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# Session Start: Thu Mar 29 00:00:00 2012
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# [00:00] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/f0a104d6cc36 - Ed Morley - Backout 273173a592dc (bug 483992) for causing bug 739927
# [00:01] <philor> thanks :)
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# [00:03] <sfink> what is |hg qsave -e -c| doing that makes it so incredibly slow?
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# [00:04] <jdm> what's qsave?
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# [00:04] <sfink> it copies a patch queue and somehow manages to create a new head useful for merging without screwing up the mq metadata
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# [00:06] <sfink> it's actually pretty bizarre what it ends up doing, at least with -e. It ends up making a dummy commit that reverts all of your mq patches and puts it on top of all the revs containing your changes.
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# [00:07] <sfink> it's the only way I've found to be able to modify a patch deep in my stack, merge the rest on top of it, and end up with a valid mq setup
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# [00:08] <jhammel> heh, i just checkout a new repo and apply the patches by hand
# [00:08] <jhammel> "efficient", i know
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# [00:09] <sfink> I do too, normally, but I'm dealing with a crazy patch stack at the moment. (Partly because I'm trying to preserve a patch right in the middle that has been r+'ed.)
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# [00:09] <sfink> Every time I tried reapplying a patch, it would end up conflicting almost everywhere, and I grew tired of redoing the same changes over and over
# [00:10] <jhammel> we need `hg qpush --unbitrot` ;)
# [00:10] <jhammel> that should be easy to write
# [00:11] <sfink> if mq weren't so gol-darned eager to forget revisions as soon as you unapply a patch, it would be easy
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# [00:11] <sfink> ah! it's done
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# [00:11] <cpeterson> The `wiggle` patch tool does a pretty good job of cramming old patches into new revisions.
# [00:11] <jdm> never heard of it
# [00:12] <cpeterson> http://linux.die.net/man/1/wiggle
# [00:12] <cpeterson> wiggle - apply rejected patches and perform word-wise diffs
# [00:12] <sfink> that's true... I used it pretty successfully for an automated merge tool. Hmm... maybe I should be trying that.
# [00:12] <jhammel> i've often contemplated just using quilt directly instead of mq....i keep forgetting why i don't
# [00:13] <jhammel> i'd in general prefer to deal with diffs and not with VCS-specifics
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# [00:13] <jhammel> since i refuse to swallow the github koolaid
# [00:14] <jhammel> cpeterson: can you get mq to use wiggle?
# [00:14] <sfink> speaking of github koolaid, anyone have anything they'd like to ask or request of the github guys? I'm going to be hanging out with them tomorrow
# [00:14] * jhammel isn't sure how that would work
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# [00:14] <jhammel> sfink: can you get them to put per-directory tarballs up?
# [00:14] <jhammel> and to open-source their site?
# [00:15] <jhammel> if not, then not really ;)
# [00:15] <sfink> I'll ask both, though I know they have regular internal discussions about what to open source and what not
# [00:15] <edmorley> *sigh*, another quality dev.planning contribution
# [00:15] <jhammel> ?
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# [00:16] <jbuck> sfink: Ask them if they plan on making git on windows less painful and when :)
# [00:16] <cpeterson> jhammel, hg won't use wiggle automatically, but wrote an `hg wiggle` script to process hg .rej files after a conflict.
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# [00:16] <sfink> jbuck: valid question. I'll ask.
# [00:17] <jhammel> sfink: thanks
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# [00:17] <jhammel> the lack of per-directory tarballs, while it sounds like a bit weird of a request, is biting me in python-land at the moment
# [00:17] <jhammel> well, its biting other people i'm supposed to interface with anyway ;)
# [00:18] <Mook_as> jhammel: if their zip archives don't create a subdirectory, it would be possible to distribute extensions with them ;) (install.rdf in the root, etc.)
# [00:19] <jhammel> Mook_as: i believe they do
# [00:19] <Mook_as> I know, that's why I'm bringing it up - it doesn't work last I checked :)
# [00:19] <jhammel> nope :(
# [00:20] <jhammel> its a similar issue in python...if you have package per repo (which we didn't do for reasons i won't go into) then you can install straight from github (a frequent request)
# [00:21] <jhammel> however, if you have multiple packages in python, a python (bug|lack of feature) makes it impossible to install subdirectories :/
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# [00:21] <jhammel> anyway, OT
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# [00:22] <cpeterson> hg question: when the release branches are uplifted, is m-c merged into m-a or does m-c just blow away m-a's history?
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# [00:25] <bjacob> Waldo: i forgot to obsolete the previous iteration of patch 8
# [00:25] * Waldo looks to see which version he's reviewing at the moment :-)
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# [00:26] <Waldo> Attachment 607571: 8: move CheckedInt to MFBT (but support for compiled tests is just a stub) - Benoit Jacob [:bjacob]
# [00:26] <Waldo> hmm
# [00:26] <bjacob> yeah that was the previous on
# [00:26] <bjacob> one
# [00:26] <bjacob> but it's almost identical
# [00:26] <bjacob> no worries
# [00:26] <Waldo> I don't have that many changes, I can copy 'em over manually
# [00:26] <bjacob> the new one has compiled tests in mfbt/ working
# [00:26] <Waldo> er, comments, I mean
# [00:26] <humph> roc: ping
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# [00:26] <Waldo> bjacob: do the tests compile/work in a JS engine build?
# [00:27] <@roc> humph: hi
# [00:27] <bjacob> Waldo: oh, sorry. then just keep reviewing that one, doesnt matter
# [00:27] <bjacob> Waldo: i didn't try
# [00:27] <Waldo> bjacob: I was going to suggest doing that in a followup or something, so no worries
# [00:27] <humph> roc: hi. just talking with smaug about 633602, trying to decide whether to land or get another review?
# [00:27] <Waldo> browser build is probably enough testing for most cases, just something we should not have to rely/depend on
# [00:27] <bjacob> Waldo: what i didn't try is if test failures are actually recorded as oranges
# [00:27] <@roc> land
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# [00:28] <humph> landho
# [00:28] <@roc> wait, what's the bug about?
# [00:28] <Waldo> hmm, yes, that seems worth testing :-)
# [00:28] <@roc> just kidding :-) let me read
# [00:28] <humph> so close
# [00:28] * Waldo will still finish out this review, since it's mostly done -- shouldn't be too bad reviewing just additional changes afterward, or something
# [00:28] <@roc> humph: ok, why wouldn't you land?
# [00:28] <humph> I think it's fine to land
# [00:29] <@roc> ok, why are you unsure whether it's fine to land?
# [00:29] <humph> we were discussing if it needed an sr
# [00:29] <humph> and smaug thought your opinion would be useful
# [00:29] <humph> so I asked
# [00:30] <@smaug> yeah, I was just wondering if you roc wanted for example cpearce to look at it
# [00:30] <humph> I'm happy to do whatever makes sense, just want to keep moving forward
# [00:30] <jdm> is there some way to use hg bisect on mozilla-central to bisect an inbound merge?
# [00:30] <@smaug> since it is kind of fullscreen related stuff atm
# [00:30] <@smaug> I think we should land it, so that there is some time to fix possible bugs
# [00:30] <@smaug> ...before next Aurora
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# [00:31] <@roc> ok
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# [00:32] <cpearce> I'm ok with pointer lock landing. I anticipate that I'm going to have to work around it in my requestFullScreenWithKeys work, so having it stable makes that easier.
# [00:32] <@roc> it looks fine
# [00:33] <@roc> land
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# [00:33] <humph> k, thanks all
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# [00:34] <Callek> jdm: yes
# [00:35] <Callek> jdm: you would just use bisect like normal, it should work to check both sides, aiui
# [00:35] <jdm> Callek: I tried giving it the merge changeset as the bad and the changeset before the merge as the good, and it says it's checking three changesets
# [00:36] <Callek> jdm: give the *inbound* cset before the merge as good
# [00:36] <jdm> ah, thanks
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# [00:41] <mounir> bz: will you have time later this afernoon to speak about form styling?
# [00:41] <mounir> or tomorrow?
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# [00:45] <@smaug> gavin: ping
# [00:46] <@smaug> felipe: ping
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# [00:47] <RyanVM> WTH, I updated mozillabuild on this computer and now configure doesn't think I have a python version >2.5 and <3.0
# [00:47] <@khuey> you need to clobber
# [00:47] <@khuey> when you update m-b
# [00:48] <RyanVM> nuking the objdir
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# [00:48] <mbrubeck> My Debian laptop seems to be in some weird state where the CPU cores are all running in low-power (slow) mode even when I'm, say, building Gecko
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# [00:48] <mbrubeck> Any Linux-heads have any suggestions for what I should check?
# [00:48] <jtcranmer> have you tried an exorcist?
# [00:48] <RyanVM> khuey: working now, thanks
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# [00:49] <froydnj> RyanVM: how far along did you get on your yarr import?
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# [00:49] <RyanVM> froydnj: Not very. Haven't spent much time on it, either.
# [00:49] <markh> bholley: you have a sec?
# [00:50] <RyanVM> froydnj: still taking stock of how applicable the old patches are
# [00:50] <bholley> markh: maybe
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# [00:50] <markh> bholley: so I'm looking at bug 734215, which is biting us even more now in nightlies...
# [00:50] <froydnj> RyanVM: my guess is "not very". I assume the assembler has to be re-imported too?
# [00:50] <RyanVM> froydnj: If you want to work on it, be my guest. It wasn't a huge priority to me. Just something I wanted to toy with.
# [00:50] <markh> the patch at http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1541583 fixes it, but I'm far from certain it is correct
# [00:51] <RyanVM> froydnj: Looks like it, yes. And some new files need importing that weren't previously included.
# [00:51] <froydnj> bleh
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# [00:51] <markh> bholley: especially when I look at your patch from bug 667388
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# [00:51] <froydnj> that means a lot more conflicts. there ought to be a better way to handle this
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# [00:51] <RyanVM> froydnj: I think I can muddle through it using the old patches as a guide.
# [00:51] <bholley> markh: so, sfink is currently fixing typed arrays and proxies
# [00:51] <RyanVM> it'll just take some time
# [00:51] <markh> bholley: I tried to use UnwrapObjectChecked bit it failed for me - something to do with getting a PUNCTURE
# [00:51] <RyanVM> it would also help if it was updated more than once a year
# [00:52] <bholley> markh: it tells you that you failed to PUNCTURE the object?
# [00:52] <froydnj> yes, definitely :)
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# [00:52] <markh> Um - not sure what it was telling me :) But the fact that flag was passed caused it to fail
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# [00:53] <markh> sfink - you have a sec?
# [00:53] <sfink> sure
# [00:53] <bholley> markh: which flag?
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# [00:53] <markh> bholley: from memory, UnwrapObjectChecked's impl passes that flag internally
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# [00:54] <bholley> markh: what flag?
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# [00:54] <bholley> markh: oh
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# [00:54] <markh> wrapper::PUNCTURE
# [00:54] <bholley> markh: you mean the wrapper action
# [00:54] <NeilAway> khuey: I'd just delete config.cache, it's not as if he changed compiler
# [00:54] <markh> sfink: so I'm looking at bug 734215 which has to do with arrays and proxies
# [00:54] <bholley> markh: right
# [00:54] <markh> sfink: which bholleytells me you are looking at.
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# [00:55] <markh> sfink: the patch at http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1541583 fixes that bug, but I'm far from certain it is correct
# [00:55] <sfink> I'm fixing it differently. I'm making it so the typed array and the arraybuffer will always be in the same compartment.
# [00:55] <bholley> markh: if it's telling you that the puncture fails, that means the security system vetoed it
# [00:56] <markh> sfink: when do you think you will have it done
# [00:56] <bholley> markh: so it's probably not a good idea to unwrap
# [00:56] <sfink> When you construct a typedarray from a wrapped arraybuffer, it'll create the typedarray next to the arraybuffer and hand back a wrapped typedarray
# [00:56] <sfink> "done" is such an overloaded word
# [00:56] <markh> heh
# [00:56] <sfink> I hope to have all the patches done and passing tests today
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# [00:56] <markh> that's awesome. Can I assign that bug to you then?
# [00:56] <sfink> I expect that reviews should take less than 6 months
# [00:56] <sfink> probably
# [00:57] <markh> bholley is currently assigned
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# [00:57] <sfink> I'll take it
# [00:58] <markh> sfink: what bug will you be attaching the patch to?
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# [00:58] <markh> I'll be keen to test the patch does indeed fix bug 734215
# [00:58] <sfink> now, that's a good question. I have a patch queue that involves a bunch of different bugs, and the interdependencies aren't really where you'd want them to be
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# [00:59] <sfink> bug 737245 and bug 711843 will be most of it
# [00:59] <NeilAway> bah, forgot to rm xpidl???*.py* again
# [00:59] <markh> k, thanks
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# [01:02] <markh> we can probably just close 734215 as a dupe of 737245
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# [01:37] <ddahl> khuey: do we have an Identity bugzilla module to file bugs in?
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# [01:40] <biesi> ddahl, I believe you may have to use github
# [01:40] <ddahl> biesi: this is for platform code
# [01:40] <biesi> oh
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# [01:41] <ddahl> i thought khuey got the ball rolling on the new bugzilla component
# [01:41] <@khuey> I thought we were creating Toolkit::Identity
# [01:42] <@khuey> but it looks like the bug was WONTFIXed
# [01:42] * @khuey reopens
# [01:42] <gavin> khuey: why toolkit?
# [01:42] <@khuey> gavin: as opposed to Core?
# [01:43] <gavin> yes
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# [01:43] <@khuey> it seems like things that are primarily C++ are in Core, while things that are primary JS are in Toolkit
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# [01:43] <gavin> I don't think that's a useful distinction
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# [01:43] <gavin> (I don't think all of toolkit is a useful distinction really, but it's useful organizationally)
# [01:43] <@khuey> ok, if you want it to be Core::Identity feel free to comment in 732509
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# [01:44] <gavin> khuey: what code would these bugs be filed on?
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# [01:44] <@khuey> the identity code in mozilla-central that doesn't exist yet
# [01:44] <gavin> navigator.identity functionality implemented in DOM?
# [01:44] <@khuey> and the backend stuff that makes identity actually work
# [01:44] <@khuey> yes
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# [01:45] <gavin> how much code is that going to be?
# [01:45] <gavin> more than window.console?
# [01:45] <@khuey> I have no idea how much code window.console is
# [01:45] <gavin> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/dom/base/ConsoleAPI.js?force=1
# [01:45] <@khuey> but I'd note that this code is likely to be owned by a totally new set of people
# [01:45] <gavin> (and http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/dom/base/ConsoleAPIStorage.jsm?force=1 )
# [01:46] <@khuey> I'm pretty sure it's going to be more than 300 loc
# [01:46] <ddahl> gavin: a fair bit more
# [01:46] <@khuey> ddahl: feel free to jump in here
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# [01:46] <@khuey> ah, perfect
# [01:46] <ddahl> i thought we would file stuff for the dom interface in Core::Identity - perhaps all of it for now
# [01:47] <ddahl> i don't see why we would put anything in toolkit
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# [01:47] <@smaug> felipe: gavin: about mutation observing in chrome code
# [01:47] <gavin> I guess I don't really understand why it'd be significantly more than consoleAPI
# [01:47] <ddahl> the only public interface will be navigator.id
# [01:47] <@khuey> gavin: because it has to do all sorts of crypto and stuff?
# [01:47] <gavin> but whatever, core:identity is fine
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# [01:47] <@smaug> felipe: gavin: I assume MutationObserver could be useful for chrome, in some cases
# [01:48] <ddahl> gavin: the API will be more methods and a fair bit of code i think
# [01:48] <ddahl> plus there is the PSM interface
# [01:48] <ddahl> but that can stay in PSM
# [01:48] <@smaug> felipe: gavin: would you like to get notified when something inside anonymous code changes, and observer is somewhere in non-anonymous
# [01:48] <@smaug> (that is how mutation events work now, but they aren't ofc used in chrome)
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# [01:50] <gavin> smaug: the only case of wanting to use mutation observers that I know of is the TabAttrModified stuff
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# [01:53] <@smaug> gavin: but do you have any opinion how MutationObserver should work in case there is XBL
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# [01:53] <RyanVM> I'm getting really tired of having to rm the xpidl*.pyc files on every build...
# [01:53] <gavin> every build?
# [01:53] <gavin> I only had to do it once
# [01:53] <RyanVM> yes
# [01:53] <RyanVM> i've had to do it every time
# [01:53] <RyanVM> pgo build
# [01:54] <RyanVM> dies on js on the second path
# [01:54] <RyanVM> pass*
# [01:54] <jhammel> i would like to see that added to ${SOMEWHERE} in the build
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# [01:54] <felipe> smaug, gavin: I haven't used anon content enough to have an useful opinion on that, but I'd think getting events for anon changes would be kinda surprising for most uses of the api
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# [01:55] <felipe> smaug, gavin: maybe it could be opt-in if you want anon changes too when you register the observer
# [01:56] <@smaug> felipe: sounds good
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# [02:10] <luke> any estimate on tree opening?
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# [02:15] <philor> luke: an hour from when it finally decides it ought to start, dinner first?
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# [02:16] <bholley> jwir3: trying to figure out when I should grab my bike
# [02:16] <philor> about sixish, which will be inconvenient since I'll be working the front desk and not reopening at 6
# [02:16] <jwir3> bholley: I'll be here for at least another 45 mins I think
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# [02:26] <IRCMonkey52166> bah
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# [02:27] <@khuey> Jesse: ping
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# [02:41] <RyanVM> has anyone else noticed background colors flashing between white and gray when loading bugzilla diffs lately?
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# [02:52] <smontagu> crashtests are hanging for me
# [02:52] <smontagu> end of the logfile: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1541814
# [02:52] <edmorley> RyanVM: haven;t noticed anything like that here
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# [02:58] <Unfocused> was seamonkey 2.1b3pre before or after gecko 2.0 ?
# [02:58] <jwir3> Font inflation bugs: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?list_id=2704166;columnlist=priority%2Cbug_status%2Cproduct%2Ccomponent%2Cassigned_to%2Cshort_desc%2Ccf_blocking_fennec10%2Ckeywords;resolution=---;resolution=DUPLICATE;query_based_on=font-inflation;status_whiteboard_type=allwordssubstr;query_format=advanced;status_whiteboard=readability;bug_status=UNCONFIRMED;bug_status=NEW;bug_status=ASSIGNED;bug_status=REOPENED;known_name=font-inflation
# [02:58] <sheppy> How.
# [02:58] <sheppy> Er. Yow.
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# [02:59] <smontagu> basically any test with an <applet> hangs
# [02:59] <sheppy> It's a sign. Time to kill Java once and for all. :)
# [02:59] <smontagu> :)
# [02:59] <jwir3> nattokirai: Font inflation bugs: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?list_id=2704166;columnlist=priority%2Cbug_status%2Cproduct%2Ccomponent%2Cassigned_to%2Cshort_desc%2Ccf_blocking_fennec10%2Ckeywords;resolution=---;resolution=DUPLICATE;query_based_on=font-inflation;status_whiteboard_type=allwordssubstr;query_format=advanced;status_whiteboard=readability;bug_status=UNCONFIRMED;bug_status=NEW;bug_status=ASSIGNED;bug_status=REOPENED;known_name=font-
# [02:59] <jwir3> inflation
# [03:00] <Unfocused> n/m, wikipedia says it was 2.0
# [03:00] <sheppy> Link inflation.
# [03:00] <smontagu> bug 483779 is similar
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# [03:01] <smontagu> and bug 509527
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# [03:02] <smontagu> or bug 497602
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# [03:34] <RyanVM> *sigh* One bug with checkin-needed on it where none of the posted patches ever received r+
# [03:35] <RyanVM> and another that had both an r+ and an r- on it
# [03:35] <cpearce> humph++!
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# [03:45] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/1965a2c89d61 - Richard Newman - Bug 739519 - Part 2: logging. r=trivial
# [03:45] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/8365faf3a156 - Marina Samuel - Bug 739519 - Part 1: quickfix. r=rnewman
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# [03:46] <rnewman> Android Sync-only change, and teensy, so don't blame me if things catch fire :D
# [03:47] <GPHemsley> RyanVM: Thanks for the checkin :)
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# [03:47] <RyanVM> not a prob!
# [03:47] <RyanVM> rnewman: feeling lucky, eh?
# [03:47] <rnewman> :D
# [03:48] <rnewman> didn't want to leave Nightly broken for an additional day
# [03:48] <rnewman> the one downside to inbound
# [03:48] <rnewman> not great for speedy fixes
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# [03:50] <RyanVM> tru dat
# [03:50] <GPHemsley> How often is inbound merged to m-c?
# [03:51] <rnewman> GPHemsley: whenever one of us sheriffs feels like spending an hour :)
# [03:51] <GPHemsley> ah :)
# [03:51] <rnewman> requires a win pgo green build, so coalescing can cause that to take a while
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# [04:07] <humph> cpearce: thanks!
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# [04:10] <RyanVM> not a prob
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# [04:18] <@khuey> Callek: ping?
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# [04:32] <hashken> From what I understood from "Lawrence Mandel's" blog, Mozilla has halted the development on Electrolysis.
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# [04:34] <@khuey> hashken: that's more or less correct
# [04:34] <hashken> Can I take this as a "Summer of Code project".
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# [04:34] <@khuey> "Electrolysis for Firefox" might be a better description of whatt's been halted
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# [04:35] <@khuey> heh
# [04:35] <@khuey> I admire your enthusiasm ;-)
# [04:35] <hashken> I know this is too big a project to be completed in summer.
# [04:35] <@khuey> but that's many many engineer-years of work
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# [04:35] <hashken> But, atleast someone should make a start.
# [04:35] <fabrice> a start exists - felipe and gavin worked on this iirc
# [04:36] <hashken> Otherwise chrome will just take away all the market share from firefox.
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# [04:38] <hashken> felipe, gavin: Can you tell upto what extent the work on Electrolysis has progressed?
# [04:39] <Callek> khuey: pong?
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# [04:39] <@khuey> Callek: is there a way to use MXR to search c-c but not m-c?
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# [04:40] <Callek> khuey: very much so, but its piecemail and a PITA
# [04:40] <Callek> you basically have to specify a root search path for each dir you want to check
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# [04:40] <Callek> /suite /mail /mailnews etc
# [04:40] <@khuey> ok
# [04:40] * Unfocused can't tell if Callek is talking about mxr or c-c in general
# [04:40] <@khuey> just curious
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# [04:41] <@khuey> what I wanted ended up being infrequent enough that I could live with searching m-c
# [04:41] * @khuey is pretty sure the patch he just landed on inbound doesn't break c-c-
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# [04:42] <philor|afk> oh, *that's* why you landed on inbound, I wondered
# [04:42] <@khuey> haha
# [04:42] <philor|afk> easier to sneak up on c-c that way :D
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# [04:44] <cpeterson> what is c-c?
# [04:44] <@khuey> comm-central
# [04:44] <@khuey> where thunderbird and seamonkey live
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# [05:03] <hashken> Sorry, that I had to leave.
# [05:04] <hashken> As for my question, is it possible to take up a part of the "Electrolysis for Firefox" as a project for Summer of Code.
# [05:04] <@khuey> no
# [05:05] <hashken> khuey: Can you please explain why?
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# [05:06] <@khuey> because a major reason we're not doing electrolysis is because it will break all of the addons
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# [05:10] <hashken> I know. But many users will prefer to have a stable and responsive firefox without add-ons as compared to an unresponsive with add-ons. Even if it breaks the add-ons, this project has to be implemented some time or the other. Better do it early.
# [05:10] <joe_msu> got a clang error when i was trying to rebuild mozilla-central, here's the error message http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1542037, does anybody know how to fix that?
# [05:10] <@khuey> hashken: I would suggest sending mail to gavin and gerv about it
# [05:10] <@khuey> firebot: gavin?
# [05:11] <firebot> khuey: gavin is Gavin Sharp, gavin@gavinsharp.com (bugmail: gavin.sharp@gmail.com)
# [05:11] <@khuey> firebot: gerv?
# [05:11] <firebot> khuey: Gerv is a Mozilla.org staff member and Bugzilla hacker (mailto: gerv@mozilla.org). He might be in church now. (http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/gerv/, http://www.gerv.net/)
# [05:11] <hashken> Thank you, guys.
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# [05:17] <@roc> actually one reason we paused work on electrolysis is that it became clear the highest-priority work to make Firefox stable and responsive had nothing to do with electrolysis
# [05:18] <@roc> khuey: "because a major reason we're not doing electrolysis is because it will break all of the addons", not true, we have options to keep add-ons compatible
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# [05:20] <@khuey> roc: you mean CPOWs? or something else?
# [05:21] <@roc> I mean CPOWs. More accurately, "potential options that haven't been explored yet"
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# [05:21] <@khuey> fair enough
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# [05:22] <@roc> sorry, "e10s must break all addons" is a vicious meme I'm trying to stamp out
# [05:23] <@roc> nothing personal :-)
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# [05:23] <fabrice> true. We have e10s add-on in fennec/xul, including adblock
# [05:24] <KWierso> what about "e10s makes mean faces at addons"?
# [05:24] <@roc> that's different. Those addons were all rewritten to use MessageManager.
# [05:24] <@khuey> personally, I'm totally ok with breaking addons
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# [05:24] <@khuey> but my time on memshrink has given me a very cynical viewpoint on them
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# [05:25] <njn> firebot: njn?
# [05:25] <firebot> njn: I have heard that you are the nanojit master
# [05:26] * njn is obsolete :(
# [05:26] <Unfocused> firebot: Unfocused?
# [05:26] <firebot> Unfocused: Sorry, I've no idea who you are.
# [05:26] <KWierso> ouch
# [05:26] <Unfocused> njn: feel any better? :P
# [05:26] <@khuey> firebot: no, njn is obsolete
# [05:26] <firebot> khuey: ok
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# [05:30] <njn> firebot: njn?
# [05:30] <firebot> njn: you are obsolete
# [05:30] <njn> firebot: no, khuey eats only cheese
# [05:31] <firebot> njn: Sorry, I've no idea what 'no, khuey eats only cheese' might be.
# [05:31] <njn> dammit
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# [05:31] <KWierso> firebot: khuey?
# [05:31] <firebot> KWierso: backout! backout! backout!
# [05:31] <@khuey> njn: no X is foo
# [05:31] <@dolske> <njn> ok
# [05:31] <@dolske> ;)
# [05:31] <@khuey> yeah I've seen that before
# [05:31] <njn> khuey: do you need operator privileges?
# [05:31] <@khuey> no
# [05:31] <@khuey> I did it didn't I?
# [05:32] <njn> khuey: you have those privileges, AFAICT
# [05:32] <@khuey> oh
# [05:32] <@khuey> right
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# [05:32] <@khuey> that's pretty new
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# [05:34] <@dolske> firebot: please hug njn
# [05:34] <firebot> njn: *hug*
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# [05:36] <romaxa> glandium: ping
# [05:37] <romaxa> glandium: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1542164, is it compiler problem? or flags combination?
# [05:38] <joe_msu> romaxa: probably, did a pull and all of a sudden it doesn't work...
# [05:39] <joe_msu> romaxa: trying to update Xcode and see if it works...
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# [05:39] <joe_msu> romaxa: wrong person...
# [05:40] <joe_msu> romaxa: sorry...
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# [05:43] <romaxa> joe_msu: are you GFX joe?
# [05:44] <joe_msu> romaxa: nope...
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# [06:09] <@smaug> apparently housekeeper had noticed that there is a caffeine addicted person in this room. plenty of extra coffee
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# [06:13] <janv> ah
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# [06:22] <jaws> joe_msu: are you still having build troubles?
# [06:22] <joe_msu> jaws: yes...
# [06:22] <jaws> joe_msu: can you put a link to your pastebin here?
# [06:23] <joe_msu> jaws: sure, http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1542037
# [06:23] <philor> philikon: that "no fixing on inbound, just being backed out," you wrote that, didn't you?
# [06:23] <jaws> has anybody seen a build failure like the one that joe_msu has posted above?
# [06:24] <Callek> clang hrm
# [06:24] <Callek> I forget whos the expert there
# [06:25] <jaws> espinola i believe
# [06:25] <philor> needs more d
# [06:25] <jaws> er, espindola
# [06:25] <jaws> hehe
# [06:25] <jaws> but he's not in the room anyways
# [06:26] <joe> it's midnight in toronto
# [06:26] <joe> so he's probably asleep :)
# [06:26] <joe_msu> philor: what kind of details do you need?
# [06:26] <philor> joe_msu: I was amusing myself, because espindola has a d in it
# [06:26] <jaws> joe_msu: since i don't know how to fix your build issue, i would recommend trying to walk through the Simple Firefox build tutorial again: https://developer.mozilla.org/En/Simple_Firefox_build
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# [06:27] <Unfocused> yea, only the crazies are still up and on irc in toronto
# [06:27] <humph> :(
# [06:27] <jaws> hehe
# [06:27] <@roc> smaug: what sort of things are you allowed/not allowed to do during CC unlinking?
# [06:27] <@roc> actually
# [06:27] <@roc> what sort of things am *I* not allowed to do?
# [06:27] <@smaug> roc: unlinking can do pretty much everything
# [06:28] <@roc> allocate? post events?
# [06:28] <@smaug> it is traversing when you're not allowed to do things
# [06:28] <joe_msu> jaws: tried redo the whole process, still doesn't work...
# [06:28] <@smaug> roc: well, don't post sync events
# [06:28] <jaws> joe_msu: are you in a VM?
# [06:28] <@roc> sure, I won't spin the event loop :-)
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# [06:29] <philikon> philor: yes
# [06:29] <sfink> re-root objects?
# [06:29] <@smaug> roc: in general when unlinking happens CC keeps strong reference to objects and calls their unlink method
# [06:29] <philikon> philor: oh dear what did i do
# [06:29] <philor> philikon: for the best, probably, I'm not sure which of two ways was actually the right fix
# [06:29] <@smaug> roc: after that CC calls release
# [06:29] <philor> ifdef for _CHROME_TEST_FILES, no ifdef for the nsinstall
# [06:30] <jaws> joe_msu: are you in a VM?
# [06:30] <joe_msu> jaws: nope...
# [06:30] <philikon> philor: ah. thx!
# [06:30] <@roc> smaug: what sfink said ... can we resurrect objects?
# [06:30] <jaws> joe_msu: what version of clang do you have installed?
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# [06:30] <@smaug> roc: I don't see why not
# [06:30] <@smaug> roc: are you thinking about recycling some objects
# [06:31] <@roc> no
# [06:31] <joe_msu> jaws: the one came with Xcode4.2
# [06:31] <jaws> i didn't know xcode was a linux app, today i learned something new
# [06:31] <sfink> would those object's unlink methods then get called?
# [06:31] <@roc> I just have a situation where before I release a reference to a linked object I have to do substantial cleanup
# [06:31] <jaws> humph: congrats on landing pointer lock :)
# [06:31] <humph> jaws: thanks, but 10.7 seems to want to foil me
# [06:32] <@roc> and I'm not sure it won't addref something temporarily until some event runs later
# [06:32] <@smaug> roc: you could do that substantial cleanup async ?
# [06:32] <jaws> joe_msu: can you find what version that is?
# [06:32] <@smaug> post a runnable or something
# [06:32] <@roc> I could
# [06:32] <@smaug> roc: when DOM trees are cleaned up, element trees are unlinked using a runnable
# [06:32] <@roc> although some of it involves dropping references to the unlinked object
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# [06:33] <@smaug> roc: addreffing something temporarily shouldn't be bad
# [06:34] <@smaug> when you release, refcount should drop to 0 and object is deleted
# [06:34] <joe_msu> jaws: i believe it's clang 2.0
# [06:34] <jaws> joe_msu: you should be able to ask clang for its version
# [06:34] <@smaug> (I'm assuming the case release happens when runnable is called)
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# [06:35] <@roc> yeah, I think this is going to be OK
# [06:35] <@bz> smaug: so this JSArrayToAtomArray thing.....
# [06:36] <joe_msu> jaws: the apple website's info is not correct…i got clang 3.0 on mine
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# [06:36] <@dolske> joe_msu / jaws: I don't really know anything about clang, but... istr that one generally need to use a current clang from their repo's tip to build with
# [06:36] <@bz> smaug: We really need to get array stuff working in dombindings. ;)
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# [06:36] <joe_msu> jaws: apple clang version 3.0
# [06:36] <jaws> joe_msu: i'm still stumped. how are you running xcode in linux? http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2406151/run-xcode-in-linux
# [06:37] <@dolske> also, ehsan said something about having switched back to gcc recently, dunno why but maybe there's a problem with current m-c + clang?
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# [06:37] <@smaug> bz: back online..
# [06:37] <jaws> yeah, what dolske said. gcc ftw
# [06:37] <@smaug> bz: something about array thing..
# [06:37] <@bz> smaug: "We really need to get array stuff working in dombindings. ;)"
# [06:38] <@smaug> bz: ah, MutationObserver
# [06:38] <@smaug> yes, please fix that :)
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# [06:38] <joe_msu> jaws: i'm on my macbook
# [06:39] <jaws> joe_msu: are you in OS X or in Linux? either way, you should get gcc
# [06:40] <joe_msu> jaws: i'm on os x now
# [06:40] <@bz> smaug: though to get atoms instead of nsString might be a bit hard.
# [06:40] * jaws is confused
# [06:41] <@smaug> bz: code generator should just do the right thing
# [06:41] <@smaug> we could add some annotation to the idl
# [06:41] <@bz> smaug: well, webidl doesn't exactly have a way to declare 'nsIAtom'
# [06:41] <@bz> smaug: yeah
# [06:41] <@bz> smaug: indeed
# [06:41] <joe_msu> jaws: last night i was working on my desktop with linux on it. i'm at library now so i'm trying to work on my macbook...
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# [06:43] <joe_msu> jaws: now i know why you are confused...
# [06:43] <Unfocused> joe_msu: when did you last pull from mozilla-central? i vaguely remember someone mentioning that something broke Clang recently
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# [06:43] <joe_msu> jaws: tonight
# [06:43] <jaws> itym Unfocused
# [06:44] <joe_msu> jaws: linux build was ok after deleting obj dir last night
# [06:45] <joe_msu> jaws: trying to do update mozilla-central on mac tonight and failed...
# [06:45] <jaws> https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Mac_OS_X_Build_Prerequisites mentions that XCode4.2 doesn't come with GCC. can you install XCode4.1?
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# [06:46] <joe_msu> jaws: i used clang because of this reason
# [06:47] <jaws> joe_msu: yeah, but that page also says that clang builds aren't officially supported, so maybe try gcc and you might get better luck
# [06:47] <joe_msu> jaws: not sure if i can roll back to 4.1...
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# [06:53] <@smaug> I need to add some lock to ELM...
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# [06:54] <@smaug> ok, I kick dougt
# [06:54] <@bz> smaug: er... lock?
# [06:54] <dougt> ouch?
# [06:54] <@smaug> bz: don't touch ELM unless I look at the code :)
# [06:55] <dougt> smaug: what do you need a lock for?
# [06:55] <dougt> i thought all of that was single threaded?
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# [06:56] <philor> okay, fess up, who's leaking on inbound?
# [06:56] <@smaug> dougt: I don't mean that sort of lock
# [06:56] <@smaug> dougt: I mean lock in hg... "this patch touches ELM, and doesn't have r=smaug" :p
# [06:56] <dougt> ah.
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# [06:57] <@bz> smaug: ah
# [06:57] <@smaug> dougt: so, the new things in RemoveEventListener are wrong
# [06:57] <@bz> smaug: ok, good
# [06:57] * @bz wonders who exactly decided to r= a patch to ELM....
# [06:58] <@bz> ah
# [06:58] <@smaug> dougt: you aren't handling the case when there are multiple event listeners
# [06:58] * @bz sighs
# [06:58] <philor> who's leaking at least once out of media/test/test_delay_load.html?
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# [06:59] <dougt> smaug: existing bug. I just added more types
# [06:59] <dougt> (or i am not following)
# [06:59] <dougt> can you file a bug?
# [06:59] <@bz> yeah, the old code was busted too
# [07:00] <@smaug> the old code isn't really old
# [07:00] <@bz> and the old code also didn't have reviews from anything resembling someone who knows this code
# [07:00] <@bz> fwiw
# [07:00] <dougt> smaug: yesterday you said 7 year old code was not that old
# [07:00] <@bz> In this case the "old" code is 5 months old
# [07:00] <@smaug> dougt: you reviewed the original broken code ;) http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/312306f72fa3
# [07:01] <philor> shit, inbound is busted at least twice over, maybe three times
# [07:01] * @bz mutters about there being no point to this whole business of module owners and peers if people don't bother asking them for reviews and just land stuff...
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# [07:01] <philor> and this nothing can be done about it Android feces all over the place is getting on my nerve
# [07:02] <philor> and Something Needs To Be Done about the way we have absolutely nobody who minds the tree during the US day
# [07:02] <dougt> smaug: since I still do not follow what the bug is wrt multiple listeners, i'll wait for the bug and avoid any further flogging.
# [07:02] <@bz> dougt: say 2 listeners are added and then one is removed
# [07:02] <@bz> dougt: what happens?
# [07:02] <dougt> i understand that.
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# [07:03] <@bz> ok, then what's the "do not follow" part about? ;)
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# [07:03] <@smaug> I'll file a bug yes
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# [07:04] <@bz> dougt: but seriously, could you guys please get review from someone who knows something about DOM code when changing it? :(
# [07:05] <dougt> this sort of thing is happen a lot. not an isolated case.
# [07:05] <@smaug> dougt: and if DOM peers are slow at reviewing, kick us hard.
# [07:06] <@bz> dougt: yes, that's the problem
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# [07:06] <@bz> yes
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# [07:06] <@bz> if the problem is review speed, please let me or smaug know
# [07:06] <@bz> Or mounir!
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# [07:07] <mounir> bz: you said someone who knows something about dom code, you must be mistaken ;)
# [07:07] <@dolske> even sparky would have caught that bug! :P
# [07:08] <@bz> mounir: do you know enough to redirect to smaug when asked to review a change to ELM?
# [07:08] <dougt> mounir: i ignore that.
# [07:08] <@bz> dolske: heh
# [07:08] <philor> anybody want to have an opinion about who in RyanVM's push broke dom/tests/mochitest/browser-frame/test_browserFrame5.html, or should I just take them all out?
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# [07:08] <@bz> philor: looking. inbound?
# [07:09] <mounir> bz: when I see "event" I think "smaug", so yes ;)
# [07:09] <luke> blarg, i was so close
# [07:09] <@bz> mounir: see? ;)
# [07:09] <philor> bz: yeah, the checkin-needed push right below yours
# [07:09] <@dolske> dom/tests? that's dougt, no? ;-)
# [07:09] <mounir> bz: in another hand, when I see "gecko" I think "bz" :)
# [07:09] <@bz> mounir: that's fine
# [07:09] <dougt> dolske: how do you test acceleration or orientation in our test automation?
# [07:09] <@bz> mounir: I'm happy to redirect things as needed! ;)
# [07:10] <@dolske> dougt: I'm imaginging a rack of Very Expensive Robots right now.
# [07:10] <philor> and could khuey be the start of the leak, or did it just start happening on him?
# [07:10] <sfink> every time there's an earthquake, tbpl goes orange...
# [07:10] <dougt> dolske: yeah.
# [07:10] <@bz> philor: on which os is this broken?
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# [07:11] <dougt> smaug: what is the bug number?
# [07:11] <philor> bz: WinXP M3 on RyanVM, Linux64 M3 on my backout
# [07:11] <@bz> philor: looking
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# [07:11] <@bz> philor: oh, intermittent?
# [07:11] <@smaug> dougt: bug 740252
# [07:11] <@bz> philor: none of those changesets look obviously related; reading diffs now
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# [07:12] <mounir> bz: btw, will you have time tomorrow to speak about form styling?
# [07:12] <@bz> mounir: Can try
# [07:13] <@bz> mounir: still lots of reviewing to do
# [07:13] <@bz> mounir: but we can also talk about that during lunch or on this boat thing, right?
# [07:13] <mounir> bz: ideally, I would like to have my list
# [07:13] <mounir> but I guess we can handle that at lunch for example
# [07:13] <@bz> philor: none of these look like obvious culprits. Not even the scary big mouse lock thing
# [07:13] <dougt> smaug: do you want to assign it to me, or are you going to clean up?
# [07:13] <@bz> mounir: ok, let's plan on that
# [07:14] <philor> and bustage number 3, bug 718316 has been gone since the end of February, and came back just now
# [07:14] <mounir> bz: arf oh... i might have a meeting tommorrow at lunch time :-/
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# [07:14] <philor> starting on that same checkin-needed push
# [07:14] <@smaug> dougt: if you could fix it
# [07:14] <dougt> smaug: we could also continue to call window->Disable* and ensure that the window only disables sensors when there are no further listeners.
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# [07:15] <Cork> is it posible to catch the websocket connection error in a page? http://fiddle.jshell.net/YNfM3/1/
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# [07:16] <@smaug> dougt: well, it is probably simpler to iterate rest of the listeners and disable the feature if there are no listeners for it
# [07:16] <@bz> or keep a counter on the window
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# [07:16] <philor> and Windows was jaw-droppingly green on the push before it
# [07:17] <@bz> mounir: ok. well, lemme look at schedule
# [07:17] <@bz> mounir: wanna just try to do it at 9am?
# [07:17] <@bz> mounir: before bent wakes up? ;)
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# [07:18] <mounir> bz: 9am would be fine with me but sicking said he might be interested
# [07:18] <mounir> I could send him an email and worst case, we can do that without him
# [07:19] <@smaug> hsivonen: are you awake already?
# [07:20] <@bz> mounir: ok
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# [07:21] <@bz> mounir: I guess we can also do it a bit later
# [07:21] <@bz> mounir: if that would be useful
# [07:21] <@bz> mounir: I'd sort of like to decide on a time, though, so I can plan review time around it
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# [07:21] <mounir> bz: would that be interesting to have dbaron with us?
# [07:21] <@bz> yes
# [07:21] <mounir> just to know who I send an email to
# [07:21] <@bz> actually, it would
# [07:21] <@bz> for the styling bits
# [07:22] <mounir> will send email now to them and you
# [07:23] <philor> humph: got a link to the last time you ran pointer lock on try handy?
# [07:24] <@bz> mounir: sounds good
# [07:26] <@bz> btw...
# [07:26] <@bz> (1000.96 KB, patch)
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# [07:27] <@smaug> that is...
# [07:27] <@smaug> not very small patch
# [07:27] <@bz> smaug: dombindings
# [07:27] <@bz> smaug: the parts we didn't manage to split out and preland
# [07:28] <@bz> smaug: about a third of that is the parser+tests....
# [07:28] <@bz> smaug: but still
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# [07:30] <philor> but since the zombie bug 718316 is now permaorange, something's coming out, maybe everything since the last time I reopened, which is rather ugly
# [07:31] <@bz> philor: :(
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# [07:32] <@smaug> bz: is the plan to get mainthread XHR working
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# [07:32] <@smaug> or also workers?
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# [07:33] <philor> bz: I know, but no reason to believe the new and frequent leak is caused by the push that I know has to come out, since it didn't happen on it
# [07:33] <@bz> smaug: yes
# [07:33] <philor> man I hate weekdays
# [07:33] <@bz> smaug: both
# [07:34] <@smaug> since if sicking needs to review some of the worker stuff...as jst expressed "smaug: your job tomorrow is to sit on him [sicking] until he's done reviewing"
# [07:34] <@smaug> I want my MutationObserver done :)
# [07:34] <@bz> smaug: yes
# [07:34] <@bz> smaug: heh
# [07:34] <@bz> smaug: what is it blocked on?
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# [07:34] <@smaug> sicking reviewing
# [07:34] <@bz> ugh
# [07:34] * @bz checks
# [07:34] <@smaug> he has reviewed probably 50% of it
# [07:35] <@bz> so yeah, sicking is supposed to review worker stuff
# [07:35] <@smaug> or perhaps even more
# [07:35] <@bz> he should finish up your review first
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# [07:36] <felipe> smaug: if chrome code adds an event listener to an element on a page, does that listener have to be removed, or will it go away when the page is navigated away?
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# [07:40] <@smaug> felipe: that listeners is removed when the event target is deleted/unlinked
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# [07:40] <@smaug> so, in general, it shouldn't cause bad cycle
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# [07:41] <felipe> smaug: ok good
# [07:42] <@dolske> grrrrrrr
# [07:42] <@dolske> I have a patch that has 1 _big_ chunk that isn't applying
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# [07:42] <@dolske> is there a way to get hg/patch to tell me more about where it starts going wrong?
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# [07:43] <@smaug> bz: anything I could review...
# [07:43] <@smaug> bz: those XHR changes are simple...and not JSAPI..
# [07:43] <@dolske> oh, wait, maybe it did. "Hunk #2 FAILED at 2061"
# [07:44] <@dolske> wonder exactly where "2061" is, given what Hunk #1 did.
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# [07:46] <@bz> smaug: gimme a min to upload an updated patch
# [07:46] <@smaug> bz: since I could review it tomorrow while waiting sicking to review...
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# [07:47] <luke> philor: any change for tree opening this evening?
# [07:47] <@bz> smaug: right
# [07:47] <philor> luke: you missed it, everyone landed their bustage already, I'm on to cleaning up a new mess
# [07:47] <luke> philor: ah, i just saw the backout
# [07:48] <luke> philor: guess i was lucky not to join in on the dogpile and subsequent un-pile
# [07:48] <philor> well, I can just blame the leak on khuey, back him out too, and then pretend any other bustage is not my problem, that might work
# [07:48] <luke> my patch adds a null check to fix a top and startup crash :)
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# [07:49] <@bz> smaug: so https://bug740069.bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=610374 has a list of who's reviewing what (the reviewer comes after the '|')
# [07:49] <@bz> smaug: minus the worker stuff that's all supposedly on sicking's plate
# [07:50] <@bz> smaug: If any of that looks interesting to you, I'm sure it could all use more eyes
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# [07:51] <@smaug> bz: I guess I could look at dom/base and content/ parts
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# [07:51] <@smaug> excluding some JSAPI
# [07:51] <@bz> smaug: ok
# [07:51] <@bz> smaug: sounds good
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# [07:53] <jaws> smaug: i've tried to fix bug 740252, please let me know how bad i did ;)
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# [07:55] <philor> luke: I'm absolutely certain I'll regret it, but we're open
# [07:56] <@bz> philor: hey, I get to stay in? Nice!
# [07:56] <@smaug> jaws: that approach wouldn't be good
# [07:56] <jaws> darn
# [07:56] <@smaug> jaws: adding 8 bytes to ELM
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# [07:56] <jaws> smaug: is it because of duplicate event handlers?
# [07:56] <jaws> oh ok
# [07:56] <philor> bz: yeah, I may regret that too, if you turn out to be the leak, but I'm betting hard on khuey
# [07:56] <@bz> philor: my patch leaking would be .... really od
# [07:56] <@bz> er, odd
# [07:56] <jaws> i thought duplicates were handled, didn't think the extra memory would cause a problem, but i guess it would
# [07:56] <@smaug> jaws: dougt has a patch
# [07:57] <@smaug> jaws: extra mem usage is bad if you increase the size of commonly used objects
# [07:58] <jaws> ooc, is any memory increase there scrutinized, or if i capped the integers at max of 255 would it have been accepted?
# [07:58] <jaws> yeah, i can understand that
# [07:58] <jaws> we're trying to take things in the opposite direction :)
# [07:59] <dougt> jaws: i think my approach is a bit more extendable.
# [07:59] <@smaug> (ELM has some spare bits hidden in the nsListenerStructs but using those for this thing would be quite ugly)
# [07:59] * jaws patiently waits to see dougt's approach :)
# [07:59] <dougt> it was on the bug before you posted yours :)
# [07:59] <jaws> orly?
# [07:59] <dougt> ya. by 1s
# [08:00] <jaws> hahaha
# [08:00] <@bz> 31.53 + NS_IMPL_CYCLE_COLLECTION_TRAVERSE_NATIVE_PTR(tmp->mNodeInfo, nsNodeInfo, "mNodeInfo")
# [08:00] <@bz> smaug: ^
# [08:00] <jaws> if i wouldn't have fixed my message it would have beat you :)
# [08:00] <@bz> smaug: will that do the right thing if tmp->mNodeInfo is refcounted?
# [08:00] <dougt> jaws: take a look what I am doing.
# [08:00] <@bz> and similarly.....
# [08:01] <@bz> 31.138 + cb.NoteNativeChild(name->NodeInfo(), &NS_CYCLE_COLLECTION_NAME(nsNodeInfo));
# [08:01] <jaws> dougt: yeah, i see that this is more extensible
# [08:01] <@smaug> bz: looking
# [08:01] <dougt> jaws: i have a few more device sensors landing at some point
# [08:01] <@smaug> what code is this about?
# [08:02] <@bz> smaug: reading through https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/b00bf7f3869c
# [08:02] <jaws> dougt: could you refactor the IsDeviceType function to put just return aType == NS_DEVICE_ORIENTATION || aType == NS_DEVICE_MOTION; ?
# [08:02] <luke> philor: bombs away!!
# [08:02] <@bz> smaug: the above were in the attrname code, iirc
# [08:02] <dougt> jaws: followup!
# [08:02] <@bz> smaug: and there are CC changes to nsNodeInfo too
# [08:02] <jaws> haha :)
# [08:02] <@smaug> ...hotel network decided to be slow...
# [08:03] <@bz> ok
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# [08:04] <@bz> g'night, all
# [08:04] <@smaug> bz: oh, yeah, should work
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# [08:04] <@bz_sleep> smaug: ok
# [08:04] <@bz_sleep> smaug: too bad!
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# [08:05] <heycam> if I've got an nsIDOMNode* and I want to get an nsIContent* from it, can I just static_cast it?
# [08:06] <@bz_sleep> heycam: no
# [08:06] <@bz_sleep> heycam: you need to QI
# [08:06] <heycam> bz_sleep, ok
# [08:06] <@bz_sleep> heycam: I propose avoiding having an nsIDOMNode in the first place
# [08:06] <@bz_sleep> heycam: and you might get null
# [08:06] <@bz_sleep> heycam: even legitimately (e.g. a Document is an nsIDOMNode but not an nsIContent)
# [08:06] <heycam> oh, interesting
# [08:06] <heycam> like XHR parsed documents or something?
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# [08:07] <@bz_sleep> well, any Document
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# [08:07] <@bz_sleep> nsIContent basically means Element or CharacterData
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# [08:07] <@bz_sleep> in spec terms
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# [08:08] <@bz_sleep> so things you'd actuall find as kids of other nodes
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# [08:08] <heycam> ah ok
# [08:08] * heycam has always been confused about content vs dom distinction
# [08:09] <@bz_sleep> in the gecko source?
# [08:09] <@bz_sleep> it's a silly distinction
# [08:09] <@bz_sleep> imo
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# [08:09] <@smaug> it is
# [08:09] <@smaug> and we're slowly moving away from it
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# [08:11] <GPHemsley> philor: Are you still around?
# [08:11] <philor> GPHemsley: yep
# [08:11] <GPHemsley> Can you walk me through what this test problem is?
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# [08:12] <philor> GPHemsley: not really, because I never knew what the test was doing, all I know are the pretty pictures in the log, where one textarea has a focus outline and another doesn't
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# [08:12] <GPHemsley> philor: Is that in the full log?
# [08:13] <philor> hoping to blame humph for it seems like a pretty fair strategy to me :)
# [08:13] <GPHemsley> :)
# [08:13] <philor> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=10457011&tree=Mozilla-Inbound
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# [08:14] <GPHemsley> oh, didn't see the data: URLs
# [08:15] <philor> I don't really entirely suspect you, but with multiple inexplicable failures on that push, everybody needed to come out
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# [08:15] <GPHemsley> yeah, I doubt it's me... my code only affects a single context menu
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# [08:18] <philor> lemme find a clean tree and push you to try, we'll have a nice defense for you by morning
# [08:19] <GPHemsley> ok
# [08:19] <GPHemsley> thanks
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# [08:19] <GPHemsley> (I was gonna try to figure it out for myself... I think I have level 2 access)
# [08:19] <GPHemsley> (no pun intended)
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# [08:20] <glandium> romaxa: I vote for flags problem
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# [08:22] <romaxa> glandium: remind me, which flag problem?
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# [08:24] <glandium> romaxa: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1542164
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# [08:31] <GPHemsley> philor: I pushed this to try: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=34db65aca0e5 (not sure if it'll be enough for the aforementioned problem, but FYI)
# [08:32] <philor> GPHemsley: I went a lot more aggressive with https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=a81db845ed05 - I figure the best defense is every single test possible on every single platform
# [08:33] <GPHemsley> philor: That's cool. Different goals, double coverage in some areas. :)
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# [08:36] <jamesAtx> I joined this room to see about finding information on the Google Summer of Code. Is this the right place?
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# [08:38] <glandium> romaxa: http://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc-help/2012-02/msg00082.html ; in all likeliness, it's your use of hard-float ; your toolchain probably comes with soft-float libgcc.a and crt*.o
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# [08:40] <GPHemsley> philor: This is actually good for me, as I'm learning everything at once. :P
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# [08:41] <philor> 1. How to get a patch landed. 2. How to get a patch relanded.
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# [08:41] <GPHemsley> 3. How to use try. :)
# [08:41] <KWierso> in that order
# [08:42] <GPHemsley> heh
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# [08:42] <philor> KWierso: hey, it's Mr. Green Tests!
# [08:42] <KWierso> philor: :)
# [08:43] <philor> will you be around next Monday?
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# [08:43] <mib_binin0> I joined this room to see about finding information on the Google Summer of Code. Is this the right place?
# [08:43] <KWierso> maybe
# [08:43] <philor> and less knowable, will anyone be pushing to the jetpack repo?
# [08:43] <KWierso> mib_binin0: that maybe wasn't for you :)
# [08:44] <glandium> bz: we're not alone https://github.com/mozilla/BrowserQuest/issues/31
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# [08:44] <KWierso> philor: I'm stuck in a hotel through at least saturday due to a death in the family. not sure if we'll be done with everything related before next week.
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# [08:45] <GPHemsley> Alrighty, folks. I'm off to bed. Thanks for your help, philor (et al.). :)
# [08:45] <KWierso> philor: there should be a new SDK rc build pushed to some server tomorrow, not sure if anything's going to the master branch in github, though
# [08:45] <KWierso> and then 1.6 ships next tuesday, so work will begin on 1.7
# [08:45] <KWierso> I'm sure something will be landing
# [08:46] <philor> okay, I'll find a time to land my untrustworthy ftp scraper sometime later
# [08:46] <mib_binin0> I joined this room to see about finding information on the Google Summer of Code. Is this the right place?
# [08:47] <KWierso> philor: warner's taking over my job until I'm back to work, try pinging him tomorrow to coordinate?
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# [08:48] <philor> KWierso: thanks, but the day before shipping isn't a good choice, and it needs to be when I can back out after a push shows I screwed up, so I'll put it off a bit longer
# [08:48] <glob> mib_binin0, https://wiki.mozilla.org/SummerOfCode#2012
# [08:49] <KWierso> philor: works for me
# [08:49] <KWierso> naptime for me, also :)
# [08:49] <KWierso> ttyle
# [08:49] <KWierso> s/e//
# [08:52] <jamesAtx> I joined this room to see about finding information on the Google Summer of Code. Is this the right place? Yes no maybe...please
# [08:53] <glob> jamesAtx, https://wiki.mozilla.org/Community:SummerOfCode12
# [08:53] <glob> jamesAtx, this is a good place to discuss your ideas and application (however it may not be the best time)
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# [08:54] <jamesAtx> Thanks for replying. I will come back tomorrow.
# [08:55] <glob> jamesAtx, it's probably worth raising your ideas now
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# [08:59] <mib_binin0> There was a project from the ideas page for documentation. It was HTML, CSS, and some JavaScript. I have tried other channels but have not found anyone to contact. It seemed like something fitting my skill level
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# [09:31] <@dolske> maybe I just need to clobber, this tree was stale...
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# [10:04] <glandium> glazou: i'm not, but i know some things about some korean layouts (there are several)
# [10:05] <glazou> glandium: I have a IME bug in bluegriffon about character 설
# [10:05] <glazou> as far as I understand, I insert it on windows using sequentially t j and then f keys
# [10:05] <glazou> is that correct ?
# [10:05] <glandium> yes
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# [10:06] <glazou> hmmm, thanks glandium
# [10:06] <glazou> guy complains about a difference between 2bul and 3bul
# [10:07] <glazou> pretty complex :(
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# [10:13] <glandium> glazou: what kind of difference? 2bul and 3bul are different layouts
# [10:13] <glazou> glandium: http://bugzilla.bluegriffon.org/show_bug.cgi?id=399
# [10:15] <glandium> glazou: okay, so what you've been typing is with 2bul. You need to find the 3bul layout for windows. no idea if it's provided by default
# [10:16] <glazou> ok looking, thanks
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# [10:17] <glandium> glazou: could be called sebulsik
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# [10:18] <glandium> or sebeolsik, depending on transcription
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# [10:19] <glandium> glazou: fwiw, in 3bul, 설 would be qty
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# [10:20] <glazou> ok thanks
# [10:21] <glazou> thanks a lot even :)
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# [10:29] <NeilAway> glandium: hmm, he looks like he got stuck... I haven't been able to move at all :s
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# [10:31] <glandium> NeilAway: oh you too ?
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# [10:35] <NeilAway> glandium: I have two builds in which I can at least connect... I see other players moving but I get no response when I click
# [10:35] <glandium> NeilAway: same here
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# [10:35] <glandium> NeilAway: bz has the same problem, and he has it in chrome, too
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# [10:45] <glandium> glazou: did you check in the ime settings?
# [10:45] <glazou> yes
# [10:47] <glazou> oooh found it
# [10:47] <glazou> holly cow, that's too well hidden in windows
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# [10:49] <@roc> mapsGL is working really well for me these days
# [10:50] <glandium> glazou: where was it?
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# [10:51] <glazou> when you select a keyboard : Korean > Microsoft IME then select that Microsoft IME and open the properties ; they call it 3 Beolsik 390 or Final btw
# [10:52] <glazou> btw, that's not qty on 3bul but ntw apparently
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# [10:54] <glandium> glazou: fwiw, 3 is se in korean, and eo and u are different transcriptions for the same korean character, so it can be called 3bul, 3bulsik, sebulsik, sebul, sebeol, sebeolsik, etc.
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# [11:20] <Ms2ger> dao, ping
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# [11:38] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/8ebd1b1aede1 - Dão Gottwald - Backed out changeset 36d7b3b02016
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# [11:42] <NeilAway> oops, his new test failed ;-)
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# [11:44] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/93f86e0dd442 - Dão Gottwald - Bug 724599 - r=gavin,neil
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# [11:49] <Ms2ger> "Firefox is not loading addons at this destination, Iowa City, Iowa, USA."
# [11:49] <Ms2ger> Nice
# [11:50] <hsivonen> Ms2ger: ???
# [11:50] <Ms2ger> http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/developers/20120328#l-2933
# [11:50] <Ms2ger> webmaster@m.o email
# [11:51] <hsivonen> I see
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# [12:41] <edmorley> Ms2ger: good morning :-)
# [12:41] <Ms2ger> Good afternoon, edmorley :)
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# [13:04] <@roc> I'm leaking 4 instances of nsTArray_base
# [13:04] <@roc> :-(
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# [13:04] <@roc> how on earth am I going to find this?
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# [13:37] <Ms2ger> Some patch that used it
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# [13:50] <edmorley> ha http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/developers/20120329#l-649
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# [13:53] <@roc> reading Agatha Christie puts me in the right frame of mind for debugging
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# [14:21] <kaie> I want to test something around automatic update. How can I force FF to automatically soon after start? Should it be sufficient to set app.update.lastUpdateTime.background-update-timer to a lower value?
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# [14:25] <kaie> ok that seems to work
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# [14:27] <firebot> mayhemer was last seen 36 hours, 18 minutes and 16 seconds ago, saying 'RyanVM: ok' in #developers.
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# [14:30] <Ms2ger> Who knows about the mfbt hashish stuff? jlebar|away?
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# [14:31] <bhearsum> mfbt hashish?
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# [14:31] <Ms2ger> Nice
# [14:31] <Ms2ger> Hashing
# [14:31] <bhearsum> aaaaaah
# [14:31] <johanc> Is it possible to disable the "reset" menuitem under about:config for a complexValue pref somehow? I'm guessing no but, just asking in case :)
# [14:32] <bhearsum> freudian slip?
# [14:32] <Ms2ger> A rather strange one for mother
# [14:32] <Ms2ger> *sure
# [14:32] <bhearsum> hehe
# [14:33] <Ms2ger> johanc, it's software, it can be fixed ;)
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# [14:36] <johanc> I'm building a sumersible rocket.
# [14:36] <johanc> or otherwise hide the preferences
# [14:36] <Ms2ger> Fascinating
# [14:36] <johanc> Isn't it :)
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# [14:52] <@bsmedberg> checking for application to build... none
# [14:52] <@bsmedberg> configure: error: --enable-application value not recognized (i386/build.mk does not exist).
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# [14:54] <@bsmedberg> MOZ_OBJDIR=/builds/mozilla-central/ff-universal MOZ_MAKE_FLAGS=-j6 MOZCONFIG=/builds/mozilla-central/src/build/macosx/universal/mozconfig make -f client.mk
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# [15:32] <Optimizer> ttaubert: Hi
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# [15:33] <ttaubert> Optimizer: hey
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# [15:35] <Optimizer> Can both the behaviors be implemented ? inserting is there, but the way it is implemented, it should really be replacing. So a proper replacing behavior needs to be implemented
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# [15:36] <ttaubert> Optimizer: it's definitely possible to implement both but it's hard to tell when to insert and when to replace sites
# [15:37] <Optimizer> I replied in the comment
# [15:37] <Optimizer> if the drag is in between two thumbnails, then its inserting, if it is on some thumbnail, then it is replacing
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# [15:39] <Optimizer> and we can have some visual indicator to hint the user that whether his action will replace or insert the being dropped link
# [15:39] <ttaubert> Optimizer: hmm that sounds hard to communicate from the UX side, that would be a lot of sites jumping around based on just a few pixels different drag position
# [15:39] <Optimizer> inserting hint is as of now well implemented, replacing hint can be a subtle highlight of red color on the would be replaced thumb
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# [15:40] <Optimizer> no, currently, the inserting behavior is implemented
# [15:40] <Optimizer> we would not touch it
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# [15:40] <Optimizer> just that when the dropped link mouse coordinates are inside a thumb, then perform replacing action
# [15:42] <ttaubert> I'm not sure I like choosing the action based on the cursor position. we could add something like a shift/strg/cmd/opt modifier but that's really not discoverable at all...
# [15:43] <glandium> is there an env variable that makes the main process not drop listening on the pipe to the plugin container after a while ?
# [15:43] <sheppy> Anybody know (or happen to be) a good WordPress plugin author? I have need of one for devmo.
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# [15:44] <Optimizer> ttaubert: look at how bookmarks dragging is implemented, if you drag a link/folder over another folder, it would mean to go inside it,
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# [15:44] <Optimizer> and when beside it, then it would mean inserting besides the folder
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# [15:45] <ttaubert> Optimizer: but that's only possible because they don't have static positions. that's more dynamic than the nine places the new tab page offers
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# [15:45] <Optimizer> hmm, but replacing action is pretty much important action
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# [15:45] <Optimizer> suppose some page needs to be replaced with an updated one
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# [15:50] <givanica> hy. I have a question. So in order to modify the interface of the browser, the XUL , javascript, and what else i need, i have to compile the browser ?
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# [15:51] <ttaubert> Optimizer: I know, both actions are important. some people expect "replace" to be the default. some expect "insert". I'd like to offer both.
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# [15:52] <ttaubert> givanica: XUL pages, the javascript and CSS files are stored assembled into an "omni.ja" file. So you might need to re-compile only some parts of the browser (depends on what you modified).
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# [15:53] <givanica> and for every new change to the code i have to recompile ...
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# [15:53] <Optimizer> ttaubert: So can something be done to integrate replacing action as well ?
# [15:53] <ttaubert> givanica: what files did you modify?
# [15:54] <Optimizer> givanica: subsequent recompilations take only 5-10 minutes
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# [15:54] <ttaubert> I'm almost sure though givanica doesn't need to recompile everything :)
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# [15:55] <Optimizer> what i do sometimes is find the exact file and just edit it, restart the browser
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# [15:55] <ttaubert> Optimizer: sure, let's discuss your suggestion in the bug. I may not like it too much (for now) but I want to hear some more opinions on this. I'm open to implement replacing sites if we can offer this with a clear UI and/or a clear behavior.
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# [15:56] <Optimizer> ttaubert: in that bug only ? maybe change the name then
# [15:56] <ttaubert> Optimizer: or on the mailing list or wherever :) but something more persistent than IRC
# [15:58] <Optimizer> we can discuss on the bug itself, lets change the name to something which hints to add a replacing feature in new tab page
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# [16:00] <ttaubert> Optimizer: done
# [16:00] <Optimizer> ttaubert: great, lets see what shorlander , Asa have to say in it
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# [16:23] <NeilAway> bah, my mozillaquest sounds aren't loading because they're being served as text/html
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# [16:25] <Ms2ger> paul, ^
# [16:26] <paul> NeilAway: awesome!
# [16:26] <paul> NeilAway: we didn't get the time to figure out what was going on
# [16:26] <paul> NeilAway: thank you :)
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# [16:28] <glandium> paul: it's clearly written in the web console, that text/html is not supported for audio ;)
# [16:28] <glandium> NeilAway: can you move now ?
# [16:29] <NeilAway> glandium: actually my browser has frozen this time, I can't even load it
# [16:29] <paul> glandium: we didn't get the time to actually look at the problem
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# [16:31] <NeilAway> glandium: heh, there's four of us just standing in the same area ;-)
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# [16:32] <glandium> NeilAway: i'm not trying
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# [16:33] <jesup> glandium: were you working on jemalloc?
# [16:33] <glandium> jesup: i still am, why?
# [16:33] <jesup> Could be due to soemthing random, but: #2 0x000000000041280f in arena_run_reg_dalloc (run=0x7fffe3d20000, bin=0x7ffff7ed7838, ptr=0x7fffe3d23570, size=256) at ../../../memory/jemalloc/jemalloc.c:3291
# [16:33] <jesup> 3291 assert(diff == regind * size);
# [16:33] <Ms2ger> WebRTC is pulling in another copy?
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# [16:34] <jesup> Ms2ger: nah, we don't want to go over 1m lines :-)
# [16:35] <Ms2ger> Too late for that, no? :)
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# [16:35] <glandium> jesup: a common problem with jemalloc is when you try to free() a pointer that is not exactly what malloc returned
# [16:35] <glandium> like free((char *)malloc(2) + 2) is likely to break
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# [16:36] <@smaug> hey, where did that 30min go
# [16:36] <KaiRo> paul: on my tablet's XUL Nightly, I cannot move unless I tap at the very border of the map - things worked fine with the internal prototype, so I guess it's some kind of regression - could be a regression of Nightly, though
# [16:36] <jesup> diff = 13424 regind = 52 size = 256 elm = 32767 regind*size = 13312
# [16:37] <jesup> glandium: yes - I should check the bt. If that's the 'normal' cause of this, should we promote that assertion to something more descriptive?
# [16:38] <Ms2ger> smaug, man, where did this 5 hours go? :)
# [16:38] <jesup> even a comment on the line will show up in GDB :-)
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# [16:39] <jesup> glandium: Well, it's deleting 'this' at the end of a ~foo(). Seems unlikely to be modified...
# [16:39] <glandium> jesup: the problem is that it's not an assertion about that specifically. the fact is jemalloc assumes things about pointers it is passed, and depending on that, it may fail in different ways
# [16:39] <@khuey> wait, you're deleting this in a dtor?
# [16:39] <@khuey> that's ... undesirable
# [16:39] <glandium> jesup: then another likely possibility is mismatched allocator.
# [16:39] <Ms2ger> What khuey said
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# [16:40] <jesup> no, automatic delete operator
# [16:40] <@khuey> oh
# [16:40] <jesup> not explicit
# [16:40] <@khuey> ok
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# [16:41] <Ms2ger> virtual dtor?
# [16:41] <glandium> is there any, really, any easy way i can stop the main process screwing with the child process when i'm debugging it (like, not killing it)
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# [16:42] <jesup> ok, WTF: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1543440
# [16:42] <jesup> I am so changing this....
# [16:44] * jesup didn't write that
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# [16:44] <Ms2ger> That's what they all say, dear
# [16:44] <@khuey> heh
# [16:45] <@khuey> and people think refcounting is bad
# [16:45] <Ms2ger> I believe khuey would claim he didn't write dom/workers
# [16:46] <@khuey> I didn't
# [16:46] <Ms2ger> :)
# [16:46] <@khuey> bent is responsible for that
# [16:46] <@khuey> blame will tell you so
# [16:46] <Ms2ger> Sure
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# [16:49] <froydnj> jesup: wtf is that code
# [16:49] <glandium> the ipc code is such a mess
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# [16:50] <NeilAway> glandium: well, at the time, there were for players who appeared to be unable to move
# [16:51] <NeilAway> paul: do you try to assign to the data of a canvas rendering context at all?
# [16:51] <Ms2ger> s/ipc//
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# [16:52] <jesup> froydnj: part of sipcc (media/webrtc/signaling), open-sourced MPL SIP stack from Cisco. We have the Cisco engineers to fix it, though :-)
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# [16:52] <froydnj> jesup: lovely
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# [16:53] <Ms2ger> Enjoy the million lines of semi-working code
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# [16:53] <@khuey> yeah ... webrtc is going to be fun
# [16:53] <Ms2ger> NeilAway, but that's what the cool kids do!
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# [16:54] <jesup> yes
# [16:54] <NeilAway> Ms2ger: yeah, but makes JS stacks useless :-(
# [16:54] <jesup> froydnj: ?
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# [16:54] <froydnj> jesup: bug 740015
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# [16:55] <jesup> I'm much more worried about the webrtc.org code which is under fast changes. The Cisco code is mature and used in a ton of things; not that it can't have (and does have) bugs, given the complexity of SIP
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# [16:55] <Ms2ger> I hate this storage stuff
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# [16:56] <glandium> bsmedberg: ping
# [16:56] <Ms2ger> So nsDOMStorage2 has a nsDOMStorage
# [16:57] <jesup> froydnj: sipcc is static (thrown over the wall, no updates from upstream expected). webrtc: I wrote an automatic import script that even handles directory moves (which they do)
# [16:57] <@bsmedberg> glandium: pong
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# [16:57] <Ms2ger> An nsDOMStorage has a DOMStorageBase
# [16:58] <Ms2ger> I wonder what DOMStorageBase has
# [16:58] <glandium> bsmedberg: how can i stop the main process from killing the child process while i'm debugging it? relatedly, how do i stop the main process from giving up on waiting for ipc messages from the child while i'm debugging it?
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# [16:58] <Ms2ger> Oh, an nsTHashtable, even
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# [16:59] <@bsmedberg> glandium: I think those are the same question. Is this a plugin process?
# [16:59] <glandium> bsmedberg: yes, it's flash
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# [17:00] <@bsmedberg> dom.ipc.plugins.timeoutSecs = 0
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# [17:00] <glandium> bsmedberg: thanks
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# [17:00] <froydnj> jesup: are you importing the webrtc and leaving it alone, or are there mozilla-side changes to it being made that are not contributed upstream?
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# [17:01] <jesup> We're making changes to get it to work in our system. We contribute back non-mozilla-specific stuff
# [17:01] <jesup> My update script also strips the 40MB video test files, etc :-)
# [17:02] <froydnj> heh. do you just keep a patch queue which is applied on imports, then?
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# [17:03] <froydnj> wow, webkit's changelogs-in-commit-messages are even more useless than straight changelogs
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# [17:03] <glandium> bsmedberg: I'm still getting SIGPIPE on sendmsg in the child
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# [17:05] <jesup> No, I have a sequence of merges in an import repo, but the final merge is to pull that repo into media/webrtc/trunk and handle any conflicts. The design was to include that, but in practice we've landed changes directly on media/webrtc/trunk. We could redo it before actual import, however, and overall changes to their code are minor if you discount added files (like the gyp->mozilla-makefile bac
# [17:05] <jesup> kend)
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# [17:06] <jesup> "include that" -> include a tag in the import repo with our patches only to merge onto imported (and stripped of junk) code
# [17:06] <jesup> grand plans, and all that. :-/
# [17:07] <glandium> bsmedberg: okay, got it to be helpful with dom.ipc.plugins.processLaunchTimeoutSecs too
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# [17:36] <mak> philor: is there a reason to not merge?
# [17:36] <mak> or just it didn't happen?
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# [17:39] <philor> mak: there's one unstarred unknown unfiled failure, which is one of the ones I'd hoped I'd backed out last night, but other than that and the Android bustage at the tip, I don't know of a reason not to
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# [17:40] <mak> "one" unstarred unknown failure? hey, it's an improvement then :)
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# [17:42] <mbrubeck> mak: I was just about to ask the same thing. d3cc19901240 looks reasonable to merge...
# [17:42] <mak> mbrubeck: agree
# [17:42] <mak> you do, me do? we can then cooperate on marking
# [17:43] <mbrubeck> sure... can you push the merge? I'll mark starting from the tip
# [17:43] <mak> ok
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# [17:46] <mak> mbrubeck: done, starting from bottom
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# [17:48] <ewong> does anyone know if Neil Deakin frequents irc, and if so, what his nick is?
# [17:48] <mak> ewong: Enn
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# [17:48] <ewong> mak thanks!
# [17:49] <ewong> !seen enn
# [17:49] <firebot> enn was last seen 2 days, 19 hours, 6 minutes and 14 seconds ago, saying 'don't know. that's what I'm asking' in #fx-team.
# [17:49] <mbrubeck> mak: done!
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# [17:50] <mak> mbrubeck: wt.... do you have a script?
# [17:50] <philor> mbrubeck: I actually filed a separate bug for robopan non-zero return code
# [17:50] <mbrubeck> mak: nope!
# [17:50] <mbrubeck> philor: oh, okay
# [17:50] <mak> mbrubeck: so, are you a bugzilla bot?
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# [17:50] <philor> ninja, not bot
# [17:50] <mbrubeck> I think I can mark merged bugs in my sleep by now...
# [17:50] * mak feels it's time to retire
# [17:51] <mak> philor: we may go fishing, do you know some good river?
# [17:51] <philor> indeed I do
# [17:51] <mbrubeck> Hit the "(edit)" link next to the Status field at the top, press "R", middle-click in the comment box to paste (I'm on Linux), click Save
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# [17:51] <Ms2ger> Maybe fish in the rice fields?
# [17:52] <mak> Ms2ger: I did once, nice catfishes
# [17:52] <mak> and some small carp
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# [17:52] <jhammel> a load of carp?
# [17:53] <Ms2ger> Just some
# [17:53] <Ms2ger> OTOH, he gets to fish enough carp in inbound
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# [17:54] <mak> mbrubeck: yeah, you have the record, I spend to much time checking if the bug is in a sane state :)
# [17:54] <mbrubeck> mak: Oh wait, I didn't notice that the change to elide on TBPL is deployed (!)
# [17:54] <mbrubeck> no wonder the merge looked so short
# [17:54] <mak> disqualified!
# [17:54] <mbrubeck> looks like I have more work to do. :D
# [17:55] <gcp_> https://testpilot.mozillalabs.com/testcases/firefox-plugin-memory-consumption.html
# [17:55] <gcp_> (the page seems to misrender in nightly)
# [17:55] <gcp_> do I read this correctly that google updater boosts our memory usage by 150M?
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# [17:57] <derf> So, what happens if a webpage with a (non-mixed-content) https origin opens a WebSocket via http?
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# [17:58] <Ms2ger> derf, mitm
# [17:58] <Ms2ger> Or an error
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# [17:59] <derf> Ms2ger: Yes, that is the question.
# [18:00] <Ms2ger> "If secure is false but the origin of the entry script has a scheme component that is itself a secure protocol, e.g. HTTPS, then throw a SecurityError exception."
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# [18:00] <Ms2ger> There you go
# [18:00] <derf> Thanks.
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# [18:02] <mbrubeck> mak: Okay, looks like we're done for real now. :)
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# [18:19] <askalski> hi
# [18:19] <askalski> is there something like ccache for windows, or should I just remove this line from .mozconfig?
# [18:19] <askalski> I am doing tests on windows
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# [18:22] <avih> roc: hey :) could you please have a look at my aurora approval request (but 737758 comment 34), and see if my risk assessment is reasonable?
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# [18:26] <@ehsan> just did
# [18:26] <smontagu> ta
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# [18:55] <jwir3> how do I go about requesting approval for a backout of a patch from beta?
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# [18:56] <Ms2ger> Prepare a backout patch, put it on bugzilla, set the flag?
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# [19:22] <joe> bent: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=636870
# [19:23] <joe> bjacob: ^^
# [19:23] <joe> we blacklist opengl now right?
# [19:23] <joe> bjacob: perhaps bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=650479 should be reenabled?
# [19:23] <joe> er reopened
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# [19:27] <bjacob> joe: we dont block opengl;
# [19:27] <bjacob> jeff talkign to me, sorry
# [19:27] <joe> wha really?
# [19:27] <joe> i thought we did
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# [19:28] <joe> definitely bent's laptop has webgl disabled
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# [19:29] <bjacob> joe: no. on optimus, we can't use angle rendering because that uses d3d9 which uses the intel card, while d3d10 rendering uses the nvidia card, iirc
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# [19:29] <joe> yep
# [19:29] <joe> instacrash
# [19:29] <bjacob> joe: the solution to fix that will be:
# [19:29] <bjacob> joe: angle d3d11 backend
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# [19:29] <joe> well
# [19:29] <joe> people can force on newer drivers
# [19:29] <joe> so if we use those newer drivers
# [19:29] <joe> err if we can test and detect
# [19:29] <joe> we can use angle d3d9
# [19:29] <jwir3> should I request review for a backout patch? or just approval?
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# [19:30] <bjacob> joe: are you saying that on newer drivers we could force d3d9 to use nvidia?
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# [19:30] <joe> bjacob: all I'm saying is that people can force-enable webgl
# [19:30] <joe> and it works
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# [19:30] <joe> whereas it used to crash immediately
# [19:30] <Ms2ger> jwir3, did someone sign off your m-c backout?
# [19:30] <bent> s/people/bent at least/
# [19:30] <joe> heh
# [19:30] <joe> bent + vlad
# [19:30] <bjacob> joe: i prefer the current solution of using opengl
# [19:30] <joe> end of exhaustive list
# [19:30] <bjacob> joe: we want to do more of that, anyway
# [19:30] <joe> bjacob: i wonder why bent's laptop won't use native GL
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# [19:31] <joe> bent: can you pastebin your about:support?
# [19:31] <bjacob> joe: does it have optimus?
# [19:31] <Ms2ger> joe, += me
# [19:31] <jwir3> Ms2ger: No, I'm just going to back out of beta. Because it's too late to get a fix in. Other releases will remain with the patch in
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# [19:31] <bent> joe, one sec
# [19:31] <Ms2ger> jwir3, I'd r?, then
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# [19:31] <jwir3> Ms2ger: Just to clarify, noone has approved it yet - that's the plan, to request approval for beta
# [19:31] <BenWa> The MOZ_COUNT_CTOR stuff is checked in debug tinderbox test runs correct?
# [19:31] <jwir3> ms2ger: ok
# [19:31] <Ms2ger> BenWa, sure should
# [19:31] <jwir3> Ms2ger: Thanks
# [19:31] <Ms2ger> Np
# [19:31] <bjacob> joe: opengl is the future anyway :) we should do the nvx interop to make the opengl path fast
# [19:31] <BenWa> ok great, I suspect an object may be leaking so I'm going to add MOZ_COUNT_CTOR to it
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# [19:32] <bent> joe, BenWa, http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1543788
# [19:32] <bent> er
# [19:32] <bent> BenWa, sorry
# [19:32] <bent> bjacob, ^
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# [19:34] <bjacob> bent: do you have any gfx.blacklist.* prefs? if yes, reset them. if no, i guess that's a bug in our blacklisting code with dual gpus
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# [19:35] <bjacob> oh
# [19:35] <bjacob> i think i know
# [19:35] <bent> bjacob, no, no blacklist prefs
# [19:35] <bjacob> so
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# [19:35] <bjacob> we want to use OpenGL because of Optimus, but we detect a Intel GPU and therefore blacklist OpenGL
# [19:36] <bjacob> i'd have to verify this, at this point that's just a theory
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# [19:36] <joe> bent: so! welcome to the life of the graphics team :)
# [19:37] <bent> heh
# [19:37] <bent> so this is something new?
# [19:37] <bjacob> yep
# [19:37] <bjacob> bent: can you webgl.force-enable and re-post about:support?
# [19:37] <bent> i do have two prefs that are custom somehow
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# [19:37] <bent> gfx.content.azure.enabled;false
# [19:37] <bent> gfx.direct3d.prefer_10_1;true
# [19:37] <bent> dunno why
# [19:37] <bjacob> not relevant
# [19:37] <bent> ok
# [19:38] <bjacob> me neither
# [19:38] <bent> i'll force and repost
# [19:38] <bjacob> if my theory is true, you'll get WebGL Renderer = your NVIDIA OpenGL driver
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# [19:39] <bent> bjacob, http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1543792
# [19:39] <joe> yeah, and if bjacob's theory is incorrect, we should all quit and become bricklayers
# [19:39] <joe> aaahhhh angle
# [19:39] <joe> noooo
# [19:39] <bjacob> joe: on the Intel GPU!!!
# [19:39] <bent> bricklayers!
# [19:39] <joe> bricklayers it is
# [19:39] <bjacob> so
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# [19:40] <bjacob> bent: looks like you're completely on the Intel GPU atm?
# [19:40] <bjacob> bent: how does Optimus decide to switch GPUs?
# [19:41] <joe> by sacrificing goats I believe
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# [19:41] <bent> bjacob, nvidia has a control panel that lets you choose which adapter is used, i think
# [19:41] <bent> but it has some internal smarts to pick itself
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# [19:41] <bent> in "default" mode
# [19:41] <bent> er, "auto-select"
# [19:42] <bjacob> how does it auto select?
# [19:42] <bjacob> can we influence it?
# [19:42] <bent> i have no idea
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# [19:42] <bjacob> we just figured it out on Mac...
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# [19:43] <bent> it has the ability to download configuration data from nvidia for specific programs i think
# [19:43] <askalski> hi everyone, can someone assist me with a dumb windows compile problem?
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# [19:43] <bent> but it doesn't seem to have any special config for firefox
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# [19:44] <@khuey> askalski: hi
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# [19:44] <bjacob> bent: that's confirming that it's as crappy as I feared :/
# [19:45] <bjacob> i guess we'll have to content ourselves with not crashing on optimus
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# [19:46] <askalski> khuey, mk_add_options MOZ_OBJDIR=@TOPSRCDIR@/obj-ff-dbg
# [19:46] <@khuey> yes
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# [19:55] <bent> bjacob,
# [19:55] <bent> Specifically, it sends a signal to power-on the GPU when it finds the following three call types:
# [19:55] <bent> - DX Calls: Any 3D game engine or DirectX application will trigger these calls
# [19:55] <bent> - DXVA Calls: Video playback will trigger these calls (DXVA = DirectX Video Acceleration)
# [19:55] <bent> - CUDA Calls: CUDA applications will trigger these calls
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# [19:56] <bjacob> bent: that contradicts our facts: about:support says you have layers acceleration working using d3d10 calls, so according to this, it should use the discrete GPU
# [19:57] <bjacob> oh
# [19:57] <bjacob> so
# [19:57] <bent> well, i think this doc is saying that it magically does this behind the scenes
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# [19:57] <bjacob> it's using the discrete GPU for layers accel and Intel for WebGL/angle/d3d9. makes sense, that's consistent with our experience
# [19:58] <bjacob> yeah i see
# [19:58] <bjacob> sp
# [19:58] <bjacob> so
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# [19:58] <bjacob> we need to choose the OpenGL path as soon as we see optimus
# [19:58] <bjacob> please file a bug, assign to me
# [19:58] <bent> btw, reading from http://www.nvidia.com/object/LO_optimus_whitepapers.html
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# [19:59] <bent> bjacob, that also talks about the 'profile' things, config files
# [19:59] <bjacob> title "WebGL disabled on optimus, and force-enabling doesn't use OpenGL"
# [19:59] <bjacob> thanks
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# [19:59] <bjacob> link to that from the bug
# [19:59] <bent> you want my about:support things in there too?
# [19:59] <bent> or is the summary enough?
# [19:59] <bjacob> about:support with and without webgl force-enable
# [19:59] <bjacob> from your pastebins
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# [20:10] <gavin> let's say that I had an imap mailbox large enough that both mail.app and thunderbird fail to open it
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# [20:11] <gavin> what other client might I try?
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# [20:11] <Ms2ger> emacs
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# [20:15] <jhammel> mutt
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# [20:17] <armenzg_mtg> khuey: is this work from Larch?
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# [20:17] <@khuey> armenzg_mtg: it will be, yes
# [20:18] <armenzg_mtg> khuey: I replied on the thread. I can keep it running the old tp in mozilla-central and larch
# [20:18] <armenzg_mtg> I said mozilla-inbound if that helps
# [20:18] <@khuey> armenzg_mtg: ok, awesome
# [20:18] <armenzg_mtg> khuey: sweet :)
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# [20:24] <bent> bjacob, did i leave anything out? bug 740503
# [20:24] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/92fe907ddac8 - Serge Gautherie - Bug 735810. (Cv3) Stop trying to package MSVC dlls when WIN32_REDIST_DIR isn't set. r=(khuey, ted.mielczarek).
# [20:24] <bjacob> bent: perfect, thanks
# [20:25] <bent> thank you!
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# [20:28] <bjacob> bent: can you run with MOZ_WEBGL_FORCE_OPENGL=1 and webgl.force-enabled and show me the about:support?
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# [20:28] <bjacob> oh wait
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# [20:29] <bjacob> only MOZ_WEBGL_FORCE_OPENGL=1
# [20:29] <bjacob> no webgl.force-enabled
# [20:29] <bent> ok, one sec
# [20:29] <mbrubeck> dao: Looks like something is crashing on inbound...
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# [20:29] <gavin> mutt seems to be doing better
# [20:29] <gavin> Fetching message headers... [1100/126680]
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# [20:30] <jhammel> heh, i was semi joking but...it is a nice client :) if you like CLI
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# [20:31] <bjacob> bent: also, is this a recent regression? it would make sense for it to be a regression from bug 713369
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# [20:31] <bent> bjacob, i don't think this is recent
# [20:31] <bent> i've never had webgl
# [20:31] <bent> afaik
# [20:32] <bjacob> ok
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# [20:33] <bent> bjacob, http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1543865
# [20:33] <bent> intel
# [20:33] <bent> but no angle
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# [20:34] <bjacob> argh... that means that it's using Intel for OpenGL :/
# [20:34] <bent> woo
# [20:34] <bent> and that crashed instantly
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# [20:34] <bjacob> yep
# [20:34] <bent> when i went to a webgl site
# [20:35] <bjacob> bent: if OpenGL doesn't switch on the discrete GPU, i dont know what to do. reading the document.
# [20:36] <bent> bjacob, surely we have a contact at nvidia we could email?
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# [20:36] <bjacob> bent: we do. will cc him on this bug.
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# [20:38] <dao> mbrubeck: seems to be caused by 6cb9adc02c12
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# [20:40] <bent> bjacob, if i use that env variable, and select the high performance option in nvidia control panel (not auto-select) then it works correctly
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# [20:40] <azakai> is it better to do 100 XHRs, or to do a single XHR of a single big file? (assuming i have a simple js way to split it up after receiving etc.) does the browser handle tons of simultaneous XHRs well?
# [20:40] <bent> bjacob, WebGL RendererNVIDIA Corporation -- Quadro 2000M/PCI/SSE2 -- 4.1.0
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# [20:40] <bjacob> bent: thanks for that info. the question is how can we programatically select that option in gecko code
# [20:40] <bent> right
# [20:40] <NeilAway> there are no zip releases of Firefox any more are there?
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# [20:41] <Mook_as> NeilAway: for win32, correct; unpacking the full update mar _might_ be close enough though?
# [20:41] <bjacob> bent: i have a patch to automatically choose opengl when optimus is detected
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# [20:42] <bent> ok
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# [20:42] <NeilAway> Mook_as: that would involve software installation, which would defeat the point of using a zip...
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# [20:43] <Mossop> Wow, is it just impossible to do universal builds from OSX Lion?
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# [20:44] <gavin> Mossop: the new mac builders run lion afaik, so I presume releng figured out how to do it?
# [20:45] <Mossop> Maybe they use an old version of Xcode?
# [20:45] <jbuck> azakai: single XHR for sure
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# [20:45] <gavin> Mossop: ask jhford
# [20:45] <askalski> hi, can anybody help me?
# [20:46] <azakai> jbuck: thanks, i will do that then
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# [20:46] <askalski> I can't compile on windows, and I really need it now
# [20:46] <jbuck> browser is limited to... 8 simultaneous connections?
# [20:46] <jbuck> to the same server
# [20:46] <jhford-work> Mossop: we are in fact building 10.5 compatible builds on lion :)
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# [20:46] <Mossop> jhford-work: Do tell how?
# [20:46] <azakai> ok
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# [20:46] <Mossop> I just fresh installed Lion on a laptop and so far I keep hitting problems. Latest is I can't get the 10.5 SDK installed
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# [20:47] <jhford-work> we don't have the 10.5 sdk
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# [20:47] <Mossop> Then how do you build 10.5 compatible builds?
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# [20:47] <jhford-work> espindola figured out how to do that
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# [20:48] <espindola> Mossop: You can build targeting 10.5
# [20:48] <Mook_as> -mmacosx-version-min or something?
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# [20:48] <espindola> with a newer sdk
# [20:48] <espindola> yes
# [20:48] <Mossop> Oh wait, it's the 10.6 SDK it's looking for ... but mine is in a completely different place on my system :s
# [20:48] <espindola> our configure sets the environment variable
# [20:49] <bjacob> bent: that's all i'm able to do for now, waiting for nvidia response.
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# [20:49] <bent> bjacob, thanks!
# [20:50] <bjacob> bent: we've gone through pretty much the same on Mac, except there we could figure how to stay on discrete
# [20:50] <Mossop> I bet because I installed through the damned app store
# [20:50] <mcpherrin> /win 10
# [20:50] <mcpherrin> Oh, sorry.
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# [20:51] <espindola> Do we have an asserting version of nsCOMPtr?
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# [20:52] <Ms2ger> espindola, asserting what?
# [20:52] <@khuey> nsCOMPtr asserts lots of things
# [20:52] <Ms2ger> assert(pony)
# [20:52] <philor> dao: bustage, maybe double bustage
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# [20:53] <philor> or triple, depending on who the crashtest one is
# [20:53] <espindola> my idea is that I have a case where the pointed object should outlive the current one
# [20:53] <espindola> so it would be nice to have a smart pointer that asserted that
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# [20:54] <gavin> mutt might actually only be better at this because it's actually telling me what it's doing
# [20:54] * @khuey doesn't understand what that means
# [20:54] <espindola> something like: when being deleted, check that the pointed object still has another reference
# [20:54] <gavin> it's still taking forever (83700/126680 now)
# [20:54] <espindola> khuey: a -> b
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# [20:54] <espindola> and we "know" that when a is deleted, b still has another reference
# [20:55] <espindola> in a opt build, this could be just a plain pointer
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# [20:55] <espindola> but in a debug build it would be nice to assert it
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# [20:56] <@khuey> if you know that you're never the last reference to something, why do you need to hold a strong reference to it at all?
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# [20:57] <jduell> khuey: if you know for sure, you don't
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# [20:57] <@khuey> jduell: this is a rhetorical question directed at espindola ;-)
# [20:58] <bent> bjacob, what was the solution on mac? dome driver call? or some env variable or something?
# [20:58] <cjones> hey jduell
# [20:58] <espindola> khuey: do we have a weak pointer implementation?
# [20:58] <Waldo> T* ;-)
# [20:58] <jduell> cjones: hey. so B2G is using e10s?
# [20:58] <cjones> yes
# [20:58] <Mossop> khuey: I wonder how much time we waste by ref-counting things from do_GetService
# [20:58] <espindola> Waldo: that doesn't go to null :-)
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# [20:59] <jduell> cjones: ok, I'll reprioritize bug 664163
# [20:59] <Waldo> espindola: if the object in question's being deleted/deallocated, does it matter whether it goes to null? (trees in forests and sounds, and all that)
# [20:59] <cjones> you asked in the other bug and i commented there ...
# [20:59] <@khuey> we do, but it's all XPCOMy
# [20:59] <Ms2ger> espindola, nsIWeakReference
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# [20:59] <Waldo> although, there is nsWeakPtr as well, if you want a pointer which will be nulled out if its referent is destroyed
# [20:59] <Waldo> er, yes, that
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# [21:00] <bjacob> bent: on mac, we stay on discrete GPU as long as we have any PixelFormat object alive without the flag that allows GPU switching. The solution is to create one such dummy object, held by the WebGL context object.
# [21:00] <espindola> Ms2ger: thanks!
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# [21:00] <Ms2ger> Np
# [21:00] <bent> bjacob, neat
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# [21:00] <bent> bjacob, i bet we end up doing something similar on windows
# [21:01] <bjacob> yes, probably
# [21:01] <@khuey> jlebar|mac: ping?
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# [21:02] <ddahl> khuey: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=665057#c57
# [21:02] <ddahl> i should have asked for a feedback req
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# [21:07] <sourabh912> jaws:hi
# [21:08] <jaws> sourabh912: hey
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# [21:08] <givanica> hy. for GSoC with version of the browser should i download, Hg repository ...
# [21:09] <jaws> givanica: mozilla-central
# [21:09] <Mossop> All development work happens in the mozilla-central repository
# [21:09] <givanica> thx
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# [21:09] <sourabh912> jaws:How will we use javascript to implement the clock? i think this can be done by using "timers".
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# [21:10] <jaws> sourabh912: the main focus should be first how to implement the theme, we'll leave the clock/widget work until the end if there is time left
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# [21:11] <blassey> cjones: meeting ping
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# [21:11] <cjones> emailed
# [21:11] <blassey> my vidyo room
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# [21:12] <cjones> be there in 5
# [21:12] <cjones> ok
# [21:12] <cjones> yeah that's easier
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# [21:12] <sourabh912> jaws:ok
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# [21:13] <givanica> jaws: about that , the svg, images, or what format are those, that must be used for the theme, are they already created or should we make them too ...
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# [21:14] <cjones> blassey, slience
# [21:14] <jaws> givanica: you won't have to create the images. they'll likely either be PNG or created using CSS like box-shadow and border-radius
# [21:14] <ericjung> givanica: if the images are SVG, you can change the DOM of the SVG to change the clock
# [21:15] <blassey> cjones x92, conf# 9312
# [21:15] <blassey> my bad
# [21:15] <blassey> gave you the wrong number
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# [21:16] <NeilAway> paul: can't get browserquest to work in chrome either :-(
# [21:17] <givanica> jaws: sorry, i didn't realize that all the icons are the same - that are used right know... that part about the css I knaw
# [21:17] <Ms2ger> NeilAway, isn't this part of our efforts to make Chrome look bad, then?
# [21:17] <jaws> np
# [21:17] <NeilAway> Ms2ger: given that I tried and failed miserably in Firefox...
# [21:18] <biesi> someone said it's supposed to work in chrome
# [21:18] <Ms2ger> Well, we also love making ourselves look bad
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# [21:19] <givanica> jaws: so all we get right now, is just that image, any other information about what effects are needed, additional chrome overlays , how menu's should appear ...
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# [21:21] <Waldo> it worked in chrome a bit ago during beta-testing
# [21:21] <jaws> givanica: i'll write up a blog post today/tonight that goes through more details of the project
# [21:21] <Waldo> didn't try the final version in chrome, tho
# [21:22] <jaws> comments on reddit made it sound like it worked in all browsers
# [21:22] <@khuey> heh
# [21:22] <@khuey> never trust reddit
# [21:22] <jaws> http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/rfvd7/browserquest_an_mmo_using_html5_websockets_and/c45hj39
# [21:22] <givanica> jaws: thanks, it should be really helpful
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# [21:26] <paul> NeilAway: it's supposed to work everywhere (besides some problems with IE10)
# [21:29] <Ms2ger> Ah, but timing
# [21:29] <NeilAway> paul: well, I've tried Firefox and chrome... what do you recommend I try next?
# [21:29] <Ms2ger> Opera
# [21:30] <paul> NeilAway: I don't understand. glandium, you and bz all have the same problem
# [21:30] <paul> NeilAway: and we got some other reports. But not a lot
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# [21:45] <Callek> NeilAway: fennec
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# [21:46] <Callek> KaiRo: ooo btw, I looked into it last night, I can't install Fennec on B&N's Nook without "rooting" the device.... We would have to be available via the Nook store
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# [21:47] <NeilAway> Callek: for windows xp?
# [21:47] <Callek> APK does bring up a dialog of two different ways to try installing, both fail, and the apk file doesn't even appear on the device as still there after I try to install, so its probably some sort of security thing (security by obscurity)
# [21:47] <KaiRo> Callek: interesting - sounds like something to bring up with the mobile team
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# [21:48] <Callek> yea I probably will soonish, just mentioning since you suggested that ADU/Crashes make it seem like it was possible
# [21:48] <Callek> ;-)
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# [21:48] <Callek> (which it is, but only if you void warranty/do hackish/geekish things to it)
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# [21:51] <NeilAway> since when did setting a property that has only a getter stop being an error?
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# [21:52] <@bz> NeilAway: per spec it's not an error except in strinct mode
# [21:52] <@bz> NeilAway: so since we fixed the spec bug, I think
# [21:52] <@bz> s/strinct/strict/
# [21:53] <NeilAway> bz: so, browserquest setting lots of properties that have only getters is probably not the reason it won't play for me?
# [21:53] <avih> tn: re your bug 728153 (smooth scroll only starts after 16ms), can be solved pretty simply by setting the start time to now-16ms. regardless of the refresh driver. want me to post a patch?
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# [21:54] <avih> tn: and triggering a one-shot of 0ms for the first time.
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# [21:56] <tn> avih, which makes the code more complicated, and if we are just going to get rid of that code anyway, why bother?
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# [21:57] <tn> avih, using the refresh driver isnt hard to do
# [21:58] <avih> tn: merely 2-3 lines changes IMO, and that's it. and it seems no one takes the refresh driver bug..
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# [21:59] <avih> tn: also, the refresh driver is far from perfect too, since it uses timers itself.
# [21:59] <avih> (instead of somehow hooking up to vsync/paints)
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# [22:00] <NeilAway> ok, well I now have a third failure mode
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# [22:00] <NeilAway> this browser appears to have connected, but I just get the background, and no sprites
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# [22:03] <tn> avih, right now we know we want to use the refresh driver, if we have a different solution we can look at that, but i haven't heard one yet, and using the refresh driver doesn't prevent that
# [22:04] <tn> avih, 716793 is an example of switching something from its own event to using the refresh driver
# [22:05] <avih> tn: the refresh driver approach is, of course, generally better, but 1: no one has taken it for a while and 2: it's dead easy to solve with the approach i suggested.
# [22:05] <tn> avih, pretty easy to solve it with the refresh driver too
# [22:05] <avih> tn: regardless, i'll just post my thoughts at that bug, and leave it be.
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# [22:06] <avih> tn: fwiw, even if we added a oneshot right after handling the event, it would still start after 16ms, because position (now+0) == no movement started anyway
# [22:07] <tn> avih, yes, i've been thinking where we should 'start' the animation
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# [22:07] <avih> tn: so the "now-16ms" approach might be, afterall, the correct solution for tis problem
# [22:08] <i01000001> I am using js-ctypes to call functions from my shared lib.. the C code in lib needs access a sqlite DB in profile directory.. right now I am compiling the whole sqlite source into my shared library which is adding burden of extra 300KB.. I want to know is there a way to use internal sqlite functions in Firefox to avoid extra burden ?
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# [22:10] <tn> avih, yeah, something like that
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# [22:10] <Mook_as> i01000001: poking into sqlite dbs that firefox may otherwise be using (assuming that's what you're doing; it's unclear) may not be a good idea?
# [22:11] <avih> tn: i'll just post my thoughts at that bug
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# [22:13] <i01000001> Mook_as: I can understand.. but that DB is specific to my extension and I want to only read.. the writing part is being handled within normal JS.. I read on sqlite docs that multiple processes can read.. only write should be a prob.. let me knw if I understood it wrong !
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# [22:18] <ericjung> i01000001: use https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Storage
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# [22:19] <Mossop> jhford: Which version of Xcode do the OSX Lion builders use?
# [22:19] <jhford> 4.1
# [22:20] <Mossop> Ok, I'll give up trying with 4.3 then
# [22:20] <i01000001> ericjung: That option would mean a C++ based extension.. right ? but my code is in a shared library.. are you suggesting me to move it into a C++ extension ? won't that need a re-compilation with every release ?
# [22:21] <i01000001> ericjung: with js-ctypes I am at safe distance from that re-compilation thing.. did I get you right ?
# [22:23] <ericjung> i01000001: if you want to use firefox interfaces, you should be an extension (either C++ or JS or whatever), yes.
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# [22:23] <ericjung> i01000001: you should be running within the firefox process, IOW
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# [22:25] <i01000001> ericjung: Yes, I am a JS extension which is calling the shared lib thru js-ctypes.. the lib instantiates a web server in separate thread but in same Firefox process.. now this webserver needs to respond with specific details stored within the sqlite DB
# [22:26] <i01000001> ericjung: right now I am doing it by having the whole sqlite lib within my shared lib.. just want to know if there is a way I can avoid that and speak to Firefox internals from the shared lib ?
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# [22:29] <Mook_as> i01000001: sounds like you want some sort of JS to talk to your shared lib (on the main thread), instead? do the queries on the JS side and send the results back.
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# [22:29] <NeilAway> smaug: do mouseover events fire for every move?
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# [22:32] <@smaug> NeilAway: no
# [22:32] <@smaug> you want mousemove
# [22:32] <NeilAway> smaug: oh wait a second
# [22:33] <@smaug> or have you found a bug :)
# [22:33] <i01000001> Mook_as: let me explain u.. the extension enables a webserver on every machine running firefox.. then each machine tries to find out other machines running the same web server.. kind of peer discovery.. now JS creates a XmlHttpRequest to webserver in shared lib.. and webserver responds with alive HTTP based msg
# [22:33] <i01000001> so u r right the JS talks to shared lib.. but both are on diff machines..
# [22:33] <NeilAway> smaug: this app is rewriting the innerHTML of the element
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# [22:33] <NeilAway> smaug: so, when you move the mouse, it sees that it's over a different node, since the mouseover blew away the old node
# [22:34] <@smaug> sounds right
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# [22:34] <ericjung> i01000001: why not implement the webserver is JS instead of a shared lib
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# [22:37] <i01000001> actually I did not want to implement.. just wanted to use something existing.. all JS implementation either were complex or did not work with latest version of firefox.. moreover the web server half of the extension will also do hashing of files and serve regular HTML pages.. micro web apps.. which I think will take a toll in case of JS version
# [22:37] <NeilAway> smaug: so what's the easy way to do mouseover for the target but not any of its children?
# [22:37] <i01000001> ericjung: actually I did not want to implement.. just wanted to use something existing.. all JS implementation either were complex or did not work with latest version of firefox.. moreover the web server half of the extension will also do hashing of files and serve regular HTML pages.. micro web apps.. which I think will take a toll in case of JS version
# [22:38] <ericjung> i01000001: ok
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# [22:38] <ericjung> i01000001: but if the shared lib and JS are in different processes and on different machines, you need some kind of remote IPC/RPC communication
# [22:38] <avih> tn: i think my suggestion at the last paragraph is optimal and cannot be improved (from responsiveness POV)
# [22:39] <ericjung> i01000001: there are lots of those to choose from
# [22:39] <@smaug> NeilAway: er, hmm
# [22:39] <@smaug> what?
# [22:39] <NeilAway> smaug: was that for me?
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# [22:39] <ddahl> khuey: classic errors: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1544034
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# [22:39] <ericjung> i01000001: and no, you won't be able to use the interface i pointed to from the shared lib (directly)
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# [22:39] <@smaug> NeilAway: yes
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# [22:40] <@smaug> NeilAway: I'm not sure what you're asking
# [22:40] <ddahl> khuey: I cannever seem to get the module to link because of the Module constructor gunk or whatever
# [22:40] <NeilAway> smaug: so, in CSS, you can just use div:hover and it will change whatever it needs based on whether the mouse is over the div or not
# [22:40] <NeilAway> smaug: but how would you determine that the mouse is only moving from out to over the div itself without caring about child nodes
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# [22:41] <@bz> NeilAway: mouseenter/mouseleave events?
# [22:41] <i01000001> ericjung: for that reason only.. I am running a webserver in shared lib half of it... and JS is interacting with HTTP request/ responses.. so that I can keep things simple.. and extension can keep evolving without changing much of shared lib or JS part
# [22:41] <NeilAway> bz: aha!
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# [22:41] <@bz> NeilAway: pretty new in Gecko, but if you don't need it for old Geckos.....
# [22:41] <@smaug> NeilAway: I guess you want mouseenter
# [22:41] <NeilAway> smaug: yeah, thanks
# [22:42] * NeilAway thanks bz too
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# [22:42] <@smaug> you can achieve the same with mouseover
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# [22:42] <@smaug> just check the parent chain
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# [22:43] <tn> avih, sounds good, we should implement something like that
# [22:43] <Ms2ger> What's that, Gecko2? :)
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# [22:45] <i01000001> ericjung: was I able to make myself clear ? are you there ? any hint on my initial question about interacting with Firefox internals from the shared lib ?
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# [22:46] <@khuey> ddahl: yeah XPCOM objects' ctors can't take arguments
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# [22:46] <Mook_as> but they can have .init methods on them (useful for JS callers using Components.Constructor)
# [22:47] <ericjung> i01000001: i am here
# [22:47] <@bz> or more precisely objects you want to create via createInstance need to have no-argument constructors
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# [22:48] <Ms2ger> Or even, bah, XPCOM
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# [22:48] <biesi> you could make a service that serves as a factory for your objects
# [22:49] <ddahl> ok, cool
# [22:49] <i01000001> ericjung: since the webserver and Firefox are in same process just in diff threads.. does that open a possibility for some kind of interactions ?
# [22:49] <ddahl> in the previous patch the constructor was called in native code only
# [22:49] <Ms2ger> biesi, yay, document.implementation.createDocument() :)
# [22:49] <ericjung> i01000001: you told me they are on different machines
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# [22:52] <i01000001> ericjung: see the webserver is running within Firefox on two different machines.. same is the case with JS which can be considered as webclient.. now webclient of one machine interacts with webserver of other machine.. asking questions for which answers reside in sqlite DB
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# [22:53] <i01000001> now the webserver queries DB on the same machine while running within Firefox process
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# [22:53] <ericjung> i01000001: sounds like a solution to me if you are unwilling to make everything JS
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# [22:54] <ericjung> i01000001: (or, at least, a native C++ extension)
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# [22:54] <ericjung> i01000001: i don't really have anything else to say on this, sorry. perhaps someone else does.
# [22:54] <doktor5000> anyone knows if Kev Needham is around?
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# [22:58] <davidb> who handles blacklisting bugs?
# [22:59] <Mook_as> doktor5000: when he is, he's known as "kev". I don't know which channels he hangs out in.
# [22:59] <davidb> blocklisting
# [22:59] <i01000001> ericjung: I initially planned for C++ extension only but I was thrashed like hell on other channels as if I was insane :D anyway I will wait to see if someone else has something to say :) thanks for giving time :)
# [22:59] <@khuey> davidb: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Blocklisting#How_to_request_a_block
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# [23:00] <davidb> khuey: that's more than I wanted :)
# [23:00] <Mook_as> i01000001: this seems more appropriate for #extdev, but... JS talks to Places/Storage/whatever, it talks to (same process) C++ http server, that talks to whoever it wants?
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# [23:00] <doktor5000> Mook_as: thanks, just mailed him via his web site :)
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# [23:00] <ericjung> Mook_as: that's the 2nd time you've said that to him :)
# [23:01] <ericjung> Mook_as: and he's not picking up and running with it
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# [23:02] <Mook_as> ah, I just thought my first time was unclear (he thought the JS was all on the out-of-process end). I'm shutting up now, though ;)
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# [23:04] <ericjung> Mook_as: no need to quiet down on my behalf. perhaps i01000001 wants more on it.
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# [23:04] <ericjung> Mook_as: it's just bytes over the wire.
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# [23:04] <mcsmurf> hrm, Gecko needs quite a lot of memory lately (and/or Session Restore in SeaMonkey is broken (unlikely :P))
# [23:04] <mcsmurf> trying to restore a session with ~30 tabs
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# [23:05] <hub> mcsmurf: I do that all the time
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# [23:05] <mcsmurf> yeah, not sure what's wrong this time
# [23:05] <mcsmurf> insane memory usage on restore
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# [23:05] <ericjung> mcsmurf: that's what she said?
# [23:05] <mcsmurf> the "other" memory usage in task manager (not sure what it's called)
# [23:06] <mcsmurf> is at about ~20MB
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# [23:06] <avih> tn: i think you're not correct. with the refresh driver hookup, you would still have vsync-interval/2 on average between the scroll trigger and firstpage move. with current approach you have 6ms + vsync/2, and with the added 0ms oneshot, u get vsync/2 till first page move, identical to refresh driver hook.
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# [23:07] <ericjung> i01000001: maybe people in #extdev have more ideas for you. i'd try there.
# [23:07] <avih> 16ms+vsync/2 *
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# [23:07] <tn> avih, i'm not talking about vsync
# [23:08] <tn> avih, i am talking about delay between smooth scroll timer firing and refresh driver
# [23:08] <avih> tn: i understand
# [23:08] <tn> if they are the same there is no delay
# [23:08] <avih> when i say vsync, i mean refresh driver trigger, because that's what it represents, ultimately
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# [23:09] <tn> avih, i don't know exactly how vsync works, but i don't think there is any guarantee they are the same or similar or even ultimately so
# [23:10] <avih> tn: well, et's leave it aside then, just s/vsync/refresh-trigger/
# [23:10] <mcsmurf> huh, what's stored in sessionrestore.json I thought it only stores tabs/URLs?
# [23:10] <mcsmurf> as I see a lot of HTML in there
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# [23:10] <i01000001> Mook_as: you were right.. I did not get what you said then.. I just read it once more.. but feels like I am wasting your and others time :) so would end it here :) ericjung: have tried #extdev
# [23:10] <Ms2ger> mcsmurf, form data?
# [23:10] <zpao> mcsmurf: could be hitting a sessionstorage issues
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# [23:11] <zpao> some sites (google search) will store big chunks of html in there
# [23:11] <avih> tn: from scroll trigger to first refresh trigger is refresh/2 on average, which is the same as with the oneshot of 0ms.
# [23:11] <mcsmurf> I see
# [23:11] <mcsmurf> my sessionrestore.js is 8MB
# [23:11] <mcsmurf> not sure if that is much
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# [23:11] <avih> tn to first page move*
# [23:11] <mcsmurf> +on
# [23:11] <zpao> mcsmurf: that's very big
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# [23:12] <zpao> i've seen bigger, but still
# [23:12] <jhammel> twss
# [23:12] <Mossop> Wow, so the Xcode installer you download from apple installs an installer for Xcode...
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# [23:12] <mcsmurf> well, I'll store it somewhere else for later analysis ;)
# [23:12] <ddahl> Mossop: makes perfect sense
# [23:13] <Mossop> They should have called it Xcode installer installer
# [23:13] <ddahl> how else can you install an installer?
# [23:13] <ddahl> lulz
# [23:13] <Mossop> I wonder how I uninstall the installer from my machine
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# [23:13] <mcsmurf> with an compiler compiler
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# [23:13] <jhammel> Mossop: you have to download the uninstaller
# [23:13] <mcsmurf> which then compiles an installer
# [23:13] <jhammel> unfortunately, there is no uninstaller for the uninstaller
# [23:13] <ddahl> really, Apple has reached the absurdity of Microsoft in its day
# [23:13] <tn> avih, the reason i left that comment is that your long comment made it shound like your approach had "we can start moving the page immediately, with zero deterioration in smoothness, and with added responsiveness of 16ms" whereas refresh driver approach had "the gained responsiveness would average 1/2 of refresh driver intervals" which makes it sound like the refresh driver approach is inferior
# [23:13] <jhammel> ddahl: but sexier! :P
# [23:14] <ddahl> jhammel: no doubt
# [23:14] <tn> avih, because the refresh driver is usually 17ms
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# [23:14] <avih> tn: oh, i wasn't insinuating that at all..
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# [23:14] <avih> i can see it can sound that way,
# [23:14] <tn> avih, good. i think we agree. we don't need to argue. someone just needs to code.
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# [23:14] <Ms2ger> ddahl, only more evil
# [23:14] <avih> heh
# [23:15] <sfink> I just added the 15th parameter to a method signature. Do I get a badge?
# [23:15] <ddahl> Ms2ger: sadly, true
# [23:15] <@bz> sfink: time for a struct argument?
# [23:15] <sfink> nope, it's OpenGL, they like it like that
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# [23:15] <@bz> sfink: heh
# [23:15] <mbrubeck> rhelmer: I get an NFS error when using "vagrant up" with your TBPL Vagrantfile from bug 682591: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1544113
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# [23:16] <rhelmer> mbrubeck: what OS?
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# [23:16] <mbrubeck> rhelmer: Debian "testing" host
# [23:16] <rhelmer> mbrubeck: quick fix is to set :nfs false in Vagrantfile
# [23:16] <rhelmer> mbrubeck: do you have nfs-server installed?
# [23:17] <mbrubeck> rhelmer: Hmm, probably not.
# [23:17] <avih> tn: my bottom line is that the 0ms oneshot will not be worse than refresh driver. the gained advantage of 16ms is only because we start with something bad. the refresh approach is better, so we can only improve it in refresh/2. my point was that we can improve the refresh approach too if we start "in the past"
# [23:17] <rhelmer> mbrubeck: the host acts as nfs server and vm as client
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# [23:17] <mbrubeck> okay, installing nfs-server in the host. thanks.
# [23:17] <rhelmer> mbrubeck: setting nfs false in Vagrantfile uses VirtualBox sharing, which is pretty slow but probably won't matter much for tbpl tbh
# [23:17] <rhelmer> mbrubeck: cool
# [23:18] <ehsan_> dbaron: is nsIFrame::GetContainingBlock the right call for getting the CB for a frame outside of the reflow process?
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# [23:19] <@dbaron> ehsan_, yes, see how nsHTMLReflowState::InitCBReflowState sets up mCBReflowState
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# [23:20] <@dbaron> ehsan_, though probably we should fix the thing that function has for inner table frames to be in nsIFrame::GetContainingBlock
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# [23:21] <ehsan_> dbaron: what do you meam?
# [23:21] <tn> avih, yes, the refresh driver approach alone isn't the perfect solution to this problem. it improves it.
# [23:21] <ehsan_> dbaron: also, fwiw, it seems like nsHTMLReflowState::InitAbsoluteConstraints depends on the reflow state chain
# [23:21] <rhelmer> mbrubeck: this has the basic info about vagrant and nfs http://vagrantup.com/docs/nfs.html
# [23:21] <ehsan_> so I'm not sure how practical it is to do its work outside of reflow :(
# [23:21] <avih> tn: that's the only thing i was saying regarding it. wasn't comparing it with the other approach.
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# [23:21] <@dbaron> ehsan_, if that one thing were in nsIFrame::GetContaninigBlock (which I don't see why it couldn't be), then it would be the right thing for getting a cb
# [23:21] <jorendorff> Is extensions/pref/autoconfig Proxy Auto-Config?
# [23:22] <tn> avih, ok, i didn't write that down anywhere, but i was aware of it already.
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# [23:22] <@dbaron> ehsan_, where is the dependency on the reflow state change?
# [23:22] <@dbaron> chain
# [23:22] <ddahl> khuey: so the new failure is /home/ddahl/code/moz/mozilla-valgrind/src/security/manager/ssl/src/nsNSSModule.cpp:249: undefined reference to `nsIdentityServiceKeyPair::nsIdentityServiceKeyPair()' - line 249 is NS_NSS_GENERIC_FACTORY_CONSTRUCTOR(nssEnsure, nsIdentityServiceKeyPair)
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# [23:22] <mbrubeck> rhelmer: It's working now! This is awesome, thanks.
# [23:22] <avih> tn: cool :)
# [23:23] <avih> tn: u intend to take it? otherwise i might have a look at it.
# [23:23] <rhelmer> mbrubeck: great!
# [23:23] <ddahl> hmmm
# [23:23] <ehsan_> dbaron: nsHTMLReflowState::GetHypotheticalBoxContainer
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# [23:24] <@dbaron> ehsan_, it has codepaths for in-reflow andnot-in-reflow
# [23:24] <@khuey> ddahl: isn't that the old error?
# [23:24] <ehsan_> right
# [23:24] <ehsan_> well
# [23:24] <ddahl> khuey: it was during linking
# [23:24] <ehsan_> the use of the parentReflowState member confused me
# [23:24] <ddahl> it is similar
# [23:24] <ehsan_> so let's see what I can do
# [23:25] <ddahl> khuey: i did forget to add the cpp file to the Makefile
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# [23:25] <jaws> vladan: have you heard of the SPS profiler taking a long time to analyze results ( > 10 minutes)
# [23:25] <tn> avih, feel free to take it. i'm not working on it right now.
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# [23:26] <avih> tn: i'll have a look at it, haven't used observers before.. so i have a bit of a learning curve.
# [23:26] <vladan> jaws: haven't heard of that, but I'm not really the SPS guy. BenWa would know more about that. Which platform are you running on?
# [23:26] <@khuey> ddahl: so you still have the same problem I told you you have last time?
# [23:26] <ddahl> khuey: no, this is different
# [23:26] <BenWa> jaws: We've landed huge improvements to the UI
# [23:26] <jaws> BenWa: i'm on windows
# [23:27] <jaws> vladan: ^
# [23:27] <ddahl> i think there are things that nsNSSComponent provided that I have yet to add to the new source files
# [23:27] <tn> avih, ok, well i'm not working on it now. if i intend to start on it i'll make sure to ask if you still want it.
# [23:27] <BenWa> Then it shouldn't be trying to symbolicate the data (yet)
# [23:27] <BenWa> is it hung?
# [23:27] <jaws> BenWa: i started the profiler, opened a website, stopped the profiler, then clicked analyze and it is just sitting there at a progress bar
# [23:27] <vladan> jaws: it's probably not the symbolication stuff I added (very) recently
# [23:27] <BenWa> so likely it hit a JS error
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# [23:28] <@khuey> ddahl: if nsIdentityServiceKeyPair is supposed to be constructible through XPCOM, the C++ class needs a constructor that takes no arguments
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# [23:28] <vladan> jaws: run firefox with the -console option and check the JavaScript error console
# [23:28] <ddahl> khuey: yeah I fixed that
# [23:28] <ddahl> khuey: something else is not right
# [23:28] <ddahl> i should be able to get a better clue in a few minutes
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# [23:29] <@khuey> ddahl: does nsNSSModule include the header for your thing?
# [23:30] <ddahl> khuey: yep
# [23:30] <@khuey> ok so that error means that this constructor doesn't exist ...
# [23:30] <jaws> vladan: no errors in the Error Console related to the add-on. the bash console has a lot of noise in it. i'll try to restart and see if i notice anything
# [23:30] <MattN> Should the Win64 PGO brokenness on inbound stop me from pushing?
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# [23:30] <RyanVM> hooboy, a series of parser patches that don't appear to have ever gone on Try
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# [23:32] <jaws> vladan, BenWa: i'm not seeing any js errors
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# [23:33] <BenWa> jaws: Have you tried toggling the feature in the extension?
# [23:33] <BenWa> jaws: close the tab thats froozen, disable stackwalking, and try again
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# [23:33] <jaws> ok i'll try that
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# [23:34] <jaws> should i stop the profiler before analyzing?
# [23:34] <jaws> BenWa: ^
# [23:34] <BenWa> jaws: no
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# [23:35] <jaws> whoops, ok maybe that's why it's been failing
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# [23:36] <jaws> BenWa: progress...: Could not connect to symbolication server at http://127.0.0.1:8000. Please verify that you are connected to the Internet.
# [23:36] <jaws> do i have to run the symbolication server locally? i built with --enable-profiling
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# [23:36] <jaws> oh, i hit OK and now i'm seeing something :)
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# [23:40] <zpao> glandium: are there any known issues with the about startup extension? or recently fixed but not on AMO? (specifically, about:startup not being registerd)
# [23:40] <avih> tn: looking at the bug u pointed to (that uses refresh driver hookup), if mPresShell!=0, does it guarantee that mPresShell->GetPresContext()->RefreshDriver() is valid and non 0?
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# [23:43] <tn> avih, i think you can usually make that assumption
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# [23:44] <jaws> avih: from my understanding, if a function name has Get, then it could return null, but if it doesn't then it won't return null
# [23:44] <jaws> in other words, Get implies that null may be returned
# [23:45] <avih> jaws: which means i cannot assume it's guaranteed to be valid...
# [23:45] <jaws> avih: tn has more experience in this code then i do, so you should take his words over mine
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# [23:46] <avih> jaws: his words: "usually yes" ;)
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# [23:46] <avih> i prefer to err on the safe side, checking null is cheap ;)
# [23:46] <jaws> me too, much cheaper than a crash :)
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# [23:49] <zpao> glandium: figured it out... you should push 0.1.10 to AMO (thanks!)
# [23:49] <RyanVM> *sigh*
# [23:49] <RyanVM> I'm doing a pgo build and I'm getting this on the second pass (after profiling)
# [23:49] <RyanVM> No rule to make target '../../../xpcom/idl-parser/xpidllex.py'
# [23:49] <RyanVM> i deleted all .pyc files before starting the build
# [23:50] <mcsmurf> hehehe
# [23:50] <RyanVM> not sure what more I can do
# [23:50] <RyanVM> delete them all again while it's profilng?
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# [23:50] <mcsmurf> I think I've seen that error
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# [23:51] <mcsmurf> maybe I'll even remember the solution
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# [23:52] <mcsmurf> RyanVM: delete during profile is probably a good workaround..
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# [23:53] <mcsmurf> I wonder what the official build machines do?
# [23:53] <mcsmurf> to prevent this
# [23:53] <RyanVM> i don't think it typically happens this frequently for others
# [23:53] <RyanVM> I have no idea why it hits me so regularly
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# [23:56] <mcsmurf> RyanVM: I also had to delete two .py files in that folder a few days ago, but that was because of a different error message
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# [23:56] <mcsmurf> (xpidlyacc.py and xpidllex.py)
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# [23:57] <avih> jaws: btw, even is such null check succeeds, it can still fail after a context switch ;)
# [23:57] <avih> even if*
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