalized like normal words. That's the only sane way to do it.
  461. # [15:31] <annevk> much stuff in the CSSOM has weird names
  462. # [15:31] <AryehGregor> The convention that gives you CSSStyleDeclaration would also give you XMLHTTPRequest, which is just evil.
  463. # [15:31] <AryehGregor> CssStyleDeclaration would be so much more sensible.
  464. # [15:31] <annevk> euhm, now it is XMLHttpRequest
  465. # [15:32] <annevk> which is also weird
  466. # [15:32] <AryehGregor> Well, that's even more insane.
  467. # [15:32] <zcorpan> Philip`: there were no other attributes, like httpequiv? or http-equiv=contenttype?
  468. # [15:32] <annevk> yeah, not sure what you're saying
  469. # [15:32] <hsivonen> AryehGregor: more of a .NET than Java naming fan, eh?
  470. # [15:32] <AryehGregor> I don't touch either.
  471. # [15:33] <AryehGregor> annevk, I would do things like XmlHttpRequest.
  472. # [15:33] <AryehGregor> That way you can tell where words begin and end.
  473. # [15:34] <annevk> not really interesting to argue about such conventions now
  474. # [15:34] <AryehGregor> No, not at all, I was just randomly spamming.
  475. # [15:34] <hsivonen> I've used the .NET style in Java to improve readability
  476. # [15:34] <hsivonen> one of the main benefits .NET has over Java :-)
  477. # [15:34] <AryehGregor> Well, I guess it could be remembered for the future, if anyone gets to set new conventions for new languages or whatnot.
  478. # [15:34] <AryehGregor> hsivonen, so what *are* the .NET and Java styles?
  479. # [15:35] <hsivonen> CssStyleDeclaration would be .NET and CSSStyleDeclaration Java
  480. # [15:35] <Philip`> zcorpan: This data is just <meta uri http-equiv name content>
  481. # [15:35] <Philip`> i.e. it ignores any other attributes that may exist
  482. # [15:35] <zcorpan> Philip`: ok
  483. # [15:36] <AryehGregor> Then I'm a .NET convention fan. One thing Microsoft did right. :P
  484. # [15:36] <zcorpan> Philip`: i was kinda also interested in any other attributes that may exist :)
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  486. # [15:37] <Philip`> zcorpan: I think I'd have to modify the Java code to do that properly
  487. # [15:37] <Philip`> which is possible
  488. # [15:37] <Philip`> (later, if I don't forget)
  489. # [15:38] <Philip`> The regexp wouldn't match anything across multiple lines so that's probably not so good
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  498. # [15:51] <hsivonen> grr. maybe I should just ship a .class file compiled using Eclipse and stop supporting compilation using javac
  499. # [15:53] <hsivonen> alternatively, I could split NamedCharacter.java so that each member is in a class alone
  500. # [15:54] <othermaciej> is the file too big to compile with javac?
  501. # [15:54] <hsivonen> othermaciej: the output from javac is too big
  502. # [15:54] <hsivonen> to fit within the spec for .class files
  503. # [15:55] <hsivonen> the corresponding C++ file has been a problem with GCC and MSVC, too
  504. # [15:56] <annevk> hmm, CSS Value API is somewhat hard
  505. # [15:57] <Philip`> Making it harder to edit and recompile the code with standard tools doesn't sound like a good idea from a third-party contributor perspective
  506. # [15:59] <hsivonen> Philip`: Eclipse is the standard tool, isn't it. :-)
  507. # [15:59] <hsivonen> but yeah, I guess I need to split this file
  508. # [15:59] <hsivonen> and do the same split on the C++ side
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  510. # [16:01] <hsivonen> this isn't the first time that javac produces more verbose bytecode than ecj
  511. # [16:02] <Philip`> Does javac attempt any kind of optimisation at all?
  512. # [16:02] <hsivonen> dunno
  513. # [16:02] * Philip` briefly looked at its output once and it didn't seem to do any of the obvious things that would save space and time
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  515. # [16:03] <Philip`> but I may have been mistaken
  516. # [16:04] <JonathanNeal> word
  517. # [16:05] <Philip`> JonathanNeal: excel
  518. # [16:05] <JonathanNeal> :)
  519. # [16:05] <Philip`> Wasn't that the pattern?
  520. # [16:06] <JonathanNeal> After one entry? Very presumptuous Philip`
  521. # [16:08] <Philip`> You get more points for spotting the pattern sooner
  522. # [16:08] <Dashiva> More like assuming
  523. # [16:08] <Philip`> I was hoping "sharepoint workspace" would come next
  524. # [16:12] <JonathanNeal> Unfortunately, the next entry was to be "sentence"
  525. # [16:12] <zcorpan> hmm, opera doesn't do incremental rendering of giant text nodes in xml
  526. # [16:13] <jgraham> Microsoft Sentence?
  527. # [16:13] * annevk asks for thoughts on www-style
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  530. # [16:23] <MikeSmith> hsivonen: fwiw, I don't think adding a dependency on ecj would be too unreasonable
  531. # [16:23] <MikeSmith> if that's what you were to decide to do
  532. # [16:23] <MikeSmith> it's cross-platform and easy to install
  533. # [16:25] <zcorpan> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=9207 - anyone feeling like analyzing the individual characters to see if they'd benefit from changing the parser?
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  553. # [17:24] <JonathanNeal> Excell
  554. # [17:28] <Philip`> Where did the ent go?
  555. # [17:28] <jgraham> That sounds like the start of a Tolkien joke
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  569. # [17:56] <JonathanNeal> Philip`, I don't know.
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  584. # [18:26] <CrazyFoam> Hello, I have a question regarding XML Namespaces
  585. # [18:26] <CrazyFoam> say I have <a xmlns="urn:a" xmlns:b="urn:b"> <b:b> <c/> </b:b> </a>
  586. # [18:26] <CrazyFoam> element <c/> is assumed to be in namespace urn:a
  587. # [18:27] <CrazyFoam> but if I have <a:a xmlns:a="urn:a" xmlns:b="urn:b"> <b:b> <c/> </b:b> </a:a>
  588. # [18:27] <CrazyFoam> is element <c/> invalid or assumed to be in namespace urn:b?
  589. # [18:28] <Philip`> In the second case, the <c/> is in no namespace
  590. # [18:28] <Philip`> (which is a perfectly legitimate thing to do)
  591. # [18:28] <CrazyFoam> ah that's what I thought, but how is it legitimate
  592. # [18:28] <CrazyFoam> say the doc has no default namespace
  593. # [18:28] <Philip`> XML doesn't require namespaces
  594. # [18:28] <CrazyFoam> whatever processing the doc may not be able to understand <c/>
  595. # [18:29] <Philip`> You could write <a><b><c/></b></a> and the <c/> would be in no namespace, just as in your example
  596. # [18:29] <Philip`> Namespaces don't cause understanding
  597. # [18:30] <annevk> they just cause confusion
  598. # [18:30] <CrazyFoam> haha
  599. # [18:30] <Philip`> I could write <a:axghrlktxjhlkj xmlns:a="urn:a"/> and whatever's processing the document would have just as much chance of understanding it as of understanding <c/>
  600. # [18:30] <Dashiva> You could use the namespace URI as input to a RDF-based knowledge network that would provide all the data you need!
  601. # [18:31] <Philip`> You'd want some kind of schema if you want to restrict the document to known elements
  602. # [18:31] <CrazyFoam> knowledge network haha
  603. # [18:32] <CrazyFoam> okay well thanks for the info, really what i was looking for is that <c/> in the last case defeintiely shouldn't get interptreted as belonging to either urn:a or urn:b
  604. # [18:33] <Philip`> Yep - if it has no prefix then it's in the default namespace, and the default namespace is only affected by xmlns="..."
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  606. # [18:35] <CrazyFoam> on that note, what do you call it when a doc changes default namespace all over the place, e.g. <doc xmlns="urn:doc"> <a xmlns="urn:a"/> <b xmlns="urn:b"/> </doc>, still valid right? can't think of a term to search for specifications - "default namespace switching"?
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  611. # [18:44] <Philip`> CrazyFoam: You mean when it changes the default namespace in non-root elements?
  612. # [18:45] <Philip`> I guess it's neurotic by the definitions in http://lists.xml.org/archives/xml-dev/200204/msg00170.html
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  614. # [18:48] <CrazyFoam> hmmm... is that post discussing maintaining prefix names through serialization?
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  616. # [18:49] <Philip`> That's part of it
  617. # [18:49] <CrazyFoam> ah got to the neruotic part
  618. # [18:49] <CrazyFoam> what is a GI?
  619. # [18:51] <Philip`> Tag name
  620. # [18:51] <Philip`> ('Generic identifier')
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  622. # [18:55] <lazni> http://www.mikematas.com/ is rather empty in opera
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  626. # [18:57] <brucel> Is there a webkit guru in the house?
  627. # [18:57] <Philip`> There might be more in #webkit
  628. # [18:57] <jgraham> brucel: I suggest you just ask the question and someone will probably answer
  629. # [18:58] <jgraham> lazni: Which version of OPera, and what exactly do you see?
  630. # [18:59] <lazni> 10.51, I see only the 3 menu items on the left
  631. # [19:00] <jgraham> lazni: Curious. It works for me, although it is a bit slow to load (and has an obnoxious alert telling me to get a modern browser "such as Apple Safari")
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  633. # [19:00] <brucel> Am trying to build up video demo that, if Ogg video isn;t supported (but video *is*, eg Safari) it will fall back to the contents of the video element. But can't get it working - onerror event seems not to fire. http://people.opera.com/brucel/dev/html5-video-fallback.html Have a brain full of cold so am trying to understand where I'm going wrong
  634. # [19:01] <lazni> I restarted opera and the page loads now
  635. # [19:01] <jgraham> lazni: Could be cache bug or something I guess
  636. # [19:01] <lazni> but it doesn't pop up about safari
  637. # [19:02] <jgraham> If you work out how to reproduce then file a bug
  638. # [19:02] <annevk> brucel, did you check that error is dispatched at all?
  639. # [19:02] <lazni> okay
  640. # [19:03] <brucel> annevk, seems never to fire
  641. # [19:03] <jgraham> lazni: You're not missing much. There's nothing that says "retard" quite like being a supposed UI designer who uses a modal alert to tell people that a site might not work in a browser that it actually works fine in and that they should buy a Mac instead
  642. # [19:04] <lazni> and a totallly JS-driven site
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  645. # [19:05] <annevk> brucel, fwiw, it should be dispatched on the video element
  646. # [19:05] <annevk> brucel, also, <video> does not have a type attribute
  647. # [19:06] <brucel> annevk whoops, will whisk that away and see how it goes
  648. # [19:07] <jgraham> lazni: Well yeah it would be nice if the site fell back to something sensible. I have to admit that it looks pretty cool though
  649. # [19:07] <annevk> (if it then works that would also be a bug, but I don't think it'll help)
  650. # [19:07] <annevk> brucel, if you add autoplay does it then fire maybe?
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  652. # [19:09] <annevk> brucel, you can maybe hack around it by checking the associated error object on some kind of timeout loop
  653. # [19:09] <annevk> maybe they do properly update that
  654. # [19:11] <brucel> annevk didn't work when I removed type from video element and added autoplay
  655. # [19:11] <brucel> annevk hack, thanks, will try. But this *should* work, right?
  656. # [19:16] <annevk> yeah
  657. # [19:16] <annevk> you might wanna file a bug: https://bugs.webkit.org/
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  661. # [19:22] <brucel> annevk thx
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  691. # [20:49] <mr_danie1> everyon is so excited about html5, its great new features; also many times html5 is seen as a flash-killer, making hopefully anothe propritery technology obsolete, and in many aspect I think html5 will make the race with widely accepted standards
  692. # [20:50] <mr_danie1> but what is about p2p capabilites? for example chatroulette.com is completely build on flash, because it uses the p2p technology from flash to make direct end-user communication possible
  693. # [20:51] <annevk> it's work in progress
  694. # [20:51] <mr_danie1> so I am asking myself: is there a way to build p2p webapplications without flash?
  695. # [20:51] <mr_danie1> is there a working draft document available annevk ?
  696. # [20:52] <annevk> http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/commands.html#peer-to-peer-connections
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  715. # [21:27] <zcorpan> hmm, why doesn't the first video autoplay in opera? http://people.opera.com/brucel/dev/html5-video-fallback.html
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  717. # [21:31] <zcorpan> annevk: "<annevk> brucel, fwiw, it should be dispatched on the video element" - no, it should fire on <source>
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  719. # [21:33] <zcorpan> (at least when using <source>)
  720. # [21:40] * zcorpan sees a your momma joke about html5 on twitter
  721. # [21:47] <erlehmann> this onerror thing is nice
  722. # [21:47] <erlehmann> zcorpan, link ?
  723. # [21:47] <zcorpan> http://twitter.com/iamkory/statuses/11051962698
  724. # [21:52] <annevk> zcorpan, ah yeah, I see now, but it'll bubble anyway so that shouldn't matter
  725. # [21:53] * gsnedders opens up laptop and finds a listing of x86 jump instructions
  726. # [21:53] <annevk> the event summary makes this somewhat confusing
  727. # [21:53] <gsnedders> Oh dear.
  728. # [21:54] <zcorpan> annevk: error doesn't bubble
  729. # [21:55] <annevk> meh
  730. # [21:55] <annevk> seems cumbersome to put onerror on each source element
  731. # [21:55] <annevk> oh well
  732. # [21:55] <zcorpan> why would you put it on each source element?
  733. # [21:56] <annevk> debugging :)
  734. # [21:56] <zcorpan> you could use a capturing listener for debugging purposes :)
  735. # [21:58] <annevk> if i put the script in the right place, yeah...
  736. # [21:59] <Hixie> zcorpan: i think a "your momma so fat" joke would work better with the html spec :-)
  737. # [21:59] <Hixie> "your momma so fat, she makes the html spec look small"
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  740. # [22:00] <Dashiva> More like "she got the HTML5 spec as a tattoo"
  741. # [22:00] <zcorpan> lol
  742. # [22:01] <Hixie> lol
  743. # [22:02] <annevk> hehe
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  746. # [22:17] <mr_danie1> back, thanks for the link annevk
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  750. # [22:28] <zcorpan> content-aware fill looks nice
  751. # [22:33] <paul_irish> apparently its been available in GIMP for years as a plugin. looks almost better, actually: http://o3.tumblr.com/post/470608946/photoshops-caf-content-aware-fill-unbelievable
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  754. # [22:34] <Hixie> "almost better" so "not quite as good"? :-)
  755. # [22:35] <paul_irish> heh. i think it's a little nicer, in fact. I perfered the resynthesizer's desert landscape job vs adobe's.
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  759. # [22:37] <zcorpan> paul_irish: yes, the desert looks better
  760. # [22:38] <zcorpan> the sky in the first picture looks worse, but might be easily fixable
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  779. # [23:29] <Dashiva> So RDFa 1.1 keeps xmlns unchanged, but also adds two additional ways to declare prefixes
  780. # [23:30] <Dashiva> And this is supposed to make it less complicated?
  781. # [23:32] <Philip`> Perhaps you could then define a profile of RDFa 1.1 that only includes one or two of the prefix declaration methods, to keep things simple
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  783. # [23:34] <gsnedders> Anyone have any clue about ARM based computers? Like, what is decent and not overly expensive?
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  788. # [23:40] <jgraham> gsnedders: Huh? Are there many ARM-based general purpose computers for sale?
  789. # [23:40] <jgraham> (or: what is your use case?)
  790. # [23:41] <gsnedders> jgraham: There are a few
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  792. # [23:41] <Philip`> Does an iPhone count?
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